Fourth Storm
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Amiibo is also a platform, Turrican3. Remember that...
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Nintendo files patent application for stationary game console without optical disk
That's my thought as well. There's no way they will go download only as it would lock away a good number of people around the world, especially in the children category. If anything it will be USB/flash drives contained in Amiibos. So that you get a physical item that brings the game with it. The retail presence is crucial and a huge money maker for N.
Yep, but honestly I wouldn't call/prefix that with "dedicated game", either. *shrugs*
We'll see. ^__^
Sectorseven
Member
It will definitely be a proprietary format, whatever they do. No way will they release standard usb or flash memory cards.
Hopefully they aren't designing an entire console generation around amiibo. That craze likely started too late in the development cycle anyway.
Hopefully they aren't designing an entire console generation around amiibo. That craze likely started too late in the development cycle anyway.
entremet
Member
This deserves its own thread as it really has nothing to do the OP.
Also new news, new thread.
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Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
The games are sold in amiibo.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Do it. I'm in the mood for crazy speculation.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yeah I don't think that cards are guaranteed but they would definitely benefit from some way of getting games on to the system without a download. There's lots of options and could even use something like whispernet for online certification without internet access if they want it all to be account based. Unless they want to end up with a PSP Go situation some time years down the line, they might want to do something a bit unconventional that doesn't require multiple card readers on a portable device.
Eddie Nash
Neo Member
It seems my idea just might be happening...maybe. Look at this article about a new patent nintendo filed that came to light recently:
http://www.techinsider.io/nintendo-nx-patent-photos-2015-12
I'll just go ahead and quote a few interesting parts:
http://www.techinsider.io/ said:
If this is indeed true, then the system can be VERY powerful as you could just add more processing units to enhance it. That would also explain what was said about tha dev kits, remember? One of the demos handed to developers required top of the line hardware to run. Will that really happen, or am I just daydreaming here?
Spring-Loaded
Member
We'll find out today
No, we won't.. not today at least.
I doubt it. Not during the holiday season.
What part of "We'll talk about the NX in 2016" is so hard to understand?
DoctorFling
Member
Hype makes fools of us all. It'll be worse come January when every day people are complaining that Nintendo aren't telling us anything, until the real announcement event.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Can I buy the 'supplemental computing device' separately? Could I buy 3 more of them and have my NX run Mario at 4k/120fps?
Eddie Nash
Neo Member
If what the article says is true, then most likely yes. They say you can "daisy-chain these supplemental devices to one another, either physically or wirelessly, for more power", so it's highly likely you can. That would be awesome now wouldn't it?
All of it apparently.
According to the patent it's possible. Of course it'd depend on how it's implemented, the API's and what the game wants to do with that added information. It would require a fast bus to get data from the SCD to main console, but Nintendo said it can be attached so hopefully they'll do it right and not use USB 1.
I would love this if it's truly realised and the core price is respectable. I don't want to pay $400 for the base + $300 for additional units. It'd have to be something like $150-$200 for the base, "PS4 level" unit and $100 for additional units or something like that.
What I also like the thought of is if the system is fully network integrated as the patent suggests, I could play on my Mac, streaming from the NX units around my house. So long as they write the client for a device, it'll work. Tablets, phones, computers, NXDS etc.
Sorry to bump this but was this posted already?
http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=...ageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=9E776D03331E
Says published late last month so I doubt it.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo
http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?Docid=...ageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=9E776D03331E
Says published late last month so I doubt it.
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo
Jim_Cacher
Member
This is interesting. I hope someone can open a new thread.
jabberwocker
Banned
So they are using a online network. Not sure what else there is here.
Kabuki Waq
Member
was hoping for backwards compatibility
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Isn't this just saying you can share data between systems, servers and a PC?
Muskieratboi
Member
This is fine.
As opposed to earlier generations, Flash ROM media is on par with optical in terms of price, has vastly larger storage (64GB NAND chips are about $1-3 per unit according to current contract prices), and have that old fashioned advantage of being ridiculously fast.
I'd be perfectly happy to see Nintendo go back to carts for the home console. Especially if, as has been noted, it's likely that the console and handheld will use the same carts.
As opposed to earlier generations, Flash ROM media is on par with optical in terms of price, has vastly larger storage (64GB NAND chips are about $1-3 per unit according to current contract prices), and have that old fashioned advantage of being ridiculously fast.
I'd be perfectly happy to see Nintendo go back to carts for the home console. Especially if, as has been noted, it's likely that the console and handheld will use the same carts.
I have no idea why something like this needs a patent. From what I could grasp it looks like a patent expanding Miiverse to PC and smartphones. There appeared to be some stuff about users self-regulating. So this is me speculating, but high-liked posts getting show to others.
shouamabane
Member
The latest rumors point to an NX home console this year.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
The patent is for a stationary console - meaning a non-portable device.
Found this one also.
https://www.google.com/patents/USD7...ved=0ahUKEwjG2fCE4ZnLAhWFMGMKHbKxAUsQ6AEIHTAA
None of the pics work yet though. I believe this is for the NX portable. Won't know until those pics are there though. Unless this is just for the new 3ds but it seems like they would have published that long time ago.
https://www.google.com/patents/USD7...ved=0ahUKEwjG2fCE4ZnLAhWFMGMKHbKxAUsQ6AEIHTAA
None of the pics work yet though. I believe this is for the NX portable. Won't know until those pics are there though. Unless this is just for the new 3ds but it seems like they would have published that long time ago.
Zeyphersan
Banned
" FIG. 13 is a front perspective view of a second embodiment of a portable computer showing our new design; "
Nevermind. Probably the new 3ds.
edit:
FIG. 1 is a front perspective view of a first embodiment of a portable computer showing our new design;
First embodiment of our new design? Now i really don't know what to think. the new 3ds is def not the first embodiment of anything.
edit 2
Nevermind.
http://www.toyinvention.com/toy-patents/patD745606.pdf
Nevermind. Probably the new 3ds.
edit:
FIG. 1 is a front perspective view of a first embodiment of a portable computer showing our new design;
First embodiment of our new design? Now i really don't know what to think. the new 3ds is def not the first embodiment of anything.
edit 2
Nevermind.
http://www.toyinvention.com/toy-patents/patD745606.pdf
Reading the first few pages of this post ...
All-digital sort of makes sense. The Amiibo line has been profitable for Nintendo and I could see them replacing game shelf space with Amiibo figures that contain digital content (or games of their own).
I don't see them mass producing games on cartridges in store - this is costly and I can't see them making such a decision, particularly in lieu of declining WiiU and 3DS sales.
As others have said, the cart port likely refers to whatever format Nintendo decides upon. Games can be downloaded to internal storage on console and transferred over to the SD (high capacity) memory card using the cart port (or WiFi?). Perhaps there is an easy docking station that would make transfer a breeze.
All-digital sort of makes sense. The Amiibo line has been profitable for Nintendo and I could see them replacing game shelf space with Amiibo figures that contain digital content (or games of their own).
I don't see them mass producing games on cartridges in store - this is costly and I can't see them making such a decision, particularly in lieu of declining WiiU and 3DS sales.
As others have said, the cart port likely refers to whatever format Nintendo decides upon. Games can be downloaded to internal storage on console and transferred over to the SD (high capacity) memory card using the cart port (or WiFi?). Perhaps there is an easy docking station that would make transfer a breeze.
justsomeguy
Member
The "slow external hard disk" is painfully obviously referring to a handheld connected to the main unit...
Awwww yeah!
Fredrik
Member
How do they handle DRM?
They've said that they'll have a proper account system from now on so your purchases will be tied to your Nintendo account, personally I still want physical media of some sort but buying digital from here on should be just like buying from PS Store, Xbox Marketplace etc.
Graphics Horse
Member
Yeah they file those kind of patents at the same time they reveal them, so you won't have any luck trying to see the final form unfortunately.
boyshine
Member
Looking at the position Nintendo has in retail vs PS4 and Xbox One, dropping discs is the way to go. They could release physical retail boxes with NFC cards inside, which would allow for resale, in comparison to just having a download code:
Scan NFC card (or Collectors item): Do you wish to install this game to your console? Y/N
Purchase is registered to Nintendo account and game is installed to console.
Scan NFC card again:
1. Play game
2. Time Share Settings (Friend (must be in friend list and selected as "allowed" for Time Share) can install/play game, game is not playable on your console during set time period, but remains installed)
3. Data management > Delete game and remove from account (Card can now be sold as used, and installed on another console)
And yes, this requires that the console is online to install new games. I don't think there's any way to avoid that anymore.
Tarin02543
Member
Super Nintendo 2.0, here we come $$$
Nintendo won't handle drm this way forever, there's a reason why they're launching a new account system. That being said, i'd much rather have carts too but if they stick with discs i'll go dd only.
Wouldn't that be expensive? I mean an optical disc is extremely cheap to make compared to a cartridge. I love the idea of going back to using cartridges, but I just can't see it being economically efficient for Nintendo. This was the main reason why N64 games were so much more expensive than PS1 games.