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Why are PC hardware manufacturers incapable of making console sized cases?

The Stealth Fox

Junior Member
Elite 130 pics

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I don't feel like cracking it open and showing the guts right now.

Specs

CM Elite 130 case.
Seasonic 620W power supply
Gigabyte Z97N wifi
I5 4690k
MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
8 gb of DDR3 1333 ram (I know, it's slow, will upgrade)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 (from 2011 build) 1 TB
Samsung 850 EVO 512 GB SSD
Pioneer DVD drive

It's pretty much my previous tower converted to an ITX build. The main changes I had to make were case and MOBO, everything else I could keep.

Now when I bring it downstairs, I can go completely wireless (well except for the PSU plug and HDMI). My brother gave me his logitech denuvo keyboard bluetooth recharageable. And I have the Xbox one controller with win 10 dongle. And I have a logitech G700s wireless recharageble mouse that can go wired also.
 

orochi91

Member
there are loads of small cases but it can be awkward to get everything to fit and if you're building a gaming PC you want good airflow. that's why most people just stick to m/ATX size.

Yea, I want a small form factor, but don't wanna give up my ATX board or Kraken x60 water cooler :/
 
Elite 130 pics





I don't feel like cracking it open and showing the guts right now.

Specs

CM Elite 130 case.
Seasonic 620W power supply
Gigabyte Z97N wifi
I5 4690k
MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
8 gb of DDR3 1333 ram (I know, it's slow, will upgrade)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 (from 2011 build) 1 TB
Samsung 850 EVO 512 GB SSD
Pioneer DVD drive

It's pretty much my previous tower converted to an ITX build. The main changes I had to make were case and MOBO, everything else I could keep.
Ugh that mess of wires.
 

Skyzard

Banned
Probably get hot when cranked up...I'd rather get a nice big case and find a place for it out of the way. They're pretty quiet now anyway. But screw heat.
 
Glad people have posted good examples. Fractal's Node 202 is my fav in this area but I haven't bee able to do a full build in one yet. I'm also a sucker for Fractal's aesthetic (<3 my Define R4). It will probably be my choice when I get around to it.

That Zaber Sentry is really pretty though. Hope it comes in black!
 

Gaogaogao

Member
OP is a little too picky what his box looks like

I haven't been following super close, the the Falcon Northwest Tiki sounds like the best fit (though its gonna cost you).
 
Yea, I want a small form factor, but don't wanna give up my ATX board or Kraken x60 water cooler :/

just gonna shill the rvz02 again. it's a fanless case save for the heatsink and GPU - it uses risers to seperate the GPU to the other side both horizontally and vertically. lots of space and lots of breathing room.
 

Nzyme32

Member
As has already been shown, there are some great choices out there, but at the same time I think this a developing area right now with lounge oriented solutions developing. If that keeps going, I'd expect more people to get involved with such form factors. I want something similar for my next build.
 

finalflame

Gold Member
Having done a mITX build in a 250D before (full custom watercooling loop w/ 240mm radiator + 60mm radiator, CPU + GPU blocks), I think 95% of these posts do not show what OP is asking for. Cube cases like the Elite and 250D are not anywhere near as compact as the design of the PS4/XBO. Sony and MS were able to get their specific design/size under control with purpose-built hardware and cooling + years of engineering around specific size/power goals.

Oh, and some of these "thinner" designs do look like oversized VCRs/are just way too big to be considered comparable. Posting something the size/thickness of an old Dell Optiplex doesn't quite fit the bill.

While there are some comparably sized/capable PC cases, they are few and far in between. Which is a shame, because I really wish there was something between the size of my PS4 and XBO that would fit an ITX mobo and a full-sized graphics card (980 Ti), to have a compact gaming PC that fits on the shelf under my TV. Cube designs do not do this well.

I do think the Alpha is an excellent example, though. I want something a bit bigger than that, but around the same design lines and fitting a full-sized GPU.
 

The Stealth Fox

Junior Member
While I agree that we can't get to the size of a console, we aren't too far off right now which is why we show what we can do and how creative we can get.

I mean, if you want a custom built pc that can murder consoles, you are going to have to at least compromise on size a little. I still think it's amazing that we can get something like the RVZ02 and with a similar cost as an ATX build. And with PC users going out and showing people that we have PCs that we can literally turn into consoles in terms of functionality, the drive to make things smaller and more portable makes sense.

My Elite 130 build was driven by the desire to not have to carry a large 20+ lb tower down the stairs when I want to play games with ultra settings on my 1080p plasma. I think I've achieved that goal, but now the RVZ02 scratches that itch to go even smaller and more VCR style rather than cube style. But then I'd have to dump my AIO cooling loop which I bought to fit in this case.
 

Grief.exe

Member
That's about how mine looks. The Seasoninc PSU I have has quite long cables so the build can get a little dirty inside.

Can the SSD really be sitting like that? Is that unsafe?

You can just tape an SSD anywhere you want basically. You are going to want HDD secured down however.
 
nowhere yet. they're planning on doing an indiegogo for the first run to gauge interest and help fund Mass production, and they said they're trying to price it on the lower end of $99 to $150 US.

Ahh damn, I need it in the coming months... :(

Why haven't I seen this picture yet?
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Alienware Alpha OP

It looks nice but I dont wanna pay Alienware premium and be able to fit a 970 in there.
 

jfoul

Member
Decent amount of nice slim options already. We'll probably see even more when the new HBM/14/16nm cards release in 2016. My next build will probably be slim, but I still want water cooling. I might end up going with the Corsair Bulldog for CPU/GPU water cooling.

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Decent amount of nice slim options already. We'll probably see even more when the new HBM/14/16nm cards release in 2016. My next build will probably be slim, but I still want water cooling. I might end up going with the Corsair Bulldog for CPU/GPU water cooling.

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Yes the Corsair Bulldog is another option I'm waiting on, still no release date though. Hopefully it also comes in all black like your picture and not the red gamer edition
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finalflame

Gold Member
Decent amount of nice slim options already. We'll probably see even more when the new HBM/14/16nm cards release in 2016. My next build will probably be slim, but I still want water cooling. I might end up going with the Corsair Bulldog for CPU/GPU water cooling.

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Yes the Corsair Bulldog is another option I'm waiting on, still no release date though. Hopefully it also comes in all black like your picture and not the red gamer edition
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This is kind of what I'm talking about, though. This case looks huge and not sleek/streamlined at all, and I usually like Corsair's offerings (250D as an example, or their whole Obsidian line). This is a far cry from the size/form factor of the PS4 or even XBO.

I wish we could just have more sleek, heavily engineered cases to provide optimal airflow in a size that is no larger than an XBO with a full-sized graphics card.
 

The Stealth Fox

Junior Member
Corsair bulldog

Actually, was complaining about the red, but now I see there's a black version.

We need more SFX 600W power supplies that don't cost double the amount of a standard ATX. It's nice that corsair is about to sell one separately.

Or find a way to to fit a standard ATX fully modular PSU in a VCR style slim look.

Does the silverstone AR06 provide close performance to a hyper 212 EVO in a standard ATX build?
 

TaterTots

Banned
Yeah, this. Even now I regret picking up a mid-sized tower rather than a full tower.

I don't know why you would want to hinder yourself by buying a small chassis.

If you don't mind me asking, which case do you have? I went with the Cooler Master N200. It supports radiators and full size gpu's. My biggest mistake was not saving more for a fully modular psu. It could of helped cable management a lot.
 

CloudNein

Member
I hardly need to bother posting on this website when everybody beats me to the punch.

The bulldog was what I was about to post.

To OP, PC HW manuf. are not incapable at all, that's just silly. They just need to see the desire, the shift in the marketplace. It's coming, really. Right now I'd say it's ramping up. More and more products are coming out.

I myself am going to jump on that bulldog if nothing else comes out and as long as they offer it in chassis only.

Edit: Also, for people looking at the bulldog, the red design is the obsolete one. It's been updated. Only the black one is the current offering. Check their site.
 

Yudoken

Member
Canis Lupis thread, I doubt he's looking for an actual answer.

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My personal favorite is the ncase

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Excellent HTPC cases that would look perfect in a home theater set up.

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I would watercool all of these due to the cramped space and noise requirements, but that's far from necessary.

Canis Lupis is a parody account, right?
 
This is actually very helpful.

One of the things that has put me off of building a gaming PC (what I want is essentially a dedicated console-like computer that I assemble myself) is how intimidating it seems to break into. I am moderately techy, and have a basic understanding of how various components work, but absolutely not enough to understand what I would need, how to make it work with other parts, and how to assemble them properly.

Basically, I lack the confidence.

PC Players really know their stuff. They are fluent in the language and are used to talking to other PC Players who also have a really strong grasp on components and construction. So when I, like a curious child, enter PC threads, it's a really esoteric environment.

Even a lot of beginner guides I've read seem to assume more knowledge of the reader than I apparently have.

I don't have the money to build a PC right now, and I am happy with my PS4. But I have had a working list of PC games I've wanted to play, and have been forward-thinking enough to build a Steam library, because eventually I'm going to make the leap to learn everything I need to know and get started on my own machine.

That's why I'm here looking at cases. Cases, in theory, are easy to understand. I know that things go in them. [*thumbs up*]

Right. It's actually super easy mate and you won't have any issues if your doing a fresh build.

So you buy all your bare minimum parts.

Motherboard
Processor
Graphics Card
Hard Drive
RAM
Case
Power Supply

The only parts that need to be compatible will be Motherboard, Processor and RAM. Start by looking at Processors and picking one that you like the look of, The processor will have a "socket type" all this really mean is that it will only fit in the socket on specific motherboards so now you pick a motherboard that it will fit with. Now you have those look at what RAM the motherboard supports and grab a few sticks to get your desired RAM specs.

Now you need a graphics card, In some rare circumstances you will need to make sure your motherboard has the right slot for the graphics card but any modern motherboard should hold any modern card.

With your card chosen you now have a rough idea of what power supply you will need, get an appropriate one. websites like PCpartpicker will calculate your power supply requirements.

Now get a hard drive of your desired size and a case that fits your motherboard size and you are good to go.

When it comes to building it's super easy. You unbox your motherboard and processor (which will come with a cooling fan). place the processor in the correct slot on your motherboard careful not to bend any pins. It's essentially just put this square in this square, youtube is full of tutorials and the processor and motherboard has an arrow in a specific corner to align them correctly. The fan just slots over the top and pops into a few little holes. The fan has a wire that goes into a CASE FAN port on the motherboard close to the processor.

Then screw your motherboard and power supply into your case. This is basically line up the holes and screw them in. Connect the wires from all the case buttons to the corresponding slots on the motherboard. Both the motherboard and the wires are labeled and again a video on youtube will be handy should you need it. Connect the power supply to your motherboard.

Graphics card will likely only fit in one slot so put it in making sure to remove the small bit of cover on the back of the case so your ports are visible from the outside. Connect another cable from the power supply to the graphics card should you need to.

RAM slots into the slots. It can only fit one way. Just push it in and wait for the plastic clips to click closed.

Put your hard drive in the dedicated area for it and screw it in. Connect a power supply and the SATA wire which goes from motherboard to hard drive. Again this will only fit in the correct slot.

Press power and hope it turns on. If you wired everything correctly you will have no problems. The BIOS which is essentially the operating system of your motherboard will already be installed and so you just need to install windows to the hard drive. You can do this with a disc if you have a disc drive installed but I find it much easier to use a bootable USB drive with windows on.

That is literally everything you need to know. On your first install you might not have some drivers set up. Head to the website of your graphics card marker and your motherboard maker and grab all the drivers you can find and install them. Quick restart and you are ready to go.
 
I wish we could just have more sleek, heavily engineered cases to provide optimal airflow in a size that is no larger than an XBO with a full-sized graphics card.

Consoles like the PS4 and the XBO are small in size but they contain rather weak hardware and can't be upgraded. The Alienware Alpha is smaller than both of them and just as powerful if not more so, at the cost of upgradeability. Creating a small case that looks nice, supports upgrading, has good airflow and is modestly priced isn't an easy task.
 

finalflame

Gold Member
Consoles like the PS4 and the XBO are small in size but they contain rather weak hardware and can't be upgraded. The Alienware Alpha is smaller than both of them and just as powerful if not more so, at the cost of upgradeability. Creating a small case that looks nice, supports upgrading, has good airflow and is modestly priced isn't an easy task.

Oh I'm totally aware of the challenges; some manufacturers like Silverstone almost get the form factor down close enough but then the cases just don't look as sleek/modern. Or Lian-Li with their VCR look. It's almost like everyone is trying to be too unique and the designs fall flat for me.

I'd pay a pretty penny for a box that looks sleek, can house all the hardware I'm trying to fit (mITX, SFX PSU, full-sized GPU probably with a riser), and is no larger than an XBO.
 
I'm actually looking to go sleeker than consoles for a portable build. Obviously I won't be able to fit the highest end hardware, but I want to see what kind of power I can pack into a travel size case. I'm treating it as a bit of a challenge, as I don't want to pay out the nose for a gaming laptop (and I also just don't want one), and my current Surface isn't cutting it with its integrated graphics.
 
If one of the problems is heat, would something as simple as drilling a pattern of holes over the entire body of the case do much to help? It may not look sleek, but if it were leagues more effective at heat dissipation, a tiny box gridded with holes wouldn't be so bad.

.. Assuming it would really help at all.
 

Grief.exe

Member
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I had to find this thread again to bookmark the Zaber Sentry. Really intriguing case.

there's also the zaber sentry which comes out soon

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Specs
-340 x 310 x 66mm main body - excluding stands, vertical stand and VGA bracket hold
-340 x 320 x 74mm total outline - including stands and VGA bracket hold
-mITX only motherboard, 7mm standoff's
-generic flex riser, can be replaced, for example with different pci-e lane width generic flex risers
-conditional 48mm or 38mm max coolers depending on cpu socket location and primary 2.5" hard drive mount use
-conditional SFX-L 130mm max or SFX 130mm PSU's depending on secondary 2.5" hard drive mount use, max 64mm height
-conditional use of up to 12 2.5" drives in VGA bay depending on the card size or no card installed
-dual slot full size 305mm VGA cards support
-vertical stand
-possible to carry in some 17" laptop bags and backpacks

Drive mounts:
-Primary Master 2.5" drive mount, partially above motherboard, collides(unusable) with coolers taller than 38mm when cpu socket is next to PCI-E
-Secondary Master 2.5" drive mount, next to PSU location, collides(unusable) with SFX-L
-Primary Backup 2.5" drive mount, in the VGA bay, near the back of the case, to be used with full length, blower type cooled cards
-Secondary Backup 2.5" drive mount, in the VGA bay, near the front of the case, to be used with short cards
-Tertiary Backup 3.5" drive mount, in the VGA bay, obstructs both primary and secondary backup 2.5" mounts, used with no dedicated card

CPU Coolers that should work:
- AMD APU(65W LP)
- Intel stock 1150
- Noctua NH-L9a/NH-L9i
- Scythe Kodati
- Silverstone AR04/AR05
- Thermolab ITX30

it's 6.97l! that's less than the ncase

My only problem with the Sentry is the lack of air flow over the components, could get quite hot in there. Zero air flow over the HDD, Ram, and Mobo as well, but that's not as much of a problem.
 
If the the more technical component manufactures (Asus, EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte, etc) regularly made cases they probably could get away with really small ones, you'll probably need to buy most of the pieces from them though, if they don't sell it put together already.
 
What I'd like to see is more custom OEM options like Asus does with the G20, but with less tacky gamer design. A big manufacturer can go the extra mile using custom solutions like external power bricks etc., but unfortunately they tend to also ruin good ideas with terrible aesthetics.

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We've come a long way even just in the last 12 months. There's a lot more small options available and it seems like theres a push towards getting cases smaller without compromising build options.

It'll be interesting to see what shows up at CES this year.
 

Herne

Member
Personally for me bigger the better. I have a gigantic NZXT Phantom case with multiple 140mm fans and a Corsair 240mm radiator. I just don't know how you will be able to fit a 750W PSU and high end Nvidia/Amd cards in a console size case though.

I have the same case. I had been using mid sized cases all along and I didn't even realise the Phantom was a full sized case until it arrived. Then, when I started building my current pc I realised what I had been missing out on. The room I had to work with was fantastic - and the previous NZXT cases I had owned or built pc's in for friends (Nemesis Elite, Lexa, Lexa Blackline, Lexa S) were hardly starved for room themselves. It's a joy to do anything with it, and the base fans that come with it cool my 390X to as far as 26 when idle and never more than 68 when running something like The Witcher 3 or Assassin's Creed Unity at maximum settings.

Love it. Also, to the guy who said garish, I think you meant stylishly unorthodox!
 

byropoint

Member
so i decided to run furmark for over 5 minutes @ 1080p with 8xMSAA



despite being a fanless case, and a gpu with only an 8 inch cooler, i still only was able to hit 68c (154f) air cooled

airflow really isn't an issue in smaller cases anymore.

It's not if you have a 970 or a lower tier Maxwell card, since they don't output that much heat to begin with, I have a R9 390 in a Node 304 with Noctua fans and things do get hot and pretty loud.
 
It's not if you have a 970 or a lower tier Maxwell card, since they don't output that much heat to begin with, I have a R9 390 in a Node 304 with Noctua fans and things do get hot and pretty loud.

to be fair, the 304 seems to give less breathing room for the GPU than the rvz02 in the first place, which likely doesn't help.

but yeah, 7XX nvidia series and lower, and AMD cards are going to run hotter than Maxwell.

still doesn't mean 68c after 5 straight minutes of furmark isn't great for a small build! :p
 
Some pretty nices cases in here, but I still don't see any as small as a PS4. /s


It looks nice but I dont wanna pay Alienware premium and be able to fit a 970 in there.

Not sure if you're serious, but that's the Alienware Alpha and it's probably the most reasonably priced gaming PC on the market. It's not a case so yeah a 970 won't fit, but it is smaller than a PS4 so there's that.
 

byropoint

Member
to be fair, the 304 seems to give less breathing room for the GPU than the rvz02 in the first place, which likely doesn't help.

but yeah, 7XX nvidia series and lower, and AMD cards are going to run hotter than Maxwell.

still doesn't mean 68c after 5 straight minutes of furmark isn't great for a small build! :p

Yeah, 68c in a mITX is pretty great, GPU chip temps are not the problem though, the heat output is, my 390 runs at 71-72c which is not bad at all but it dumps so much heat the other components get way hotter than they should (for instance, I saw my motherboard hitting 57c a few times), and that's a problem you likely won't have with a 970 or a 960, that's why I would stay away from high TDP cards for mITX builds for now, there might be better airflow solutions in other mITX cases but I honestly doubt it can be much better than the setup in the 304.

Edit: forgot to mention, this problem is also mitigated by a blower type GPU cooler since they act like exhausts and don't dump heat into the case.
 
Yeah, 68c in a mITX is pretty great, GPU chip temps are not the problem though, the heat output is, my 390 runs at 71-72c which is not bad at all but it dumps so much heat the other components get way hotter than they should (for instance, I saw my motherboard hitting 57c a few times), and that's a problem you likely won't have with a 970 or a 960, that's why I would stay away from high TDP cards for mITX builds for now, there might be better airflow solutions in other mITX cases but I honestly doubt it can be much better than the setup in the 304.

Edit: forgot to mention, this problem is also mitigated by a blower type GPU cooler since they act like exhausts and don't dump heat into the case.

blower cooler plus some risers. the rvz02 comes with two risers - one horizontal, one vertical. it allows the card to be completely seperate from the motherboard, PSU, CPU, etc when it dissipates heat.
the hdd is mountable there if your card is 8" or below
 
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