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[cosmicblizzard]

One side might get a fact wrong here and there, but no one on that opposite side of GGers has gone even remotely close to the lengths that GGers are going to destroy people's lives. It's a completely one-sided war against people who just want to be treated more equally but instead getting mountains of hate thrown at them by these GG people. There are some hot-headed GG-opposing individuals who maybe hurl heated "you should die, pig!" insults towards Gamergate assholes in the midst of public internet arguments, but they aren't organized nor do they go so far as to start sending death threats to their homes, workplaces etc.

Much like men's rights aren't all perfect and there IS need for MRAs, the actual MRA movement has been hijacked by horrible people who want to suppress people aiming for a more equal world because they perceive it takes rights away from them, though their rights stay the same or even improve (i.e. better paternity leave rights for men is something feminists are strongly supporting & driving forward) as people from other gender/minority groups also get more equal treatment.

There is no ethics argument that they are pushing anymore, if there ever really was past the first few days of its inception.

Oh, I'm not denying any of that, or at least there's little evidence to the contrary. One side is clearly far more disproportionately bad than the other as far as damage caused.

Though I would argue that GG as a whole isn't well-organized at all and I can't discern any kind of unified message from them based on the research I've done, whereas the anti side is pretty clear in what GG is, and as you said there are some hot-headed individuals among them that tend to see it everywhere even when it's not relevant like Graham Linehan. That of course doesn't make the movement itself any less disgusting, at least my muddled understanding of it.

 

[20cent]

Fuck Gamergate, but you had your 15 minutes, now move on.

 

[Toxi]

Depends where are you living. The covering in german media was close to zero.

So before you acuse someone else to "get out of his bubble" think about his circumstances and that he is probably not a american citizen.

Why are people posting on a topic they are self-admittedly ignorant on just to proclaim their ignorance?

Use a search engine.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Fuck Gamergate, but you had your 15 minutes, now move on.

They just moved onto Trump :/

 

[Abstrusity]

What bugs me is that if we don't put in at least some effort to inform people, I'm sure that Gamergate supporters will have an infographic that will do the job. It doesn't take long to tell when someone is a sockpuppet, either. They're going to start dropping the Breitbart links or Gamergate narrative points by the second post, and that's when you know they aren't worth any more time.

Yeah, I have that same fear, too. Those sorts of infographics spread easily, they're mostly compact, somewhat easy to read, and you can never tell their content -- on 4chan, at least -- until after you've opened them. It might always be there, just beyond the surface, so I've dedicated a lot of time to figure out what can be done about the people themselves, to minimize the risk of the group growing again. It might take a lot of time, and some of them are by no means redeemable. There are plenty of people like myself, who never did anything heinous but also nearly did, and I hope that shock from realizing they were lied to broke them out of whatever they were dealing with at the time. there are plenty who never got that shock and are still vulnerable to the movement scooping them back in, again. Laws governing cyberharassment will probably be a great step forward -- making it illegal and punishable would at the least keep them from gathering openly, and if they can't gather openly, they'd have to go underground for it...and many won't put in that effort.

From there, we'd need to work on behavioral things. The why, for instance, they feel the way they do, and the causes of that in particular. We'd need more psych than I can muster on that end, though.

Given enough time, the internet can be ready for the much diminished group that started this, and we can push them into the dark and keep them there. It doesn't permanently solve the problem, as we'll also likely have to change our culture to ensure things like "the friendzone" is something to be happy about(I have a new friend ) than sad about (She was only using me! D.

Given all of those, it's possible to seal them away, where their fucked up ways will die a natural death and the causes of it are amended so they never happen again.

 

[Prodigal]

Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly think that a lot of people who go into Gamergate threads and act proud of not knowing anything are genuinely proud of not knowing anything. It's really easy to see a conflict and say "I'm superior to all of these people because I'm in the middle!", especially if you don't know anything about it.

Willful ignorance. The worst kind.

 

[Dr. Buni]

My understanding: It's about someone who used her influence with multiple men to get positive game reviews, then hid behind feminist flags when people called her on it.

You are a douche. Just in case you are still reading this thread. Kthxbai.

 

[ShinNatsume]

Why are people posting on a topic they are admittedly ignorant on just to proclaim their ignorance?

Because they maybe dont know about gamergate and want some infos about it. How is this a bad thing?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

Good Shit!

 

[cosmicblizzard]

I think this was more true early on. When Adam Baldwin created the Gamergate label and the Gamergate narrative shifted their origin to be a response to "death of gamers" articles that nobody bothered to read, I think it lured in a lot of people who were interested in completely different things. People who thought it was a defense of gaming like in the Jack Thompson days, people who genuinely thought that it was there to criticize the industry, etc. But all that these people contributed was defending the Gamergate movement and insisting that it was really what they hoped it was, while failing to notice or understand what the rest of the group was doing.

I do recall a post from someone who said that they were frustrated by the fact that Gamergate wasn't acting the way they wanted it to, but it took them a while to realize that they couldn't do anything to influence it into becoming something constructive.

I'm still seeing it from internet personalities that won't let it go, even if a lot have shed the label. Like I watch Shoe0nhead or her boyfriend talk about gamergate on the pro side and then I go to gaf and watch actual victims talk about it on the anti side and it just feels like people are talking about completely different things.

Though I've only admittedly tried to learn about it in any great capacity recently, it's still confusing.

 

[Outrun]

These chimps are a f-ing embarrassment on humanity.

These cowards should step out of the shadows, if they really believe in their convictions.

 

[Fat4all]

Because they maybe dont know about gamergate and want some infos about it. How is this a bad thing?

No, they go into the threads to say they don't know what it is, then intentionally don't learn what it is so the next time a thread comes up they can say it again in that thread.

It's nothing but ego masturbation, proudly proclaiming that they never learned what it is.

 

[Moonkid]

Depends where are you living. The covering in german media was close to zero.

So before you acuse someone else to "get out of his bubble" think about his circumstances and that he is probably not a american citizen.

I agree that it's quite easy to let this topic slip past you, I myself wasn't informed on it for about a year and it certainly wasn't a news story from a local network that got me to understand Gamergate. Having said that, I don't think geography really matters with the Internet and it certainly isn't an excuse when you're engaging in online communities such as Neogaf. In my case, it wasn't even Neogaf where I learned about it properly. I live in New Zealand and as part of my Media Studies course we learned about Gamergate and dug into the relevant attitudes and ideologies that helped it become a movement, as well as of course technology's role in facilitating it. I do somewhat sympathise with people still not knowing, or not wanting to know, but I do believe you should be at least a little informed on the matter or make an effort to.

 

[Bastables]

Because they maybe dont know about gamergate and want some infos about it. How is this a bad thing?

Yeah you seem to have confused proclaiming ignorance with asking questions, the former is literally not the latter.

 

[Sorcerer]

Feel so bad for Zoe, loved Depression Quest enough to make a steam controller profile for it. I think I am the only one.
The game is well written, I could identify with choices your character can make. So much hate for someone who was clearly trying to do something good and helpful with her game.

 

[uncredited male]

It has been over a year now where every GG thread has people supposedly ignorant of it asking for an explanation about it. Then they deliver a crafted talking point in response to this "new" info they have discovered.

It is not like any of this is hidden from the mainstream searches. After a while the benefit of the doubt gets eroded.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Because they maybe dont know about gamergate and want some infos about it. How is this a bad thing?

Because it's been about three years and if you actually wanted to know you probably would by now. People proclaiming not to know what it is are making useless posts in threads about exactly that subject.

 

[Astarte]

GamerGate is shit because every time I try to explain that I like big anime titties I get called GamerGate
The other side can also eat my ass

 

[TheGeniusArcana]

Because it's been about three years and if you actually wanted to know you probably would by now. You proclaiming not to know what it is are useless posts in threads about exactly that subject.

It also doesn't help that these people literally come into these threads to say that after several other people have already explained it.

 

[exmachina64]

Maybe I'm naive, but I honestly think that a lot of people who go into Gamergate threads and act proud of not knowing anything are genuinely proud of not knowing anything. It's really easy to see a conflict and say "I'm superior to all of these people because I'm in the middle!", especially if you don't know anything about it.

You're describing a symptom of American anti-intellectualism.

Feel so bad for Zoe, loved Depression Quest enough to make a steam controller profile for it. I think I am the only one.
The game is well written, I could identify with choices your character can make. So much hate for someone who was clearly trying to do something good and helpful with her game.

You're not alone, I loved it too.

 

[Fat4all]

You're describing a symptom of American anti-intellectualism.

Exactly.

A fucking terrible trend.

 

[Sou Da]

I'm still seeing it from internet personalities that won't let it go, even if a lot have shed the label. Like I watch Shoe0nhead or her boyfriend talk about gamergate on the pro side and then I go to gaf and watch actual victims talk about it on the anti side and it just feels like people are talking about completely different things.

Though I've only admittedly tried to learn about it in any great capacity recently, it's still confusing.

Every one of the videos on her channel looks like tap dancing, don lemon levels of pandering.

 

[Fou-Lu]

Feel so bad for Zoe, loved Depression Quest enough to make a steam controller profile for it. I think I am the only one.
The game is well written, I could identify with choices your character can make. So much hate for someone who was clearly trying to do something good and helpful with her game.

I actually used Depression Quest to describe how I was feeling to someone once. I thought it was perfect for what it was.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

Fuck Gamergate, but you had your 15 minutes, now move on.

What the fuck is wrong with you. Why are you throwing shade at Zoe?

 

[gabbo]

So I'm sorry if this has been covered earlier, but the first page turned into hammer the junior, and I may have missed it on page2, but does this have any real legal implications as far as precedent is concerned?

Glad it happened and hope it leads to more, but I'm curious if it has any real weight beyond this case.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

Depends where are you living. The covering in german media was close to zero.

So before you acuse someone else to "get out of his bubble" think about his circumstances and that he is probably not a american citizen.

No, that's not an excuse.

I know nothing about Gears of War and not interested at all in it. You know what I do when I see its thread pops up? I don't click on it. If for some reason I become interested enough to click on it, I'd read the entire thread or at least some pages of it. If after that I'm still interested enough to even want to know more or comment on it, I'd certainly wouldn't post "you know, people, I have no idea what this game is" and leave it at that, as if I was incapable formulating even the slightest of logical thought and had more interest in seeing my own post up there rather than the actual thread subject. And that's just a game, not a subject I actually know is charged with a lot of tension.

Because it's basic courtesy.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Good. What a shitshow this whole thing has been.

GamerGate is shit because every time I try to explain that I like big anime titties I get called GamerGate
The other side can also eat my ass

Hahahaha.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

Every one the videos on her channel looks like tap dancing, don lemon levels of pandering.

Never said I agreed with her or even enjoy her content. Only heard about her from people I follow that are friends with her like h3h3, but she just seems to have a slightly more passionate view than a surprisingly large amount of biggish internet personalities, which just confuses me more.

 

[exmachina64]

So I'm sorry if this has been covered earlier, but the first page turned into hammer the junior, and I may have missed it on page2, but does this have any real legal implications as far as precedent is concerned?

Glad it happened and hope it leads to more, but I'm curious if it has any real weight beyond this case.

No, this case relates to a restraining order Zoe filed against her ex-boyfriend. I'm not familiar with all the details, but his online fake rant that started GG was the most successful avenue by which he tried to ruin her life after their relationship ended.

This was a civil case where he argued that the restraining order prevented him from using his First Amendment rights, i.e. preventing him from harassing, stalking, using hate speech and doxxing Zoe is an infringement on his First Amendment rights. That's something that's generally never going to hold up in court, otherwise restraining orders would have been neutered some time ago.

The ex-boyfriend got away from any real consequences for his actions when the criminal case had to be dropped. This case probably won't establish precedent for future cases, unless specific internet users received restraining orders when a woman is attacked by large numbers of people on the internet.

 

[gabbo]

No, this case relates to a restraining order Zoe filed against her ex-boyfriend. I'm not familiar with all the details, but his online fake rant that started GG was the most successful avenue by which he tried to ruin her life after their relationship ended.

This was a civil case where he argued that the restraining order prevented him from using his First Amendment rights, i.e. preventing him from harassing, stalking, using hate speech and doxxing Zoe is an infringement on his First Amendment rights. That's something that's generally never going to hold up in court, otherwise restraining orders would have been neutered some time ago.

The ex-boyfriend got away from any real consequences for his actions when the criminal case had to be dropped. This case probably won't establish precedent for future cases, unless specific internet users received restraining orders when a woman is attacked by large numbers of people on the internet.

I was aware she dropped the criminal case, but wasn't sure what this case covered or how far its scope reached.Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[True Fire]

My understanding: It's about someone who used her influence with multiple men to get positive game reviews, then hid behind feminist flags when people called her on it.

I know the ban hammer has already fallen, but wow.

 

[Primus]

This was a civil case where he argued that the restraining order prevented him from using his First Amendment rights, i.e. preventing him from harassing, stalking, using hate speech and doxxing Zoe is an infringement on his First Amendment rights. That's something that's generally never going to hold up in court, otherwise restraining orders would have been neutered some time ago.

The thing is, Zoe has actually been trying to drop the gag order and the case for almost a year now. Eron's the one who's been actively fighting to keep the court suit going, because basically he's a horrible person who isn't done trying to shit all over Zoe's life. As long as the suit is ongoing, he can keep forcing Zoe to go to court, deal with the legal issues, and just never move on.

Happily, the court today decided that yeah, Zoe's totally within her rights to drop the case, especially due to the harassment it's caused her. They made no real ruling on the First Amendment issues, instead dismissing the now moot case.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

No, this case relates to a restraining order Zoe filed against her ex-boyfriend. I'm not familiar with all the details, but his online fake rant that started GG was the most successful avenue by which he tried to ruin her life after their relationship ended.

This was a civil case where he argued that the restraining order prevented him from using his First Amendment rights, i.e. preventing him from harassing, stalking, using hate speech and doxxing Zoe is an infringement on his First Amendment rights. That's something that's generally never going to hold up in court, otherwise restraining orders would have been neutered some time ago.

The ex-boyfriend got away from any real consequences for his actions when the criminal case had to be dropped. This case probably won't establish precedent for future cases, unless specific internet users received restraining orders when a woman is attacked by large numbers of people on the internet.

So what was expected by reality.
*dusts hands*
What did that fucking moron think would happen?
NateLaughingTaunt.gif

 

[DeadlyVenomGames]

Her lawyer's advise her to rescind the gag order because Eron had the funds to fight it, so the case was thrown out all together.

That is a win? Sounds more like a push.

 

[Fat4all]

Her lawyer's advise her to rescind the gag order because Eron had the funds to fight it, so the case was thrown out all together.

That is a win? Sounds more like a push.

That's old news, this is about the update in the OP.

 

[Zambayoshi]

The ex-boyfriend got away from any real consequences for his actions when the criminal case had to be dropped.

I wasn't aware it 'had to be dropped'. I thought she dropped it voluntarily.

The thing is, Zoe has actually been trying to drop the gag order and the case for almost a year now. Eron's the one who's been actively fighting to keep the court suit going, because basically he's a horrible person who isn't done trying to shit all over Zoe's life. As long as the suit is ongoing, he can keep forcing Zoe to go to court, deal with the legal issues, and just never move on.

I would have thought if it had been an abuse of process the court would have prevented Eron Gjoni from continuing with the case. Whether or not he's a horrible person, it sounds like there were legitimate legal questions that he wanted answers to. The judgment basically says, as far as I can see, that when a court makes a restraining order it needs to rule on first amendment issues and also consider whether cross-examination should be allowed. The court also declined to rule on these issues post-facto because the restraining order had been rescinded. I may be wrong though as I'm not that familiar with US law.

 

[exmachina64]

The thing is, Zoe has actually been trying to drop the gag order and the case for almost a year now. Eron's the one who's been actively fighting to keep the court suit going, because basically he's a horrible person who isn't done trying to shit all over Zoe's life. As long as the suit is ongoing, he can keep forcing Zoe to go to court, deal with the legal issues, and just never move on.

Happily, the court today decided that yeah, Zoe's totally within her rights to drop the case, especially due to the harassment it's caused her. They made no real ruling on the First Amendment issues, instead dismissing the now moot case.

So what was expected by reality.
*dusts hands*
What did that fucking moron think would happen?
NateLaughingTaunt.gif

Yeah, Eron doesn't seem like someone who can move on and GG is his claim to fame.

 

[chaislip3]

I'm happy for her. This Gamergate bullshit has been disgusting since Day 1.

 

[gabbo]

I wasn't aware it 'had to be dropped'. I thought she dropped it voluntarily.



I would have thought if it had been an abuse of process the court would have prevented Eron Gjoni from continuing with the case. Whether or not he's a horrible person, it sounds like there were legitimate legal questions that he wanted answers to. The judgment basically says, as far as I can see, that when a court makes a restraining order it needs to rule on first amendment issues and also consider whether cross-examination should be allowed. The court also declined to rule on these issues post-facto because the restraining order had been rescinded. I may be wrong though as I'm not that familiar with US law.

I believe she stated it was just more effort than it was worth, and was actually a hindrance to moving on from the whole ordeal, so, sort of?

 

[SneakersSO]

So I'm sorry if this has been covered earlier, but the first page turned into hammer the junior, and I may have missed it on page2, but does this have any real legal implications as far as precedent is concerned?

Glad it happened and hope it leads to more, but I'm curious if it has any real weight beyond this case.

Yes, it does, but not in the way many people are 'assuming'. Technically speaking she didn't really 'win', so much as the appeals court did what it was supposed to do & decided not to hear his constitutional grievances as a part of his appellate process.

ZQ filed to have her original suit vacated, citing the restraining/gag order had become moot. But, in the note closing the case on this case, the court basically has given a loophole to allow this case to be used as precedent in some lower courts when bringing up first amendment breaches. It is not the full victory her ex wanted, which was to air his constitutional grievances to the appeal court so that this case could then be used in similar cases where first amendment breaches are concerned. Its just now, this case can't be used as a full-on defense. You can use this case to present an argument, but you'd have to see it through.

Had he been able to present his constitutional grievances and had the appeals court throw the case out afterwards, people in the state of MA at the very least would be able to point to this case when faced in similar situations & have the case thrown outright.

 

[Trojan]

Ex boyfriend with an axe to grind started a witch hunt against her that spiraled into a harassment campaign against women perceived to be "SJWs".

This is the best one-sentence description of GG I've read, and it's still fucking sad to reflect on how sideways this whole thing went. No one deserves what she had to go through.

 

[LUFTRAUSER]

My understanding: It's about someone who used her influence with multiple men to get positive game reviews, then hid behind feminist flags when people called her on it.

This doesn't happen in real life. And the only way you could ever believe this is if you have had literally zero experience with real women. Or actual feminism. Or even just real life in general.

I feel so sorry for you, and people like you.

 

[exmachina64]

I wasn't aware it 'had to be dropped'. I thought she dropped it voluntarily.

She did; from Zoe's response on the matter, I'm not sure whether there were issues on legal grounds or she dropped it over the amount of abuse it continued to draw. Huffington Post did a write-up about the situation in February.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/zoe-quinn-gamergate-charges_us_56bc1d13e4b0b40245c56102

 

[Shaanyboi]

That's awesome, but lord knows she's not going to see the end of it... if anything, asshat GamerGaters are going to be extra pissed off now.

Fucking pond scum...

 

[aeolist]

GamerGate is shit because every time I try to explain that I like big anime titties I get called GamerGate
The other side can also eat my ass

this is my favorite post

 

[Zambayoshi]

Yes, it does, but not in the way many people are 'assuming'. Technically speaking she didn't really 'win', so much as the appeals court did what it was supposed to do & decided not to hear his constitutional grievances as a part of his appellate process.

ZQ filed to have her original suit vacated, citing the restraining/gag order had become moot. But, in the note closing the case on this case, the court basically has given a loophole to allow this case to be used as precedent in some lower courts when bringing up first amendment breaches. It is not the full victory her ex wanted, which was to air his constitutional grievances to the appeal court so that this case could then be used in similar cases where first amendment breaches are concerned. Its just now, this case can't be used as a full-on defense. You can use this case to present an argument, but you'd have to see it through.

Had he been able to present his constitutional grievances and had the appeals court throw the case out afterwards, people in the state of MA at the very least would be able to point to this case when faced in similar situations & have the case thrown outright.

Thanks for that - very enlightening

 

[Aselith]

Because they maybe dont know about gamergate and want some infos about it. How is this a bad thing?

No one will claim someone did something wrong and then say but they don't know anything about it unless they're trying to damage the person. This is like gossip person 101. "Oh yeah, I heard from a little bird that Dave Callahan and Martha Kent down the street are having an affair but I don't know if that's true! Just what I heard!"

People who actually want information will look into it or ask for information not make accusations while claiming ignorance.

 

[...Scatter...]

GamerGate is shit because every time I try to explain that I like big anime titties I get called GamerGate
The other side can also eat my ass

LOL - I will stand up for your pornographic rights.

Glad Zoe got a win. No-one deserves to be put on blast and harassed like she's been. On the flip side she was able to use that pulpit to advance some progressive messages that needed to be addressed. Good for her for standing up.

 

[Renekton]

Eron must have a lot of money to burn.

 

[grosvenor_92]

Good for her and hopefully it doesn't lead to more harassment