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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)

Right before the Neo's unveil, how do you feel about the system?

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NuKERxyz

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Turkoop said:
I found this in on Twitter, pls take this with a huge grain of salt... I don't know who the guy is. reliable etc.

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https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare?s=08

or is this old ?
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If this is real I will tattoo an Ps emblem in my butt.
 
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Venom Fox

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kennyamr said:
I think (if I'm not mistaken) that physical games released in Sept would need a Neo patch through PSN, while games in Oct onwards would need a Neo version on the disc.
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So there's Neo mode games already this month. Leads me to fully believe it's releasing this year.
I already believed it was anyway. I trust Andrew House, he's never let us down.

NuKERxyz said:
If this is real I will tattoo an Ps emblem in my butt.
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I'd get one on my neck to go with my daughters name.
 
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farisr

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Venom Fox said:
We should try and find the leak to clarify the situation. Some read it as September onwards and some read it as October onwards.
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It's clear.

Late September games will require a day-1 patch at least to patch in a Neo mode. They can ship with it on disc but are not required to.

October onwards, the shipped (non patched) versions of the games must have a built in neo mode.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
That isn't even trying to look legitimate. Only the first two points even make sense to begin with
 
gamerforever

gamerforever

Banned
farisr said:
It's clear.

Late September games will require a day-1 patch at least to patch in a Neo mode. They can ship with it on disc but are not required to.

October onwards, the shipped (non patched) versions of the games must have a built in neo mode.
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I wasn't aware that this was set in stone. How do developers even do this?
 
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Venom Fox

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farisr said:
It's clear.

Late September games will require a day-1 patch at least to patch in a Neo mode. They can ship with it on disc but are not required to.

October onwards, the shipped (non patched) versions of the games must have a built in neo mode.
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Do you have a link to the leak? I'm not remembering this at all. I just thought I'd read that it was September onwards. Why can't I remember?

Edit: In any case you can't say that it's clear as a statement. Every Neo thread has this discussion with nobody able to clarify with the leak.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
tapantaola said:
Sony should mandate GPGPU use for physics and stuff like that. JC3 should have never been released in the market in a state like that.
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They should not mandate developers to do anything of the sort. Devs make games how they want.

Plus, GPGPU isn't a substitute for an actual CPU, there are plenty of things GPGPU cannot do.
 
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Inuhanyou said:
They should not mandate developers to do anything of the sort. Devs make games how they want.

Plus, GPGPU isn't a substitute for an actual GPU, there are plenty of things GPGPU cannot do.
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Are you arguing for the sake of arguing or what?

I specifically mentioned physics and stuff like that (aka parallelizable/SIMD algorithms). Don't be such a negative nancy.
 
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Venom Fox

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Inuhanyou said:
They should not mandate developers to do anything of the sort. Devs make games how they want.

Plus, GPGPU isn't a substitute for an actual GPU, there are plenty of things GPGPU cannot do.
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CPU.
Just saying.
Using GPGPU can't be a substitute for a GPU as GPGPU handles or offloads (whatever) CPU instructions so I'm sure you got mixed up between GPU and CPU I mean lol.
 
Theman2k

Theman2k

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Here are my predictions for the PS meeting:

•We start with a PS Montage as usual with upcoming PS4 and PSVR titles, awesome as usual OR/& we will get a live RDR demo to start with a bang.

•Andrew comes on board and announces PS Slim, available the same day/week for 249$-299$ with a similar cost OG PS4 price cut.

•Then we get NEO announcement with official name (maybe he would give us a leak joke somewhere), Not sure but I hope he will call Cerny to stage.

•NEO looks like 2 slims with a PS2 resemblance, people like it and get even more hyped.

•If Cerny is on stage we get a great hot tub spec show, people will be applauding him.

•A minute talk about easing people into new iterative console generations, 4K, UHD, options to the consumers and maybe HDR.

•Leaked presentation specs confirmed @4.2TF.

•After/Instead Cerny we will get the first NEO demos, People will be at awe.

•I expect at least one major first party title in upscaled 4K.

•At least one example for smooth 1080p/60fps with NEO patch (Bloodborne I hope).

•God of war, FFXV, Horizon Demos! People go nuts!

•More game demos, Uncharted 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.

•The Last guardian will show for sure, last stand before October launch.

•If we are REALLY lucky maybe Spider-Man PS4 show or Suckers Punch's new game reveal.

•We get a slew of PSVR NEO enhanced games according to Osiris leak: Robinson, Eve, and GT Sport.

•Last MASSIVE PSVR push expected with titles like RE7 and Driveclub.

•Deep Down surprise next, full retail game (Not F2P anymore). Looks close to original trailer.

•All the crowd is hyped, just want a release date and price for the NEO.

•Andrew comes back on stage, gives us a 399$ price and October/November launch.

•Closing the show with a big punch like RDR (if it wasn't at the start) OR FFVII Remake OR something else BIG.

•THE FUCKING END!

•HYPE!
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
tapantaola said:
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing or what?

I specifically mentioned physics and stuff like that (aka parallelizable/SIMD algorithms). Don't be such a negative nancy.
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Well, you mentioned GPGPU with JC3, as if that would have solved JC3's issues. It would not have. Devs releasing games in bad states have everything to do with that dev's development cycle or the publisher rushing the game, and not much to do with the hardware.

Its the devs responsibility to plan around a console's limitations and make a competent product, that's how its always been.

Venom Fox said:
CPU.
Just saying.
Using GPGPU can't be a substitute for a GPU as GPGPU handles or offloads (whatever) CPU instructions so I'm sure you got mixed up between GPU and CPU I mean lol.
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I know, i missed a letter
 
Corpsepyre

Corpsepyre

Banned
Theman2k said:
Here are my predictions for the PS meeting:

•We start with a PS Montage as usual with upcoming PS4 and PSVR titles, awesome as usual OR/& we will get a live RDR demo to start with a bang.

•Andrew comes on board and announces PS Slim, available the same day/week for 249$-299$ with a similar cost OG PS4 price cut.

•Then we get NEO announcement with official name (maybe he would give us a leak joke somewhere), Not sure but I hope he will call Cerny to stage.

•NEO looks like 2 slims with a PS2 resemblance, people like it and get even more hyped.

•If Cerny is on stage we get a great hot tub spec show, people will be applauding him.

•A minute talk about easing people into new iterative console generations, 4K, UHD, options to the consumers and maybe HDR.

•Leaked presentation specs confirmed @4.2TF.

•After/Instead Cerny we will get the first NEO demos, People will be at awe.

•I expect at least one major first party title in upscaled 4K.

•At least one example for smooth 1080p/60fps with NEO patch (Bloodborne I hope).

•God of war, FFXV, Horizon Demos! People go nuts!

•More game demos, Uncharted 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.

•The Last guardian will show for sure, last stand before October launch.

•If we are REALLY lucky maybe Spider-Man PS4 show or Suckers Punch's new game reveal.

•We get a slew of PSVR NEO enhanced games according to Osiris leak: Robinson, Eve, and GT Sport.

•Last MASSIVE PSVR push expected with titles like RE7 and Driveclub.

•Deep Down surprise next, full retail game (Not F2P anymore). Looks close to original trailer.

•All the crowd is hyped, just want a release date and price for the NEO.

•Andrew comes back on stage, gives us a 399$ price and October/November launch.

•Closing the show with a big punch like RDR (if it wasn't at the start) OR FFVII Remake OR something else BIG.

•THE FUCKING END!

•HYPE!
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Lel. That'll do it.
 
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Venom Fox

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Inuhanyou said:
Well, you mentioned GPGPU with JC3, as if that would have solved JC3's issues. It would not have. Devs releasing games in bad states have everything to do with that dev's development cycle or the publisher rushing the game, and not much to do with the hardware.

Its the devs responsibility to plan around a console's limitations and make a competent product, that's how its always been.



I know, i missed a letter
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I know. I was joking with you bro.
 
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Negotiator

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Inuhanyou said:
Well, you mentioned GPGPU with JC3, as if that would have solved JC3's issues. It would not have. Devs releasing games in bad states have everything to do with that dev's development cycle or the publisher rushing the game, and not much to do with the hardware
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Not really. You forget the fact that framerate takes a huge dive whenever explosions happen on the screen.

Using the Jaguar for physics is a bad idea when the GPU can do the same job much faster, mmmkay?

Inuhanyou said:
Its the devs responsibility to plan around a console's limitations and make a competent product, that's how its always been.
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Nope.

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The platform holder has the right to reject games that don't run as well as they should.
 
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c0de

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tapantaola said:
Sony should mandate GPGPU use for physics and stuff like that. JC3 should have never been released in the market in a state like that.
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Mandate? This sounds like a terrible idea. Devs should be free to use whatever they want.
A different story would be if Sony would provide a high performance physics api in their SDK but even then...
 
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c0de said:
Mandate? This sounds like a terrible idea. Devs should be free to use whatever they want.
A different story would be if Sony would provide a high performance physics api in their SDK but even then...
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Why not? ICE Team could definitely help designing such an API.

There's always a good and a bad tool to use for a certain job. CPUs are bad for stuff like that. Even an i7 is not as a fast as a GPU in SIMD tasks, let alone a Jaguar.

And no, devs should not be free to use whatever they want. That's why PS4 Neo games will have to run on OG PS4 as well.
 
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castaction

Member
Theman2k said:
Here are my predictions for the PS meeting:

•We start with a PS Montage as usual with upcoming PS4 and PSVR titles, awesome as usual OR/& we will get a live RDR demo to start with a bang.

•Andrew comes on board and announces PS Slim, available the same day/week for 249$-299$ with a similar cost OG PS4 price cut.

•Then we get NEO announcement with official name (maybe he would give us a leak joke somewhere), Not sure but I hope he will call Cerny to stage.

•NEO looks like 2 slims with a PS2 resemblance, people like it and get even more hyped.

•If Cerny is on stage we get a great hot tub spec show, people will be applauding him.

•A minute talk about easing people into new iterative console generations, 4K, UHD, options to the consumers and maybe HDR.

•Leaked presentation specs confirmed @4.2TF.

•After/Instead Cerny we will get the first NEO demos, People will be at awe.

•I expect at least one major first party title in upscaled 4K.

•At least one example for smooth 1080p/60fps with NEO patch (Bloodborne I hope).

•God of war, FFXV, Horizon Demos! People go nuts!

•More game demos, Uncharted 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.

•The Last guardian will show for sure, last stand before October launch.

•If we are REALLY lucky maybe Spider-Man PS4 show or Suckers Punch's new game reveal.

•We get a slew of PSVR NEO enhanced games according to Osiris leak: Robinson, Eve, and GT Sport.

•Last MASSIVE PSVR push expected with titles like RE7 and Driveclub.

•Deep Down surprise next, full retail game (Not F2P anymore). Looks close to original trailer.

•All the crowd is hyped, just want a release date and price for the NEO.

•Andrew comes back on stage, gives us a 399$ price and October/November launch.

•Closing the show with a big punch like RDR (if it wasn't at the start) OR FFVII Remake OR something else BIG.

•THE FUCKING END!

•HYPE!
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Yep
 
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c0de

Member
tapantaola said:
Why not? ICE Team could definitely help designing such an API.

There's always a good and a bad tool to use for a certain job. CPUs are bad for stuff like that. Even an i7 is not as a fast as a GPU in SIMD tasks, let alone a Jaguar.

And no, devs should not be free to use whatever they want. That's why PS4 Neo games will have to run on OG PS4 as well.
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And there are so many things that CPUs do better than GPUs.

Also, I'm talking about how they accomplish their goals, not what they are limited to do on a platform because of business decision crap.
 
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c0de said:
And there are so many things that CPUs do better than GPUs.
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Like branchy A.I. code. Physics is different. I don't understand your disagreement. MIPS != flops.

c0de said:
Also, I'm talking about how they accomplish their goals, not what they are limited to do on a platform because of business decision crap.
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If "accomplishing their goals" means delivering a shitty port that runs at 15-20fps, then hell no.
 
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Coolbgdog12

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I wonder how good the streams will be to actually showcase differences. It's one thing to say on paper the improvements but a low bitrate stream with a 30fps cap wouldn't exactly do much for people.
 
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Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
tapantaola said:
Not really. You forget the fact that framerate takes a huge dive whenever explosions happen on the screen.

Using the Jaguar for physics is a bad idea when the GPU can do the same job much faster, mmmkay?
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JC2 runs fine on last generation consoles, and Jaguar is 2.5 to x3 more capable than Xenon. There's no excuse for such a bad result for JC3 besides improper coding or bad engine utilization.

Nope.

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The platform holder has the right to reject games that don't run as well as they should.
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What does that have to do with developers being responsible for making their game work on a competent manner.
 
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Planet

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onQ123 said:
Microcode ladies & gentlemen microcode!
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Ok, so you are basically saying anything teraflops can be upmicrocoded to actually be a CELL chip?

You need to seek professional help. Or shut up on technical topics. One or both. It's getting worse!
 
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Korezo

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What if Sony does a Nintendo and don't say/release Neo specs because people are just going to be disappointed it's not close to a scorpio. Sony going to just say the neo runs ps4 games and vr games better with ability to upscale to 4k. I don't think Sony going to make a big deal about the specs.
 
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