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Best Doctor Who villain/monster?
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water_wendi
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Midnight. The only thing in the new series where i felt that the Doctor might lose.
Creepy as all hell, too.
Creepy as all hell, too.
Freeza Under The Shower
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you already grabbed the best one, ya cheat.
I like the Vasta Nerada too though. And that
rock thing, whatever it was.
I like the Vasta Nerada too though. And that
'love story'
A Link to the Past
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I've got a soft spot for the Silence. The idea of an enemy that you can't know exists or does not exist unless it wants you to know is really very cool to me.
nckillthegrimace
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I tend to find that Doctor Who monsters are either painfully close to being cool but have some significant issue or immediately great and ruined in future adventures as they're explored in more depth.
This one was meh for me
PhoncipleBone
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The Silence was creepy for the notion that you would forget about them the second you stopped looking at them.
The Weeping Angels were scary because they were always there and you could never look away or blink. And the way they "killed" you was a special kind of fucked up.
I do have a soft spot for the "Is it real or isn't it?" monster from Listen. We never found out if it was real or not, but the thought of something hiding in plain sight but you would never know it was there waiting for you is literally a childhood fear brought to life.
The Weeping Angels were scary because they were always there and you could never look away or blink. And the way they "killed" you was a special kind of fucked up.
I do have a soft spot for the "Is it real or isn't it?" monster from Listen. We never found out if it was real or not, but the thought of something hiding in plain sight but you would never know it was there waiting for you is literally a childhood fear brought to life.
I really loved the Silence in their first appearance because they were such a great sendup to the classic UFO myths like the men in black.
Then they got fucked hard by "The Time of the Doctor."
Coffee Dog
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I thought the Silence was amazing until they kept coming back.
They have Weeping Angel syndrome; the initial appearance by the monster is cool and creepy and new, but each successive story saps out the novelty of the original concept until they're just another face in the rogues gallery. After long enough, characters start treating the monster's gimmick as just a footnote; "Oh look there's another Weeping Angel, keep your eyes on it, whatever you do don't blink."
Imagine if the Midnight creature came back in that manner. It'd be fucking laughable.
Came in here to say Missy. Man, the way she's looking at the camera while everyone else is looking forward is creepy.
Missy is great, the OG Master is great, but none of the others really stack up. The guy who was the master with Tom Baker and Davison was ok.
My favorite monsters are the ones that are made of rubber and bits of whatever was laying around, like the green bubble wrap monsters from The Ark in Space.
Damn, i'm still bummed that Classic Who is gone from Hulu. I took it for granted.
My favorite monsters are the ones that are made of rubber and bits of whatever was laying around, like the green bubble wrap monsters from The Ark in Space.
Damn, i'm still bummed that Classic Who is gone from Hulu. I took it for granted.
GotchaForce
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Not seen much Dr Who, the first one I watched all the way was about this fan club and this love story that ends with everyone being made part of this gross creature but still alive. Fucked me up real good. I think the Dr doesn't even save them, just puts them all out of misery.
You mean the Absorbaloff?
That is easily the worst episode. I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry.
Succinct Verbosity
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Dream Lord seemed cool, and he could easily be used again without it becoming pointless (see daleks getting beaten every time).
I'm honestly still fond of the weeping angels and the silence overall.
Ouch. That's probably by far worst episode I can think of.
Ouch. That's probably by far worst episode I can think of.
^The Dream lord & the creature from Midnight are the only two monsters/villains that have legit come close to defeating the Doctor. Weeping Angels were pretty terrifying at first , but then Moffet came along....
Succinct Verbosity
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The Weeping Angels are his creation, and he really did seem to try more with his villains than RTD. Midnight aside, RTD was too fascinated by bringing back old villians rather than creating new ones.
There are some good Dalek stories, but it's rare that they're good because they're Dalek stories. Like "Genesis of the Daleks".
"Dalek" is the big exception.
I don't really think they are high potential villains, and that's part of the problem. They are high concept villains written around their initial stories and their transition to recurring villains compromises them. The Weeping Angels for example send people back in time, which works very well for the time travel plot of Blink. But then come their reappearance in The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone they just snap people's necks, because sending people back in time doesn't really work with the story there.
I got into Dr. Who when the Tom Baker episodes were being re-broadcast in the late 80s on PBS, so I'm partial to the Daleks and the Cybermen.
The Weeping Angels are pretty fucking awesome, too. But I've only seen the episode where they first appeared so I'm not burnt out on them. It sounds like they really got overplayed.
The Master was a cool idea but the character is too Moriarity. His presence really drives home just how much of a riff on Sherlock Holmes the Doctor really is. With the right combo of writer/actor/director the Master could probably be turned into something special, though.
The Weeping Angels are pretty fucking awesome, too. But I've only seen the episode where they first appeared so I'm not burnt out on them. It sounds like they really got overplayed.
The Master was a cool idea but the character is too Moriarity. His presence really drives home just how much of a riff on Sherlock Holmes the Doctor really is. With the right combo of writer/actor/director the Master could probably be turned into something special, though.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Davros.
DOCTOR: Davros, if you had created a virus in your laboratory, something contagious and infectious that killed on contact, a virus that would destroy all other forms of life, would you allow its use?
DAVROS: It is an interesting conjecture.
DOCTOR: Would you do it?
DAVROS: The only living thing, a microscopic organism reigning supreme. A fascinating idea.
DOCTOR: But would you do it?
DAVROS: Yes. Yes. To hold in my hand a capsule that contains such power, to know that life and death on such a scale was my choice. To know that the tiny pressure on my thumb, enough to break the glass, would end everything. Yes, I would do it! That power would set me up above the gods. And through the Daleks, I shall have that power!
DOCTOR: With you as their emperor. But what of the lesser intellects? Or will they be left to rot?
DAVROS: You should know me better than that, Doctor. I never waste a valuable commodity. The humanoid form makes an excellent concentrated protein. This part of the galaxy is developing quickly. Famine was one of its major problems.
DOCTOR: You've turned them into food?
DAVROS: A scheme that has earned me great acclaim.
DOCTOR: But did you bother to tell anyone they might be eating their own relatives?
DAVROS: Certainly not. That would have created what I believe is termed consumer resistance. They were grateful for the food. It allowed them to go on living.
DOCTOR: Until you take over their planets.
The perfect foil for the Doctor, and a fascinating and compelling villain in his own right.
DOCTOR: Davros, if you had created a virus in your laboratory, something contagious and infectious that killed on contact, a virus that would destroy all other forms of life, would you allow its use?
DAVROS: It is an interesting conjecture.
DOCTOR: Would you do it?
DAVROS: The only living thing, a microscopic organism reigning supreme. A fascinating idea.
DOCTOR: But would you do it?
DAVROS: Yes. Yes. To hold in my hand a capsule that contains such power, to know that life and death on such a scale was my choice. To know that the tiny pressure on my thumb, enough to break the glass, would end everything. Yes, I would do it! That power would set me up above the gods. And through the Daleks, I shall have that power!
DOCTOR: With you as their emperor. But what of the lesser intellects? Or will they be left to rot?
DAVROS: You should know me better than that, Doctor. I never waste a valuable commodity. The humanoid form makes an excellent concentrated protein. This part of the galaxy is developing quickly. Famine was one of its major problems.
DOCTOR: You've turned them into food?
DAVROS: A scheme that has earned me great acclaim.
DOCTOR: But did you bother to tell anyone they might be eating their own relatives?
DAVROS: Certainly not. That would have created what I believe is termed consumer resistance. They were grateful for the food. It allowed them to go on living.
DOCTOR: Until you take over their planets.
The perfect foil for the Doctor, and a fascinating and compelling villain in his own right.
Affeinvasion
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I like the Mitchell and Webb robots from Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Not the best, but I'm giving them an honorable mention.
OneEightZero
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The one that won't allow the show to significantly alter its narrative.
That's actually an excellent point, now that you mention it, yeah they really both are based around one shot appearances to maximize the effectiveness. I guess there isnt a massive amount of depth otherwise
Hindenblewp
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John Nathan-Turner.
Davros is king because he's a villian that can philosophize with The Doctor and have moral questions.
I was fond of The Silence-Their introduction was such a great, innovative story but like someone before said The Time of the Doctor sought to explain away their motivation and I don't see how they can ever come back from that.
RagingPhoenix
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You took the best one OP, not fair!
For me the midnight monster was the best one too. Complete unknown entity & the Doctor has no clue how to beat it.
Weeping angels were absolutely terrifying in Blink. Silence were good initially but they didn't do too much for me in subsequent appearances.
Thought the beast made a decent villian too in the satan pit two parter. Also if its worth it I'd mention the beetle/fortune teller in Turn Left, it was really one of the most depressing & hard hitting episodes in New Who.
I've only reached till series 7 tho so I guess I have a fair few left. Tho its funny noone has yet voted for the Daleks, Cybermen & the big bad
For me the midnight monster was the best one too. Complete unknown entity & the Doctor has no clue how to beat it.
Weeping angels were absolutely terrifying in Blink. Silence were good initially but they didn't do too much for me in subsequent appearances.
Thought the beast made a decent villian too in the satan pit two parter. Also if its worth it I'd mention the beetle/fortune teller in Turn Left, it was really one of the most depressing & hard hitting episodes in New Who.
I've only reached till series 7 tho so I guess I have a fair few left. Tho its funny noone has yet voted for the Daleks, Cybermen & the big bad
the Sontarans
in some ways, mob mentality was the real monster in that episode.
The Trickster in Sarah Jane Adventures. He possesses a mischievous personality and theatrical performance that rivals Missy; a simple, but effective design; and a powerset that probably set him in the top tier of Doctor Who's villains. Thought for sure that RTD namedropped him in the other two series because he was going to bring him over. It would be great to see what the writers can do with the Trickster once unshackled by the limitation of a kid-targeted TV show.
DrForester
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Missy is an amazing villain.
I absolutely hated Simms' Master though.
I absolutely hated Simms' Master though.
RagingPhoenix
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Midnight is a fantastic villain concept for both not pulling the curtain too far back on exactly what the monster is, and for the wedge it drives between him and the humans.
Generally when you think of a lot of the Doctor's big "wins" since the rebooted series they all revolve around the idea of the Doctor using his connection and relationship with the better nature of humans to save the day. He inspires them, unites them, uses their innate power and decency to confound even the most threatening of foes. Sometimes its just his human companion, sometimes its the entire world, but that's generally how he gets it done.
But the monster in Midnight pretty quickly realizes this and almost defeats the Doctor by turning a group of ordinary people into maniacs, like a dark mirror of his ability to inspire.
And what is most impressive is that even though the Doctor has had centuries of contact and experience with humans, this creature that has presumably never seen humans before almost beats him at manipulating them.
Generally when you think of a lot of the Doctor's big "wins" since the rebooted series they all revolve around the idea of the Doctor using his connection and relationship with the better nature of humans to save the day. He inspires them, unites them, uses their innate power and decency to confound even the most threatening of foes. Sometimes its just his human companion, sometimes its the entire world, but that's generally how he gets it done.
But the monster in Midnight pretty quickly realizes this and almost defeats the Doctor by turning a group of ordinary people into maniacs, like a dark mirror of his ability to inspire.
And what is most impressive is that even though the Doctor has had centuries of contact and experience with humans, this creature that has presumably never seen humans before almost beats him at manipulating them.
Exterminieren
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The Time Lords in general.
Say whatever else you want about it, but Hell Bent nailed this. Even the good ones are sodding awful.
Davros is also an acceptable answer. He's only been used well twice (Genesis of the Daleks and The Witch's Familiar), but in those examples he's the most interesting single villain the show's ever had.
Missy's great, but the Master's spent far too long being shit to count.
Say whatever else you want about it, but Hell Bent nailed this. Even the good ones are sodding awful.
Davros is also an acceptable answer. He's only been used well twice (Genesis of the Daleks and The Witch's Familiar), but in those examples he's the most interesting single villain the show's ever had.
Missy's great, but the Master's spent far too long being shit to count.
Midnight was truly amazing. But it was kinda a cheat, since it was not physical monster.
Silence and Weeping Angels had awesome introduction episodes.
Go watch it, it was much better than S8. Almost every story was a 2 episode arc, which made stories and villians better. Plus season had very satisfying end with few great episodes [Heaven Sent was fuckawesome].
Silence and Weeping Angels had awesome introduction episodes.
Go watch it, it was much better than S8. Almost every story was a 2 episode arc, which made stories and villians better. Plus season had very satisfying end with few great episodes [Heaven Sent was fuckawesome].
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