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Steam | 02.2016 - Orangeade
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arts&crafts
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Got a Trace Vector booster, decide not to sell for $0.17, I open and get a foil! Put it up for sale for $0.30
Feels goodman...:|
99% legit, they are a real company, although I had a bad experience with fallout 4, but I got a free seasons pass, so all in all a success.
Feels goodman...:|
99% legit, they are a real company, although I had a bad experience with fallout 4, but I got a free seasons pass, so all in all a success.
Jawmuncher
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They're legit but the way they handle digital might not be. More than a few cases of them more than likely reading off codes from retail packages at their store.
What's the difference between this: http://store.steampowered.com/app/31170
And the normal special editions? http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6183/
And the normal special editions? http://store.steampowered.com/sub/6183/
Well, the other flaw in that scenario is that JAST lets you download the installer and not the game directly (a la Steam). So anyone who bought the game has access to everything needed to play the game even if the service goes down as long as they kept a copy of the installer.
Not that I buy things on JAST or anything... baka!
texhnolyze
Banned
Kurt Russell
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Different games. Tales from Monkey Island are Telltale games, the other two are remastered editions of the first Monkey Island games.
Of course it's not releasing in 5 days, we just want to see what kind of meltdown it would cause and how long the thread would stay open.
And how fast the thread starter would get juniored.
Duh.
Nyteshade517
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They're different games?
One is Tales From Monkey Island
The other is a pack of The Secret of Monkey Island & Monkey Island 2 Special Editions
edit: beaten
I found interesting how many people tried to tell you about "Terms of Service" and "EULAs" as the reason for it being illegal, which is fucking hilarious. First because EULAs are almost as legally binding as toilet paper in the EU, and how corporate ass kissing it sounds like.
Hell, if we go by those same terms of service, you have a license to the game, and as far as I'm concerned the way you get the data for the game you have a license for is frankly irrelevant.
Nah, it isn't. He's fully entitled to pirate the game if he already owns and paid for it. This is not a morally dubious question, and the answer is pretty damn simple.
? They are different games. The first link is for TT episodic game, the second link represents the first two, original Lucas games.
EDIT: I'm useless.
Been looking a some puzzle games kind similar in some way to hexcells and found this
http://store.steampowered.com/app/370150/?utm_source=SteamDB&utm_medium=SteamDB&utm_campaign=SteamDB%20App%20Page
Tried the demo and found it really relaxing working my way through the few levels. Hopefully the harder ones will really make the brain work.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/370150/?utm_source=SteamDB&utm_medium=SteamDB&utm_campaign=SteamDB%20App%20Page
Tried the demo and found it really relaxing working my way through the few levels. Hopefully the harder ones will really make the brain work.
No, it's not. It's beyond me how someone can legitimately have this view.
If you pirate a game you legally purchased for whatever reason, there is defacto no harm done do anybody in anyway. How can that be a bad thing?
Are we allowed to talk about such things openly here on GAF? Because i could come up with multiple personal anecdotes.
Chairmanchuck
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Thats cool. I just took that as an example though.
My point is:
You gave money to the publisher for a digital game. Then they take the game away for whatever reason or they go under. Then you pirate it.
The thing is, at least in German law, if its about physical products, you could do something like that.
Imagine you buy a new couch from some shop, after 1 week they come to your home and take it away and show you some small terms that say "We can take it from you whenever we want" (such a clause would be illegal in Germany, but lets ignore that).
You go to their shop and take it back. Its not considered theft, because you are the owner of the physical good. Thats not stealing back, thats taking back what is rightfully yours.
And thats exactly the reason why things like "You are just renting our software" is wrong. Even the european high court decided that you if you "buy a software, you are the owner". (C-128/11 - Oracle case)
This also doesnt work in the EU, since the european highcourt judged (and also german ones before), that you become the owner of the software if its not clearly stated that you are just renting it.
There's lots of stupid and naive people on this planet. Im certain some people believed it.
Tizoc
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They alos come with the original games!
I get what you mean on the one hand, but on the other, you don't really need to justify piracy.
That at least, is my personal opinion :X
This thread woul be gold.
accel
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Short answer: yes, it would be bad.
What are the specifics? Like above - you can no longer download the game where you bought it? Then demand a refund, etc.
bobawesome
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The Fruit of Grisaia seemed too good to pass up at that price. I've only ever heard good things about it. This is the first game I've bought for myself on Steam in over three years.
What would be the long answer then? Because the short answer makes no sense.
The Dear Leader
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The dates been changed on Steam, unfortunately.
Chairmanchuck
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What if they dont give you a refund? You would need to sue them for a 30$ game. They will lose for sure and at least companies like Apple know that people wont sue them for a 2$ game. Thats why they dont give refunds.
The thing is, why would it be morally bad?
Lets use my other example for physical goods. You buy a couch, the sellers take it away from you after one day or week. Getting it back would be morally bad? The law is on your side. If you take it back you dont commit theft.
(I can still feel why my specialization during my law study was media law
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accel
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The long answer depends on the specifics.
Kurt Russell
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So you are saying that people who believed that DS3 would release on the 15th are stupid or/and naive?
That doesn't make any sense.
You bought the game legally, yet can't download it anymore from the official source despite you owning the license.
You're fully entitled to pirate it, there's no two ways about it lol
NingenJanai
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what is a JAST bundle?
accel
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What if they dont give you a refund? You would need to sue them for a 30$ game. They will lose for sure and at least companies like Apple know that people wont sue them for a 2$ game. Thats why they dont give refunds.
The thing is, why would it be morally bad?
Lets use my other example for physical goods. You buy a couch, the sellers take it away from you after one day or week. Getting it back would be morally bad? The law is on your side. If you take it back you dont commit theft.
(I can still feel why my specialization during my law study was media law
If they don't give you a refund, take it to court.
If you won't take it to court, because that's too little money, it's your choice (but there are various things like class acts which help suing make sense even if your sum is small).
I don't know what "morally" means, or, rather, it's too soft a matter to reason about (for me). We have laws. Let's use them.
No, you aren't entitled to pirate it at all, what you are entitled to is getting your money back (and the guys who sold the game to you might get punished beyond that).
A shameful pile of secrets.
A miserable little pile of waifus!
Sure I am. I own the game, I paid for it, I get to download it from wherever the fuck I want if the official source isn't no longer available. It's really as simple as that. Both legally and morally.
Chairmanchuck
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Yeah. That will take about 2-3 years to take it to court (even in Germany).
My choice, if I take it to court, will involve a lot of stress, contacting a lawyer, wait for appointments at court.
The thing is according to the EU-decision in 2012, the question might not even be a moral one whether its okay to download it or not, since in the Oracle decision they judged that you are the owner of the software you bought, but the question might even be if legally you could justify it. No one took it to court yet, thats why this question hasnt been answered.
But lets go back to my physical example. You think it would be wrong if you take back the couch and you would go to court, wait a few years till you get your coach back instead of just taking it back (legally you are right)?
Se7enSword
Banned
Non-steam trash
Been playing Firewatch. Its pretty cool so far. The only thing that gets me is how static the world feels. No tree sways with the wind, or rustling of the grass... or wind... not even a lot of wildlife.
I love the way the game looks, but it needs a bit more to make it come alive.
There is a bit of sway tho... i guess its just hard to notice when you are moving around.
I love the way the game looks, but it needs a bit more to make it come alive.
There is a bit of sway tho... i guess its just hard to notice when you are moving around.
That would be the worse alternative for all partys involved.
accel
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Where would you download it if the official source is closed? Right, from an "unofficial source".
How did that unofficial source get it? Why are they distributing something they have no rights to? Yeah.
Let's turn to you. What exactly do you think you have rights to download? Do you think you are downloading the game you bought? You know you are not downloading from an official source, so how can you be sure what it is you are downloading? Maybe what you are actually downloading is a cracked copy, eh? Maybe you even know that it is a cracked copy, because the "unofficial source" from which you are downloading has other games from similarly "unavailable" official sources?
Again, everything depends on the specifics, but it ain't pretty.
You aren't entitled to pirating ever.
lashman
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UcchedavÄda
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Thanks, that looks pretty neat! Yet another puzzle-game on my wishlist.
But I am reminded once again how poor the categorizations are on steam. The game is classified as "Casual" and "Indie", with the tags "Casual", "Indie" and "Puzzle". But is impossible to actually find games like that using those categories and tags. I mean, right now the top seller for Puzzle tags is RotTR, and not far below you find the Hitman Collection .. and the "More like this" selection is not much better.
Actually, depending on the EULA, country, company, distribution, and laws (local and federal/whatever), you may indeed be entitled to pirate it, although it certainly wouldn't be worded that way.
Essentially, you are purchasing the ownership of a video game, something abstract and digital, and if due to a company going under or servers being disabled you are no longer able to download the program code directly from them, but you are still entitled to the game, there often isn't any clause saying WHERE you have to download the game from, meaning downloading it from a P2P source would be technically (and I would say morally) fome.
Pirating is turned into this black-and-white "always wrong" term by people who have vested interests in it being wrong, but it isn't ACTUALLY black-and-white. Especially if you start talking about morals vs. laws. Because of the relatively new and, again, abstract, nature of piracy and digital management it can be hard to really get a good idea of cause, effect, and everything in between. If you look at a digital image of a classic painting, because you can never make it to a certain museum or you don't want to pay to gain access to wherever it is, that is fairly close (if not the same) as to some other forms of "piracy". But obviously people don't believe there's anything wrong with it.
Morally it pretty much comes down to: Is it doing harm to someone or something? If so, there's something wrong about it (although some things do more good than harm so even there it is grey). If it is not doing harm to anyone or anything, there's little to no ground to say it's morally wrong. The problem then becomes how to identify if something is doing harm or not from an objective standpoint.
accel
Member
You buy a couch, someone takes it from you. Yes, you go to court. What, are you suggesting that we invade someone else's house and take the couch by force???? It's court, no questions.
The Dear Leader
Banned
It's not pirating when you own the game, it's downloading your game from an alternate source when the official one isn't available. I pay money for game, I get to own game, how I have to download that game makes no difference, I'm stealing nothing, as I can't steal something I own.
Chairmanchuck
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Just a question. Do you think you own a licence or just renting it? In Europe you own the rights to the software if you bought it now (thats why I posted the judgement of the european high court in the Oracle case).
They just put it back in their shop. The shop is open on weekdays.
Then you are entitled to take it back, call the police if you must. You are the owner of it. It is not theft in that case (according to german law at least).
And even if you invade someone elses house, you would be charged with trespassing but not with theft. And then actually the trespassing could be justified in these cases, since you need to take that action to take back your property.
My Little Irish Actress Can't Be This Waifu
I fail to see how any of that is an argument against it.
Please, if you wanna argue against it post a good point on why it's a bad thing and who gets hurt.
*Watched video*
Looks shit.
*Reads descriptions*
Sounds shit.
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