LifEndz
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I laugh that they brought him back for two short scenes and didn't even give him a single line of dialogue. He only got to showcase his ability to look dumbstruck.
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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 6
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I laugh that they brought him back for two short scenes and didn't even give him a single line of dialogue. He only got to showcase his ability to look dumbstruck.
They had to bring him back eventually, and they couldn't have him actually interfering with the overarching story itself. He had to die, and the fact that we got the Battle of the Bastards that we did out of it made it for a lot more than nothing.
Or we could just shop him into that canoe with Gendry, because that's really the only other option.
We needed more Ramsay hate fodder, because we clearly hadn't gotten enough.
Rickon and Shaggydog were nothing more than an actual Shaggy Dog story.
They weren't even that in the show.
Like a Shaggydog story needs build up to actually be a Shaggydog story.
Here he's already good as dead when he comes back.
crimzonflame
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Why didn't Lyanna tell people she wasn't kidnapped? Would have saved a few lives.
They would've said she was forced to say it
toddhunter
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Stannis didn't die in the show. He is chilling with Catelyn, Jorah and Gendry on Euron's boat.
Yeah, kid was just a prop. Maybe they didn't feel like paying the actor more for having dialogue in his brief appearance.
I don't think it would have mattered too much. Her brother would've still went to KL uber pissed off and King Aerys would have still been complete batshit.
Exactly why I was hoping Ned would kill her after finding out she willingly ran off and had a Targ baby. He should be pretty pissed at her for getting their father and brother killed.
H.Cornerstone
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I guess that's how I would imagine Lyanna to look like.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Love makes people stupid.
H.Cornerstone
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He became obsessed with the Prince who Was Promised prophecy and thought another child born of fire and ice was the answer.
Why they didn't meet in secret I can't answer.
LifEndz
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Well, she's highborn so she would be subject to an arranged marriage. She was supposed to marry Robert, so I'm guessing that match was made by her father, Rickard Stark. Just going off what happened between Hoster Tully and the blackfish, what she did would be a pretty big affront to her father. Very dumb decision obviously, but hey...the things we do for love.
I made a list of best and worst moments of the season. Tell me if you agree or disagree.
Best:
1) Battle of the Bastards, everything
2) Tower of Joy second half
3) Cersei's trial and the explosion
4) Dany's defeat of the slavers in Meereen
5) The entire "hold the door" sequence
6) Lady Mormont at Bear Island
7) King in the North scene
8) Jon seeing Sansa for the first time
9) Sam's visit to his father
10) The Braavosi theater troupe's plays
Worst:
1) Euron Greyjoy at the Kingsmoot
2) Bad Pussies killing Doran, Areo, and Trystane without any consequence
3) Terminator chase scene with Jason Bourne Arya and the waif
4) Dothraki talking about the color of Dany's pussy hair
5) The Riverlands conclusion and what they did with Brynden Tully's offscreen death
6) Any and all scenes of Tyrion drinking or telling jokes with Missandei and Grey Worm.
7) The bunghole scene from episode 8. I just...what
8) Pycelle shitting scene
9) Ramsay murdering his father, stepmother, and brother without any consequence.
10) Sam's story not really amounting to anything.
Best acting:
1) Jonathan Pryce
2) Liam Cunningham
3) Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
4) Tobias Menzies
5) Anton Lesser
6) Bella Ramsey (funny last name considering)
7) Ellie Kendrick
8) Lena Headey
9) Gemma Whelan
10) Essie Davis
11) Finn Jones
12) David Bradley
13) Ian Mcshane
14) James Faulkner
15) Alfie Allen (although I hate that they gave him almost nothing to do)
Honorary mention for Kristian Nairn, goodbye old buddy, and Ian Whyte, goodbye old buddies.
Worst Acting:
1) Dean Charles Chapman
2) Aiden Gillen
3) Faye Marsay
4) Kesha Castle-Hughes
5) Jessica Henwick
6) Rosabell Laurenti Sellers
7) Joseph Malwe
8) Lino Facioli
9) Pilou Asbæk
10) Joe Naufahu
It should be noted that these are in no order, and those actors in the "worst" category are not just characters I disliked, but performances that detracted from the experience of watching the show.
Similarly there are plenty of fine actors missing from the 'best" list, but I gave special attention to those who went above and beyond.
Also, every fucking chicken goes to Rory Mccann for confirming the hype next season possibly, and for Miguel Sapochnik for directing the best two episodes in the show's history.
Best:
1) Battle of the Bastards, everything
2) Tower of Joy second half
3) Cersei's trial and the explosion
4) Dany's defeat of the slavers in Meereen
5) The entire "hold the door" sequence
6) Lady Mormont at Bear Island
7) King in the North scene
8) Jon seeing Sansa for the first time
9) Sam's visit to his father
10) The Braavosi theater troupe's plays
Worst:
1) Euron Greyjoy at the Kingsmoot
2) Bad Pussies killing Doran, Areo, and Trystane without any consequence
3) Terminator chase scene with Jason Bourne Arya and the waif
4) Dothraki talking about the color of Dany's pussy hair
5) The Riverlands conclusion and what they did with Brynden Tully's offscreen death
6) Any and all scenes of Tyrion drinking or telling jokes with Missandei and Grey Worm.
7) The bunghole scene from episode 8. I just...what
8) Pycelle shitting scene
9) Ramsay murdering his father, stepmother, and brother without any consequence.
10) Sam's story not really amounting to anything.
Best acting:
1) Jonathan Pryce
2) Liam Cunningham
3) Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
4) Tobias Menzies
5) Anton Lesser
6) Bella Ramsey (funny last name considering)
7) Ellie Kendrick
8) Lena Headey
9) Gemma Whelan
10) Essie Davis
11) Finn Jones
12) David Bradley
13) Ian Mcshane
14) James Faulkner
15) Alfie Allen (although I hate that they gave him almost nothing to do)
Honorary mention for Kristian Nairn, goodbye old buddy, and Ian Whyte, goodbye old buddies.
Worst Acting:
1) Dean Charles Chapman
2) Aiden Gillen
3) Faye Marsay
4) Kesha Castle-Hughes
5) Jessica Henwick
6) Rosabell Laurenti Sellers
7) Joseph Malwe
8) Lino Facioli
9) Pilou Asbæk
10) Joe Naufahu
It should be noted that these are in no order, and those actors in the "worst" category are not just characters I disliked, but performances that detracted from the experience of watching the show.
Similarly there are plenty of fine actors missing from the 'best" list, but I gave special attention to those who went above and beyond.
Also, every fucking chicken goes to Rory Mccann for confirming the hype next season possibly, and for Miguel Sapochnik for directing the best two episodes in the show's history.
Just ask Robb Stark.
toddhunter
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The most likely explanation is that Bran met them using his powers and told them to just run with it, because it would probably work out fine.
It's hard to read that look she was giving when looking back at Little Finger
It's either an "he was right look" or a "I know he is not happy about this because he wants to rule all and how he is going to screw this up"
Jon being the King of the North will be cut short as soon as Bran passes word that he is part of Taryg set.
Plus to be honest, I don't even think Jon wants to be King of the North.
He should have reached our and took Sansa's hand and made her stand beside him though at the end.
LifEndz
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Love and plain old Targaryen boldness? These are the people that told all of westeros that they don't care what they think, they marry brother to sister and won't stop doing it.
Admiral Woofington
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Bran also went to the first Targaryen that was considering boning his sibling and was all "dude it's cool, boning siblings is totally normal"
It wasn't love that made Robb Stark stupid though. He was stupid to begin with.
That doesn't make sense in this context though. Rhaegar in particular not only did not buy into the incest thing, but he was scholarly, loved by the people, and would walk in the crowds and sing to them. He's hardly indicative of "Targaryen boldness" or whatever.
Purple Cheeto
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Because sometimes when you're a gardener you plant some seeds and they end up as really nice tomatoes and sometimes you end up with a bunch of mutant zucchini.
Soyongdori
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To quote Robert Glover (not literally), his hormone got him killed.
DrForester
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Sansa said Jon should be the one to rule Winterfell (least that was the implication I took from her saying he should take the Lord's Quarters). I don't know why she would betray him for doing what she wanted.
No, not really.
LifEndz
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Good point. Well, he was hell bent on the dragon having three heads and his wife was said to have health problems, so I guess he did it for love and to fulfill the dragon having three heads prophecy. I need a third kid, wife is sick, Lyana is banging, problem solved!
BreezyLimbo
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Aye, that's the rub-y.
He wasn't just stealing her away to be with her. He was also protecting her from Robert Baratheon who was a giant piece of shit even back then.
There are not any skilled Pyromancers left that have the knowledge to make wildfire. These are leftover caches from the reign of Aerys.
They covered this earlier in the show like before the Battle of Blackwater.
In short? To get rid of him.
He was a loose end, and if nothing else, season 6 was about getting rid of or tying up loose ends. It's too late to develop new plotlines (Ironborn aside, and that was actually in service of Dany's story) or bring up minor old subplots in a significant way.
That's why this season had by far the highest bodycount of the show so far, they're clearing the board and reducing the plotlines and cast to its core, in preparation for the final two seasons.
I don't blame Bob for not wanting the narrative to drag on for too long. He just wanted his Lyanna back.
Not even in the Citadel?
I read the Littlefinger look as Sansa's gonna be a whiny little you know what next season and use her name to undermine Jon's efforts to rule the north; Meanwhile Jon will be too busy fighting the oncoming army of the dead invasion to notice what she's doing until it's too late and she is somehow captive/dead by a situation of her own making.
Thus will be the fate of Sansa Stark, the princess who would not be queen, who was empowered but wanted power, and ended up with nothing.
Thus will be the fate of Sansa Stark, the princess who would not be queen, who was empowered but wanted power, and ended up with nothing.
DrForester
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Rewatching the episode.
That music during the Tower of Joy => Jon transition is absolutely amazing.
That music during the Tower of Joy => Jon transition is absolutely amazing.
I know.
You know D and D were sitting with Djwadi and Sapochnik like "THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BABY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD."
LegalEagleMike
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fortunately Sam will be heading straight to the "Stuff that kills White Walkers" section of the library.
I thought there were pyromancers in the capital.
DrForester
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Sansa seemed to give a genuine smile at the north rallying behind Jon. Unlike Dany, and unlike Yara, I don't think she had any delusions of becoming Queen in the North. Their ways are to have a King.
Her look to Littlefinger I think is her realizing that Jon just became his enemy and she's going to have to find a way to deal with it.
Her look to Littlefinger I think is her realizing that Jon just became his enemy and she's going to have to find a way to deal with it.
That guy that reads the audio books is still alive I think.
DrForester
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Honestly, this is my biggest problem with GRRM taking so long with the books. Roy Dotrice will almost certainly be dead before he finishes the series, and he won't be able to finish the audiobooks.
This is a really weird response since the groundwork for why Rhaegar did it is all there. This isn't really a case of gardening. GRRM had Jon's parentage mapped out from his outline for book one.
Rhaegar believed that he was the chosen one and when it turned out it couldn't be him, he concluded it had to be his children. When Elia proved he couldn't have anymore of his children, he took Lyanna as a concubine.
Love had nothing to do with why Rhaegar chose Lyanna. Rhaegar only knew Lyanna for a day before he kidnapped her a year later. It's likely that Lyanna filled some pre-requisite to birth the third head of the dragon. And so he kidnapped and then seduced her.
As Marwyn says, prophecy bites your prick off every time. I assume Rhaegar believed he was immortal until he could raise his children to adulthood so they can achieve their destinies. He probably died confused when Robert caved in his chest realizing that he wasn't as important as he thought he was
The show doesn't really go into why though. Likely they're saving it for season 7/8 or they're not going to go into it ever as the show likes to strip a lot of the more fantastical parts out of the books sans the children of the forest's magic grenades.
Well you're misreading then because the inside the episode and interviews are saying Sansa isn't happy that she's not getting any credit and feels agitated over Jon being named KITN.
Sophie Turner even calls Jon naive because he's not paying attention to Sansa.
There's an underlying current that Sansa might sabotage Jon later next season or she might turn against him somehow
The pyromancer that first shows the wildfire to Tyrion says that they've been making more working day and night since Cersei commanded it.
That, and he'll then trip over a copy of Figuring Out How That Sword You Stole From Your Dad Was Forged.
Sam Tarly, the one true savior of Westeros.
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