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[*Splinter]

Dragonz I am referring to the arguments in this post:

VOTE: Tomakasatnav

First half of the day Tomakasatnav was completely under my radar. He was posting fine ish but I never really built a strong impression of him, even forgetting he was playing at times.

More recently he's been posting less, or even stopped altogether? But so far I don't think anyone has mentioned him. I'd even say that Ouro skipped over him for timetokill (inactivity argument) and Dusk skipped over him for batsnacks (no suspicion argument). Obviously one or both of those could be honest mistakes, but we'll cross that bridge after toma flips scum.

As far as day 1 lynches go, I'm feeling pretty good about this choice and will be pushing for others to join me on it. For now I'd like counterarguments from anyone, and a reads list from Tomakasatnav.

Basically that Ouro/Dusk could have mentioned him but didn't. If he's scum, it's possible there is a reason for that.

 

[*Splinter]

RE: tomakasatnav (or however he spells that)
He's played that game in every game I've been in with him. So at least he's consistent there. Eventually, he will need to get lynched, but I believe we have stronger candidates for today (dusk, exodu5, hyper, euphemism)

Oh, and you know you can search by player name using the search function? It's not as perfect as isolating post, but it's better than nothing.

Ok, why would you say each of these is a stronger candidate?

 

[Timeaisis]

Ok, why would you say each of these is a stronger candidate?

Tom hasn't really been suspicious. Just not here.

Exodu5 for the reason I've and others have outlined when I voted for him (mostly fluffl posts with a weird intro post). Hyper for going hard day one and leveling off. Euphemism for the odd vote reasoning for Salva yesterday. Dusk for the very quick jump on Hyper early in the day.

 

[*Splinter]

Tom hasn't really been suspicious. Just not here.

Exodu5 for the reason I've and others have outlined when I voted for him (mostly fluffl posts with a weird intro post). Hyper for going hard day one and leveling off. Euphemism for the odd vote reasoning for Salva yesterday. Dusk for the very quick jump on Hyper early in the day.

Exodu5 has posted mostly fluff and then said he doesn't care about day 1. Not super helpful, but this would be a bad strategy whether he's town or scum.

Why would scum Hyper do that?

Euphemism didn't give any reason for voting Salva, unless I missed it.

Why would scum Dusk do that? Why do you even label that as a suspicious action?

 

[batsnacks]

dusk said hyperactivity was trying to bait people into claiming.

Hyperactivity was posting a lot at the time I think a mafia Dusk could have been looking for reasons to make hyperactivity look bad.

 

[Timeaisis]

Exodu5 has posted mostly fluff and then said he doesn't care about day 1. Not super helpful, but this would be a bad strategy whether he's town or scum.

Why would scum Hyper do that?

Euphemism didn't give any reason for voting Salva, unless I missed it.

Why would scum Dusk do that? Why do you even label that as a suspicious action?

Thought it was an easy scum bandwagon?

As for Euph, yeah not giving a reason to vote is weird.

 

[SalvaPot]

Vote: No Lynch

I am the Social Drunk after all.

 

[Retroid]

Vote: No Lynch

There really is nothing more to today. Lets not risk the odds and go for the sure thing.

 

[Kyanrute]

filthy no lynchers swarming like parasites

 

[Timeaisis]

For the record, I haven't really posted much fluff. I just find day 1 pretty boring and don't like voting off instinct as my instincts were pretty horrible last game I played town. I stand by my no lynch. I realize no lynch is not the popular option here and won't win anyways, this is just for me.

Vote: No lynch

I'll try to stay caught up. I don't plan on making any reads list or forming a solid opinion about anyone at this point.

So you want people to ignore you D1, huh.

 

[Ourobolus]

Vote: No Lynch

I am the Social Drunk after all.

sigh

Vote: No Lynch

There really is nothing more to today. Lets not risk the odds and go for the sure thing.

...

 

[Barrylocke]

Wait, was that end of day then?

 

[Ourobolus]

Wait, was that end of day then?

no, we have like another 24 hours

 

[Ourobolus]

Vote: No Lynch

There really is nothing more to today. Lets not risk the odds and go for the sure thing.

i agree

Vote: Retroid

 

[Dusk Soldier]

dusk said hyperactivity was trying to bait people into claiming.

Hyperactivity was posting a lot at the time I think a mafia Dusk could have been looking for reasons to make hyperactivity look bad.

I think I should clarify that I don't think he was trying to bait people into roleclaiming. He specifically cautioned people not to do that in fact.

I think his quiz was designed to make it easy for him to consolidate information on our past/present playing styles, and that he was planning to use that info to figure out our roles in the game.

Thought it was an easy scum bandwagon?

As for Euph, yeah not giving a reason to vote is weird.

Is that why you voted for hyperactivity? Because you're a scum player and you thought it was an easy bandwagon?

 

[Barrylocke]

Good, I had just remembered Dusk saying to vote No Lynch for plurality and read it as majority.

I'm more suspicious of Dusk than Salva and Retroid for this reason btw.

Re: WhereAreMahDragonz

I was suspicious of Dragonz very early on and never explained why. Basically I thought she was padding her post count pre- game. She was mostly accused for her low activity last game, and having an extra 25 posts can really help a low activity player, especially in day 1, if people start looking at the post count.

However

She continued to be high activity after the game started. If you take off those 25 she's still among the top post counts, so I can rule out the possibility that this was a cunning ruse.

Without that, I don't have a strong read on her either way. I know she's had a couple of fishy posts, the main thing I remember is her weird focus on Hyper's early vote and trying to build a narrative around that. I'd say I lean very slightly scum on her now, but theres not much in it.

I was going to wait until day 2 since I haven't really been on anyone's radar, but I guess I'll ask now. Why was I on your suspicious list?

 

[SalvaPot]

Good, I had just remembered Dusk saying to vote No Lynch for plurality and read it as majority.

I'm more suspicious of Dusk than Salva and Retroid for this reason btw.


I was going to wait until day 2 since I haven't really been on anyone's radar, but I guess I'll ask now. Why was I on your suspicious list?

You are the only one who read plurality as majority, don't blame us.

 

[Barrylocke]

You are the only one who read plurality as majority, don't blame us.

It may be less suspicious if it had actually been majority instead of plurality, but it's still pretty suspicious. (maybe even more suspicious, if you go by my "it's not the sharpest razor in the Occam Box" rule that I've realized I tend to go by)

 

[Timeaisis]

I think I should clarify that I don't think he was trying to bait people into roleclaiming. He specifically cautioned people not to do that in fact.

I think his quiz was designed to make it easy for him to consolidate information on our past/present playing styles, and that he was planning to use that info to figure out our roles in the game.



Is that why you voted for hyperactivity? Because you're a scum player and you thought it was an easy bandwagon?

Yup, just like you. I sure hope we win.

VOTE: Dusk Soldier

 

[*Splinter]

Thought it was an easy scum bandwagon?

As for Euph, yeah not giving a reason to vote is weird.

Uh huh, yep, sure is weird, very weird, so weird.

Do you think he's scum?



Barry: I don't remember to be honest, I'll have to go back and look. About to go out so I wont get to this until tomorrow, sorry.


Everyone: vote Tomakasatnav or give me a damn good reason not to.

Timeaisis' reason hasn't qualified, but his refusal is duly noted.

 

[Ourobolus]

Everyone: vote Tomakasatnav or give me a damn good reason not to.

Timeaisis' reason hasn't qualified, but his refusal is duly noted.

toma will probably be on a train for the whole night phase anyway so we're probably safe

and retroid is like, right there, begging to be lynched

 

[*Splinter]

toma will probably be on a train for the whole night phase anyway so we're probably safe

and retroid is like, right there, begging to be lynched

If you can convince me that Retroid is a better lynch than toma than I'll swap.

Better, not equal

 

[Timeaisis]

Uh huh, yep, sure is weird, very weird, so weird.

Do you think he's scum?



Barry: I don't remember to be honest, I'll have to go back and look. About to go out so I wont get to this until tomorrow, sorry.


Everyone: vote Tomakasatnav or give me a damn good reason not to.

Timeaisis' reason hasn't qualified, but his refusal is duly noted.

I'm not refusing to vote toma, I just don't see the point right now.

 

[timetokill]

I'm sorry, i promise to devote as much time as needed today to catch up on this thread today. Its a little hard when you get admitted late but i will do my best.

So cute



Man my sleep schedule is all messed up. Why is no lynch so popular?

 

[Ourobolus]

If you can convince me that Retroid is a better lynch than toma than I'll swap.

Better, not equal

he has a kanye avatar

 

[Hyperactivity]

while dusk's reaction to my first post was really over aggressive, I'm not entirely sure if his behavior is enough to call him scum. I'm somewhat worried of the possibility that he's an offbeat town

Splinter said it best: why would a scum dusk soldier act this way?

 

[Kyanrute]

VOTE: Retroid

I really don't like the no lynch bunch. There is a bunch of good candidates there and I am sure there is a scum hiding there, since the no lynchers total to five now I think, though not all of them have voted yet. Retroid hasn't really said anything besides the no lynch talk and that too has been nothing but the usual no lynch arguments that everyone should be aware of.

 

[Barrylocke]

VOTE: Retroid

I really don't like the no lynch bunch. There is a bunch of good candidates there and I am sure there is a scum hiding there, since the no lynchers total to five now I think, though not all of them have voted yet. Retroid hasn't really said anything besides the no lynch talk and that too has been nothing but the usual no lynch arguments that everyone should be aware of.

Why Retroid over someone like SalvaPot who-spirited in, made a random vote, and then a no lynch vote later? At least retroid has been consistent and vocal with his views on this from the beginning, which makes me feel like it's a personal believe or playstyle than misdirection.

 

[*Splinter]

Retroid is a null at worst. If you want to vote for a null, vote toma.

Otherwise I'm coming for you

 

[Dusk Soldier]

he has a kanye avatar

I tried using that reason the last game I played with him. It didn't quite work. lol.

 

[Kyanrute]

Why Retroid over someone like SalvaPot who-spirited in, made a random vote, and then a no lynch vote later? At least retroid has been consistent and vocal with his views on this from the beginning, which makes me feel like it's a personal believe or playstyle than misdirection.

Bit of a feeling. Exodu5 seems too open about his indifference to everything to be scum. Salva too seems indifferent but he just shows this by posting meaningless things. Retroid is the odd one out, he is invested in this. He defends himself, he cares about that, he wants to survive. Is he afraid? Perhaps, we'll see.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

I do find Salva and Retroid voting the same thing so close together suspicious.

Especially since there was no discussion on Salva's part about voting no lynch prior to doing so.

Almost like they decided to do it while they were the in scum chat, and were in such a hurry to drive up the vote count that way, that they forgot to have a fake discussion about it here first.

 

[Barrylocke]

Bit of a feeling. Exodu5 seems too open about his indifference to everything to be scum. Salva too seems indifferent but he just shows this by posting meaningless things. Retroid is the odd one out, he is invested in this. He defends himself, he cares about that, he wants to survive. Is he afraid? Perhaps, we'll see.

Afraid of what? The only thing he's done suspicious is want a no lynch today. There's no reason for him to be that invested in survival on day 1 when everyones on the block.

 

[Kyanrute]

Afraid of what? The only thing he's done suspicious is want a no lynch today. There's no reason for him to be that invested in survival on day 1 when everyones on the block.

Death, of course. A scum death hurts the team rather much, even more so when it happens on day one. If Exodu5 or Salva were scum (what they still can be even if Retroid flips scum), shouldn't they be more invested in defending themselves instead of openly dismissing all and everything? Why would a scum player vote no lynch and just disappear?

 

[Hyperactivity]

I do find Salva and Retroid voting the same thing so close together suspicious.

Especially since there was no discussion on Salva's part about voting no lynch prior to doing so.

Almost like they decided to do it while they were the in scum chat, and were in such a hurry to drive up the vote count that way, that they forgot to have a fake discussion about it here first.

they voted 13 minutes apart from each other, and I'm giving salva the benefit of the doubt and guessing that he was shit posting when voted no lynch

almost like is the key word here, cause it typically helps the rest of us know "I'm about to pull a story out of my ass, who even needs hard evidence anyways"

 

[batsnacks]

Just my 2 cents but Retroid plays like this every game he even said he is aware that doing this makes people like lynching him on day 1. I don't endorse what he's doing, and there are obviously legitimate reasons it doesn't help town, but why is mafia Retroid playing in a way that he knows from experience will make him easy to lynch.

Also the no lynchers have been around since the beginning it seems weird to see steam gathering to lynch one of them when we were just starting to make progress on a semi-consensus.

 

[batsnacks]

Isnt town more likely to be totally stubborn and try to make the game about them and how they want to play, all others be damned? Mafia blends.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Death, of course. A scum death hurts the team rather much, even more so when it happens on day one. If Exodu5 or Salva were scum (what they still can be even if Retroid flips scum), shouldn't they be more invested in defending themselves instead of openly dismissing all and everything? Why would a scum player vote no lynch and just disappear?

main thing that's bothering me is that they seem to be taking voting no lynch as their cue to disappear. imo, no lynch makes sense until you see for yourself the issues for when it was done. but them giving up on the day as a whole bothers me more, and I'm not sure if I should take that as a sign of a fatigued townie or people who aren't too comfortable as scum and day 1s trying to avoid engaging more

it would make more sense for new scum, to just sorta disengage, but both of them have been scum before. they have both been similar about no lynching and day 1ams before iirc, but I remember theexodu5 being much more involved in Harry Potter

 

[Kyanrute]

3 current no lynchers and up to 5 have considered the possibility, plenty of room to blend in.

 

[Timeaisis]

main thing that's bothering me is that they seem to be taking voting no lynch as their cue to disappear. imo, no lynch makes sense until you see for yourself the issues for when it was done. but them giving up on the day as a whole bothers me more, and I'm not sure if I should take that as a sign of a fatigued townie or people who aren't too comfortable as scum and day 1s trying to avoid engaging more

it would make more sense for new scum, to just sorta disengage, but both of them have been scum before. they have both been similar about no lynching and day 1ams before iirc, but I remember theexodu5 being much more involved in Harry Potter

Yeah, which exactly why Exodu5 sticks out to me so much. He voted no lynch yesterday seemingly as an excuse to disappear. He even said he wasn't going to form an opinion on anyone else today.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Isnt town more likely to be totally stubborn and try to make the game about them and how they want to play, all others be damned? Mafia blends.

there are many ways to play town, and many ways to play scum

sometimes scum players get a break because of this logic, and oftentimes we mislynch stubborn/overly aggressive towbies because the entire town is "90% sure" this person is scum

 

[Kyanrute]

main thing that's bothering me is that they seem to be taking voting no lynch as their cue to disappear. imo, no lynch makes sense until you see for yourself the issues for when it was done. but them giving up on the day as a whole bothers me more, and I'm not sure if I should take that as a sign of a fatigued townie or people who aren't too comfortable as scum and day 1s trying to avoid engaging more

it would make more sense for new scum, to just sorta disengage, but both of them have been scum before. they have both been similar about no lynching and day 1ams before iirc, but I remember theexodu5 being much more involved in Harry Potter

I dislike the total lack of commitment too and the way I see it is that they die on day two unless they bring something major to the table. But still I wish we could kill them all.

 

[TheExodu5]

I was heavily invested in HP since I had a lot of time and it was my first mafia game. I formed a strong opinion day 1 in Disney which ended up being wrong and hammering down on a player that ended up being town was detrimental. I'm playing this game differently.

So far, the most suspicious characters are those advocating to lynch the no lynchers. No lynchers are easy scapegoats for scum to bandwagon against, since no lynching is seen as a faux pas in GAFIA.

 

[SalvaPot]

I do find Salva and Retroid voting the same thing so close together suspicious.

Especially since there was no discussion on Salva's part about voting no lynch prior to doing so.

Almost like they decided to do it while they were the in scum chat, and were in such a hurry to drive up the vote count that way, that they forgot to have a fake discussion about it here first.

Yes there is, read again, I only have like 5 posts, it should be easy to find.

 

[Kyanrute]

I was heavily invested in HP since I had a lot of time and it was my first mafia game. I formed a strong opinion day 1 in Disney which ended up being wrong and hammering down on a player that ended up being town was detrimental. I'm playing this game differently.

So far, the most suspicious characters are those advocating to lynch the no lynchers. No lynchers are easy scapegoats for scum to bandwagon against, since no lynching is seen as a faux pas in GAFIA.

Do you think all the current no lynchers are town?

 

[SalvaPot]

Do you think all the current no lynchers are town?

I am not town, I am a neutral, I am the Obnoxious Drunk and I annoy people with my drunken stupor, making them fail their night action.

 

[Barrylocke]

I am not town, I am a neutral, I am the Obnoxious Drunk and I annoy people with my drunken stupor, making them fail their night action.

If you said you were town, I would have almost believed you.

 

[Hyperactivity]

I am not town, I am a neutral, I am the Obnoxious Drunk and I annoy people with my drunken stupor, making them fail their night action.

I'm gonna leave you to a possible vigilante, but you're being especially... obtuse? this game

 

[SalvaPot]

If you said you were town, I would have almost believed you.

That is because I am actually tow-


hehehe oh I almost believed myself.

 

[tomakasatnav]

Football is on and I'm in a bar, let's catch up with some Bar Mafia!