Familienoberhauptvogel
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UR or grixis delver would have been my guess.
1 thought scour and you're like a 3rd of the way there.
1 thought scour and you're like a 3rd of the way there.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT8| Eldritch Moon - It's only a paper (and digital) moon
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Mega Spooky
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Mega Spooky
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I never understood why scarecrows don't have reach. They're supposed to scare away flying creatures.
Eldritch Moon just isn't very exciting. Some cool cards and nice art but they really didn't push the envelope much outside of the established Standard archetypes. I'm sure I'll have fun drafting it a few times but most of my interest in the set has long since gone flat.
TheBlackMarvel
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I never understood why scarecrows don't have reach. They're supposed to scare away flying creatures.
Scare, not damage. Better if they couldn't be blocked by creatures with flying.
It's a set providing interesting tools, but not really pushing in interesting directions like SoI did- Investigate was completely new.
How about "creatures with flying can't attack you"?
(Obviously a much stronger mechanic, wouldn't go on more than one card).
Giant Panda
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I think with Graf Harvest and Cryptbreaker, modern zombies might become tier 2. I think cryptbreaker straight up replaces diregraf ghoul.
I also want to brew up modern spirits and Grim Flayer + glissa GB delirium.
I also want to brew up modern spirits and Grim Flayer + glissa GB delirium.
TheBlackMarvel
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I never understood why scarecrows don't have reach. They're supposed to scare away flying creatures.
Passing out too much anti-flying stuff that can go into any deck just slows games down.
Yeah, pretty much. I'd probably be a bit more excited if we hadn't already had two sets of lackluster Eldrazi environments recently.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If you're in the MTGO beta, the EDM beta just went up.
"God's Beard!"
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I want to break this in Modern. It's like a Treasure Cruise with a relevant body. Maybe with rituals?
The nice difference between this and Delve is that every Reveler makes the next one better, not worse.
STOP I CAN ONLY GET SO ERECT
EDIT: Just got invited into some sort of CCG beta test...? Like, I don't know if they want to send me cards or something haha
I'm scared that this is the case outside of lands.
Yeah, seems that way, which is extremely depressing.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Just lands, I imagine. They figured out they make a lot of money selling ten dollar packs every year in supplemental sets. They consider everything else overpowered in a vacuum.
Thoughtseize probably soured them on the idea of doing it again, but the reality is that Thoughtseize in Standard was far less damaging to Standard than the invention of battlelands, so they probably should think about that.
Yeah they're done with reprints in Standard sets, I imagine. The popularity of Eternal Masters + Modern Masters has shown that they can reprint these extremely expensive cards in one-off sets that have new art, etc. but won't bring down the price of the original so they can maintain their "OOH AHH ITS EXPENSIVE" status.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Neither of them were that bad. I didn't even have a problem with RTR/Theros standard.
SigmasonicX
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They've mentioned in an article, this year I believe, that reprinting cards that are known to be strong warp the environment in multiple ways. First, it draws attention away from the cards in the set that are actually new. Since the card has appeared before, players get even more bored than usual when it's important in Standard (see Thoughtseize). It speeds up how quickly Standard decks are finalized, since again, they're known to be powerful.
And of course, they now know they can print sets made up entirely of reprints and have them sell well.
EDIT: Note that they actually have increased the number of reprints of non-powerful cards in non-core sets, though.
"God's Beard!"
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Ahh, the glory days of 13 card sideboard plans.
RTR/Theros might have been the perfect time for me to really get into competitive Standard. It was such a simple format.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You're talking about lands like we got a cavern reprint...
I want to break this in Modern. It's like a Treasure Cruise with a relevant body. Maybe with rituals?
It won't break modern but it's pretty good in Grixis Delver/Control since we run thoughtscour. I will try this over Goblin Dark-Dwellers as a 2 of.
"God's Beard!"
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I actually think straight UR delver is a good idea again since you're not splashing Tasigurs and Anglers. Reveler wants to play with the same cards as Young Pyromancer and having access to Blood Moon is pretty good.
SigmasonicX
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It's difficult to have every set be considered powerful overall without speeding up power creep greatly. I don't think you actually want every set to have a big effect Modern or whatever.
I think a problem with MM is that it doesn't do a great job at reducing prices, it merely prevents the cards from going up too much. This is mostly because the selling price of the packs get jacked up to whatever the EV is of the set, and not the other way around as with normal sets.
It does provide them for a good way to reprint cards that are hard to reprint elsewhere, either because of power level or because they don't fit thematically. But they shouldn't stop doing reprints in standard sets imho. Reprints for the Zendikar fetches are especially needed, and I hope they put it on their schedule for the coming 12 months. I do think that many of the more problematic cards in price are hard to reprint because many of them rely on mechanics that won't return soon or at all.
For the next MM I think they should better balance the amount of junk rares, increase supply or reduce the MSRP slightly. If the packs were readily available at MSRP, the prices of some key cards could lower to more reasonable price points. $150 for a Goyf is still ridiculous amounts of money and seriously limits the accesibility of playing Jund, the same goes for $100 LotV. Card are still allowed to be worth some money, but you can buy a high end smartphone for less than 8 cardboard pieces.
It does provide them for a good way to reprint cards that are hard to reprint elsewhere, either because of power level or because they don't fit thematically. But they shouldn't stop doing reprints in standard sets imho. Reprints for the Zendikar fetches are especially needed, and I hope they put it on their schedule for the coming 12 months. I do think that many of the more problematic cards in price are hard to reprint because many of them rely on mechanics that won't return soon or at all.
For the next MM I think they should better balance the amount of junk rares, increase supply or reduce the MSRP slightly. If the packs were readily available at MSRP, the prices of some key cards could lower to more reasonable price points. $150 for a Goyf is still ridiculous amounts of money and seriously limits the accesibility of playing Jund, the same goes for $100 LotV. Card are still allowed to be worth some money, but you can buy a high end smartphone for less than 8 cardboard pieces.
Uh. Mono Blue/Black devotion were a huge problem.
It was also the best mechanic in the set. I hope it comes back soon.
Keru_Shiri
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Yeah, once the format was solved mono-black devotion was dangerously close to being too good. Thoughtseize was what pushed that deck over the top. And to think, they were originally going to reprint LotV within the same Standard.
Etrian Oddity
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Why not just throw in some designed hate if they want to reset the power level? AKA, BFZ following the super strong KTK (where the only BFZ cards people used were lands).
Wouldn't a few hosers of particularly powerful cards be a good idea to reset the balance?
Of course, that's assuming they can accurately predict which cards will be good. I'm still not sure if they understood how fucking powerful they built up G/W... with every batch of EMN spoilers it got even better, and now it's really, really, really good and it was already dominant.
charlequin
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(based on absolutely nothing but its theme in ORI being blue-red)
Nothing is as extensive as the themes were in the Onslaught/Invasion/Mirrodin era anymore since they see mechanical themes as "paint" and want every block to use at least two now. Note how Innistrad was like 65% of a graveyard block and 35% of a tribal block, or how KTK had like 50% the gold-ness of ALA.
So, like, basically: yes it won't be like Mirrodin, but I am pretty close to 100% confident that of its mechanical themes, artifacts will be the most prominent, and it'll be as much an artifact block as ISD was a graveyard block.
Who wants to get a friendly wager going on this?
Rather than argue the point directly again, I want to take this in a different direction: what are some "good" cards that would actually be good, worthwhile reprints in Standard? They have to be good enough that people are happy to see them, but significantly below the level of annoyance that went along with both Thoughtseize and Mutavault reprints. If I had to think of a recent example, I'd say probably Urborg TOY in M15?
Like, basically, rather than evaluate this in a vacuum, I want to think about specific card options. Liliana was clearly not suitable in the environment they tried her in. Cavern of Souls would be miserable one way or another in an environment where tribal green/white is oppressive and blue is bad. What are some other candidates?
I'm just quoting this in amusement because it's clearly accurate in retrospect, but man were people ever calling KTK a weak set when it actually came out.
Goblin Guide
Grim Lavamancer
Searing Spear/Lightning Strike
Lightning Helix
Electrolyze
Stone Rain
Thought Scour
Serum Visions
Condescend
Force Spike
Serum Visions is the first one that jumps to mind. I think it'd be pretty benign in most standard environments (I don't know how much I like it right now, since CoCo is still around, but if it were in Kaladesh, that wouldn't be a problem).
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Serum visions is plane specific so it'd have to be a functional reprint, which impacts modern
The Technomancer
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People always say this, and I know "serum" has a specific meaning on Mirrodin, but is the idea of a magical serum really that rare? I swear to god I've heard it in other non-Magic contexts
I never understood this argument. It's a serum that gives visions. It's literally the same as Thoughtseize.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm not sure we have the same understanding of serum, it's not just a word for concoction. Thoughtseize is a made up word composition.
The creative team would have to establish that though
It was drug use in the first place.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Technically speaking "serum" refers to the blood stuff and yeah, on Mirrodin its the blood serum of Blinkmoths. But things like "truth serum" have created a broader sort of "concoction" connotation.
It is and it isn't. Serum originally refers to a specific thing on Mirrodin, sure. But it's a generic enough name that it can be reflavored without needing a new card.
Looking at some lists of cards from older formats, some others that I think would be fine in most standard environments:
- Terminate
- Wild Nacatl (though this is another plane-specific one)
- Maelstrom Pulse (similar naming issue to Serum Visions)
- Spell Snare
- Electrolyze
- Spell Pierce
- Ponder (not sure how they feel about reprinting cards that are banned in Modern in standard, other than slowing games down a bit, I think it's mostly fine in standard)
- Crop Rotation (might not want this one in modern)
- Might of Old Krosa (plane specific)
Serum is an actual English word. It's not made up. Thought and Seize are also English words. The creative team likes to combine different words to name cards. Mirrodin isn't some high horse.
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