I'm willing to compromise
ANH without the Mos Eisley changes and Jabba changes but everything else
ESB SE as is (it's fiiiiiiine)
RotJ SE with no Jedi Rocks or Hayden but errything else. Even blinking Ewoks.
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George Lucas quips he sold 'Star Wars' to "white slavers," criticizes tone of TFA
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ANH without the Mos Eisley changes and Jabba changes but everything else
ESB SE as is (it's fiiiiiiine)
RotJ SE with no Jedi Rocks or Hayden but errything else. Even blinking Ewoks.
You people have never said dumb shit like that to a girl you're completely head over heels for?
Maybe it's just that I'm young and dumb...But I always get a silly smile at that shot because it reminds me of myself on love induced verbal diaerrhea
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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No, they were all cheesy. Dialogue has never been the series strong point. The only thing the OT had going for it was that it had 70s/80s Harrison Ford, who could make anything sound good.
Darth Icky. No wait, a billionaire.
Already Torn
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T hats not even a legitimate opinion, unlike mine.
I'm curious, which common faults directed towards the prequels would you dismiss as being illegitimate?
Wait so I'm definitely not a star wars superfan. They digitally made the Ewoks blink?
ZombieSupaStar
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They did in February 2012, it made a whopping 102 million.
MoonsaultSlayer
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The criticism was "dialog" was it not? I took that to mean what is spoken and not how or by whom.
I like the PT but I still cringe at these scenes and I loved TFA fwiw.
"Everything was CGI"
"They ruined the Force with midichlorians"
"Anakin should've been older"
"Retcons"
Those come to mind immediately.
In fairness though I royally doubt that was the writer's intention
Illegitimate:
Everything that starts with "Well as a kid I imagined this being..."
Legitimate:
Acting
Dialogue
Dragging scenes.
triplestation
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You know what star wars needs
A villain with an axe who fucking only kills younglings
A villain with an axe who fucking only kills younglings
ZombieSupaStar
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yep, they even ruined the finale with darth vader! (warning it crackles a bit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg
Pretty much.
AgentOtaku
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...jesus... this quote
Literally the episode of South Park flashes in my head
"We're gonna make it better!"
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
I believe one of the Knights of ren carries an axe as his main weapon. At least from the concept art that is.
Already in ep VII lol
I mean
One of the most prominent retcon things people bring up is that OT Leia specifically says she remembers her birth mother, while PT Leia clearly couldn't have.
You could come up with a way to explain that off, but it's still silly without any actual official explanation. As such, you can't really dismiss it.
Also, as somebody who is more than willing to address that a lot of people absolutely misremember the whole deal with midichlorians, they are still dumb.
triplestation
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AcademicSaucer
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The force awakens began strong, I was totally onboard, and then it took a dive when they left the first planet and never recovered, I was bored out of my mind , what a mediocre movie.
Already Torn
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Those are all rather unfair simplifications of common complaints though, yeah? Like let's look at the first one. The problem with most scenes incorporating green screen is bigger than just the fact that CGI was there. The problem is that it acted as a crutch that allowed them to focus on the visuals rather than the characters (pretty much the whole battle at the end of Clones after they get the light sabers back, the whole C3P0 flies through a conveyor belt thing) but also that the fact that green screens aren't sets both limited the amount of space they had to film each scene (reducing a lot of sequences to people standing/sitting still or walking slowly) and also had actors react inappropriately to CGI monsters because they didn't know what the you were supposed to be reacting to.
The fact that Shmi Skywaller's house wasn't CGI doesn't make the complaint illegitimate, it's one of the fundamental reasons the prequels didn't work (at least from a filmmaking perspective).
Conor_Fool
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George definitely has done some questionable things to Star Wars over the years and I've thrown my fair share of insults his way, but honestly I like and respect the guy. Good for him for just walking away when he obviously still cares so much about the franchise (maybe a bit too much but meh). All that being said, I am very, very happy he had nothing to do with TFA
I see you on the first page of every thread I go to. Just checked your post history and the longest you've gone without posting on GAF in your ~60 posts in the last 12 hours is just over 2 hours. Take the L like Lucas and walk away bro, you're in too deep
I see you on the first page of every thread I go to. Just checked your post history and the longest you've gone without posting on GAF in your ~60 posts in the last 12 hours is just over 2 hours. Take the L like Lucas and walk away bro, you're in too deep
Yes, of course. But that's exactly what I mean. People who seem to be misremembering things on purpose.
No. Those are the most common complaints. Like that. Without any explanation.
Seventy_X_Seven
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After listening to the interview, I honestly can feel for Lucas on a lot of his points. And for everyone saying he shouldn't if sold the rights if he wanted to make the movies, he addresses that saying basically time isn't unlimited. The man is old and only getting older, and as much as he wants to make more Star Wars he wants to have time to pursue other interests as well.
Honestly, I think Lucas should get more praise for the deal. Coming from that mindset, I think nearly anyone would of pursued their other interests and taken the rights to the grave. At least Lucas had the strength to let go of the biggest part of his life despite all the internal pressure not to. The photo of him signing it over says it all.
Honestly, I think Lucas should get more praise for the deal. Coming from that mindset, I think nearly anyone would of pursued their other interests and taken the rights to the grave. At least Lucas had the strength to let go of the biggest part of his life despite all the internal pressure not to. The photo of him signing it over says it all.
but you said it yourself
the prequels borrow from the OT like fucking CRAZY, and in every single case it's made far worse. fucking lucas.
triplestation
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The other Jedi masters can't sense it cause after he kills the younglings he absorbs their midichlorians which makes him op
legacyzero
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That about sums it up.
Yes, but even when you remove things where people are just being obtuse about the prequels (which is also hilariously happening with some of the TFA nitpicking), you still have a bevy of valid things that the prequels do that are worthy of scorn.
Already Torn
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I think most people might be too lazy to explain any further in all honesty. At least for me I get what they're talking about when they say midichlorians ruined the force so I don't need any further explanation. It's really interesting how much the prequels messed up and it's not something you can easily put into words, especially in a NeoGaF post you know? I'm sure lots of film students this year are going to write their thesis about what the prequels didn't "get" about Star Wars and how JJ and TFA brought it back.
But all the ships are new! The funny thing is that TFA has more new planets than the prequels, even though Jakku is Tatooine.
Mass_Pincup
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I found it so funny that people bring up the PT trilogy as if because he made them he can never ever have an opinion on what's next in a franchise he worked on for decades.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The dialogue in the OT is charming because it has better characters. That's where it succeeds when the PT fails. That's also where TFA succeeds. It's the most important thing to get right in a Star Wars movie and can make up for almost everything else. Han Solo or Luke Skywalker can make a shitty line sound charming in a cheesy way. Anakin Skywalker and Qui-Gon Ginn can't.
Well except those thesis would be wrong, since those students do not have any right on "how" Star Wars is.
How Star Wars is was up to Lucas, and now up to Disney. It's not in any fan's right to declare which movie "is Star Wars".
The originals are Star Wars. The prequels are Star Wars and the sequels will be Star Wars.
Star Wars may have been hokey and cheesy but a lot of that supposedly weak dialogue has been super enduring and entered the modern lexicon in ways that people probably take for granted. I think people actually overlook a lot of the really heartfelt moments of the original trilogy is filled with, even if the dialogue is cornball, it also comes across as being sincere and well intentioned which tends to be somewhat lacking in a lot of extremely cynically made films these days which have that kind of layer of post modern self awareness to them. I actually think this is one of the areas where Force Awakense succeeds at times, it has an actual affinity for the source material and the characters which often comes out in the dialogue and the humour. I would absolutely give the writing team credit for that, leaving aside complaints about originality and the overall ambition of the plot where Lucas actually has a point.
I mean he donated the money to charity, yet I find this still weirdly appropriate anyways.
While saying that he doesn't get an opinion at all is wrong, it's not unreasonable for people to not want to take much stock in what he has to say.
Agreed. But for many people born in the 90's those are our Star Wars movies, we don't give a fuck. They're lovely memories and awesome moments for me as a kif watching Duel of the Fates.
Who do you think pushed the prequels to #2 in Blu Ray sales this month (only behind the OT), angry youtube reviewers? No it was the people outside this toxic fanbase who love all the movies because they watched all 6 as 12 year olds tops, loved them.and called it a day (exceptions exist of course)
We loved the Power Rangers for fucks sake. Of course we can forgive shitty dialogue.
Id really like you all to see how different the attitude regarding the prequels are at my countries forums and social media
Dixon's Jet
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As soon as I saw that Disney was financing the last Democratic debate with ABC, I felt intense dislike for them. George Lucas absolutely sucks, I mean he is creatively bankrupt and instead determined to remove creativity from his old movies. Redlettermedia already laid the prequels to rest forever. But still, George Lucas is somehow preferable to Disney. He probably sold Star Wars to Disney for therapeutic reasons anyway.
shortsFortallPeople
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If only it wasn't the third episode out of the last 4 that featured a deathstar.
Already Torn
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Okay. You would just need a paragraph or two early on establishing what you meant by "getting" Star Wars. You could probably point to sales, which parts of the movies resonate the most with fans, analyze the themes and characters of all the movies and compare them, analyze the behind the scenes footage to see what the focus the filmmakers had.
In my sense I meant "what makes Star Wars good", not the canon or who owns it or what really happened before the OT or anything like that. You'd just need to clarify that I guess. I'd be interested and I'd probably do it myself if I didn't think I'd do a mediocre job.
It's still appropriate because he doesn't need the money.
If 1 penny of every dollar Star Wars has made George Lucas were dropped at his feet, he'd be buried under an entire island of money.
I mean, I love the old Power Rangers and still hate the dialogue and blocking of the prequels.
I expected the low budget shoe-string aesthetic with Power Rangers.
I didn't expect it with Star Wars.
I mean he's not wrong. The movie was from start to finish, retro fan service for 30+ year olds that leaned heavily, in every way, on stuff that's already been done in past films. The plot, the relationships, the planet battle station, how you defeat it, the characters, the space ships, etc.
The fact that the Herod were plugged in black and female characters doesn't really change that broad fact.
That said it worked perfectly for me and I was super entertained.
The fact that the Herod were plugged in black and female characters doesn't really change that broad fact.
That said it worked perfectly for me and I was super entertained.
ultracal31
You don't get to bring friends.
You boil the water, pour the packag-
Mass_Pincup
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And that's perfectly valid, but if so why come in a thread which only deals with what he has to say?
A Link to the Past
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TFA "played it safe" because:
1. They can get away with telling an old story again for a new audience that hasn't seen the original
2. If they didn't, they risk re-alienating an already frustrated fanbase. Lucas, if you're mad about it being "retro", just remember that you forced it to be by fucking up the prequels.
1. They can get away with telling an old story again for a new audience that hasn't seen the original
2. If they didn't, they risk re-alienating an already frustrated fanbase. Lucas, if you're mad about it being "retro", just remember that you forced it to be by fucking up the prequels.
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