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AusPoliGaf |Early 2016 Election| - the government's term has been... Shortened

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Definitely a surprise, to be sure.

I have so many mixed feelings about Senator Conroy. While his passion for the NBN was commendable, I also dislike him for trying to introduce that stupid internet filter. That was pretty much one of the low points of the Rudd/Gillard era.
 
His career was already on the wane and I suspect being one of the few Labor people that are against SSM wouldn't have improved that in the long run.

He's factionally one of Shorten's closest allies. Or at least was. I Wonder if it's related to souring in the relationship, NSW Labor Unity certainly couldn't afford to split atm , so sword falling for that might make sense.
 
Wait till Pauline finds out there are Muslims in ASIA!

Not if you believe those weird posters/videos making the rounds that say places like Japan have banned all muslims :/ Which she probably does.

The Greens senators pretty much all walked out on Hanson's speech. Some people are calling this childish, but quite frankly it's the only polite gesture that Hanson deserves.

A lot of the same people I know who thought the libs were "within their rights" to walk out during the K Rudd apology are complaining now about the Greens being undemocratic babies.
 
Not if you believe those weird posters/videos making the rounds that say places like Japan have banned all muslims :/ Which she probably does.

Funny thing is, freedom of religion was only introduced to Japan in 1871 after centuries of persecution of Christians. Islam was probably a virtual non-entity in Japan until after WWII and even then the people who practice it in Japan barely number in the 80,000s.
 
Funny thing is, freedom of religion was only introduced to Japan in 1871 after centuries of persecution of Christians. Islam was probably a virtual non-entity in Japan until after WWII and even then the people who practice it in Japan barely number in the 80,000s.

lol yeah. I get the distinct impression people claiming this have no understanding of Japan at all.

Wait what.

Welcome. My more bogan friends keep posting stuff like this and asking me super awkward questions about Japan.
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*literally none of this is true.
 
lol yeah. I get the distinct impression people claiming this have no understanding of Japan at all.



Welcome. My more bogan friends keep posting stuff like this and asking me super awkward questions about Japan.

*literally none of this is true.

I imagine that Muslims must follow Japanese Law in Japan but that's 0.5/10.
 

Jintor

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i will never understand people's obsession with the idea that muslims are 'implementing sharia law'. 99% of the time they have no idea even how the actual legal system of australia works, not even basic separation of powers doctrine.
 
He's factionally one of Shorten's closest allies. Or at least was. I Wonder if it's related to souring in the relationship, NSW Labor Unity certainly couldn't afford to split atm , so sword falling for that might make sense.

Very possibly.

He went from Shadow Defence to Sport and the bits of the Public Service no one else wants. Pretty serious demotion.

damn shakira law

I'd submit to Shakira law.
 
So George Christensen's tantrum over Queensland making 16 the age of consent for anal sex has caused 'anal' to start trending Australia-wide.
 
So George Christensen's tantrum over Queensland making 16 the age of consent for anal sex has caused 'anal' to start trending Australia-wide.
He says he's against standardising the age of consent because paedophiles. Are we still supposed to believe the plebiscite anti-campaign won't be like that?
 

darkace

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Welcome. My more bogan friends keep posting stuff like this and asking me super awkward questions about Japan.

*literally none of this is true.

Huh. I mean I don't remember any Muslim people in Japan, but I don't remember any non-Japanese people either outside the ski towns.

That said, I don't understand how this is an argument for stricter controls. Part of Japans' problems are their insane laws surrounding immigration.

Also Elaugaufein are you taking part in the upcoming Griffith elections?
 
Huh. I mean I don't remember any Muslim people in Japan, but I don't remember any non-Japanese people either outside the ski towns.

That said, I don't understand how this is an argument for stricter controls. Part of Japans' problems are their insane laws surrounding immigration.

Also Elaugaufein are you taking part in the upcoming Griffith elections?

No, I'm finishing up my PhD atm , so don't have much time (further complicated by losing my prior residence, a couple of weeks ago, hunting for a new house/ apartment and moving into a new place this weekend. The past 3 weeks have been very not fun*. ).

*Which reminds me I need to shuffle some of my computations around and shut down those Amazon Web Servers if I no longer need them since they are costing me a fortune to run. Thanks.

ETA - Weird, I haven't even got email notifications about elections atm. I thought that was required. Maybe I don't get them because I'm part time or post-grad ?
ETA2 - Ahh yeah it's because I'm post-grad, NUS is only for Undergrads.
 

darkace

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No, I'm finishing up my PhD atm , so don't have much time (further complicated by losing my prior residence, a couple of weeks ago, hunting for a new house/ apartment and moving into a new place this weekend. The past 3 weeks have been very not fun*. ).

*Which reminds me I need to shuffle some of my computations around and shut down those Amazon Web Servers if I no longer need them since they are costing me a fortune to run. Thanks.

ETA - Weird, I haven't even got email notifications about elections atm. I thought that was required. Maybe I don't get them because I'm part time or post-grad ?
ETA2 - Ahh yeah it's because I'm post-grad, NUS is only for Undergrads.

Ah fair enough, makes sense it's UG only really. I'm not sure how much I care about the elections outside of the opportunity to banter with the SAlt crew, but I was gonna take the opportunity to sign up for the youth wing of a political party. Still undecided on the ALP or LNP though.
 
Ah fair enough, makes sense it's UG only really. I'm not sure how much I care about the elections outside of the opportunity to banter with the SAlt crew, but I was gonna take the opportunity to sign up for the youth wing of a political party. Still undecided on the ALP or LNP though.

Start a Young NXT group and see how many times you can say "Sensible Centre".
 

darkace

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Start a Young NXT group and see how many times you can say "Sensible Centre".

I think I'd be pretty good at mouthing meaningless platitudes without ever having to worry about having my ideology challenged by the realities of governance tbh. And what better way to get started than in student politics.
 
So can anyone help me out with this fear of foreigners buying productive land thing ?

As far as I can tell military hostility or desperate need (ie public good) for that lands resources (eg food) are text book justification for resumption and these are the most common complaints I hear.

Feck, the incredible broadness of resumption seems to mean the government could resume produced food (subject to reasonable ccompensation*) and leave you the land.

*Which is completely up to a court, so reasonable compensation in a famine probably ain't going to make you rich and from a hostile foreign power is probably ~0.
 
WA Transport Minister Dean Nalder resigned, and though he's not calling for a spill he's saying he'll put his hand up if a leadership spill occurs.

State Libs across the country are falling apart, even Baird is stumbling.
 
WA Transport Minister Dean Nalder resigned, and though he's not calling for a spill he's saying he'll put his hand up if a leadership spill occurs.

State Libs across the country are falling apart, even Baird is stumbling.

I think he's the 3rd to go now. First guy commissioned a secret poll among business on whether Barnett was useless or not, the result wasn't good for Barnett. Then another guy left saying he was not committed to the government and now a 3rd! These things happen when you spend and make promises like the mining boom will last forever. Last time I looked polls said it was about 56-44 to Labor so it's no wonder that a lot of them see unemployment is just over the horizon and are in full panic mode.

Prime Minister George Christensen is at again.

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He's now going to quit the government unless they remove the backpacker tax.
 

darkace

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So can anyone help me out with this fear of foreigners buying productive land thing ?
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Xenophobia and fear of large companies from the left (somehow think that the government wouldn't take land if required because companies own the government or something), xenophobia and misunderstanding of econ (i.e. that they will sell everything overseas and not make a profit here. Because.) from the right.
 
Prime Minister George Christensen is at again.

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He's now going to quit the government unless they remove the backpacker tax.

Of course he is. Man, this government really has its act together, doesn't it?[/sarcasm]

Edit: And the poor sods at the CSIRO have been instructed to try and brief Malcom Roberts on climate change. The same Malcom Roberts who demands empirical evidence only to move the goalposts by claiming any evidence presented to him was 'corrupted' by NASA. I don't envy them.
 

Shaneus

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Edit: And the poor sods at the CSIRO have been instructed to try and brief Malcom Roberts on climate change. The same Malcom Roberts who demands empirical evidence only to move the goalposts by claiming any evidence presented to him was 'corrupted' by NASA. I don't envy them.
It's win/win for the government: Either they educate Roberts on CC, or they quit (saving them the redundancies).
 

hirokazu

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Welcome. My more bogan friends keep posting stuff like this and asking me super awkward questions about Japan.

*literally none of this is true.
Did somebody make that to have a laugh and then idiots thought it was real? Like how people mistake Onion articles to be actual news?

Well at least the "There is no sharia law in Japan" is true. I suppose.
 
Did somebody make that to have a laugh and then idiots thought it was real? Like how people mistake Onion articles to be actual news?

Well at least the "There is no sharia law in Japan" is true. I suppose.

This is probably not true (at least the way these idiots mean Sharia law), the "sharia law" they panic about in countries like Australia is done through civil contracts (and is of course illegal if it violates the actual law), short of deeming religious law as an unlawful basis for civil contracts you can't really stop it. This is how religious law in general works in secular countries.
 
The Essential poll on banning Muslim immigration is tremendously saddening, though not overly surprising.

One interesting thing is that the "Other" ban support is lower (though with in stat Sig) than the LNP Voter.

That's unusual when the Greens are given as an option, since Other is generally the urban equivalent of the Nationals Vote in that context (ie more socially conservative , less economically so especially for their own social group).

This is less the case when the supporter effect kicks in (ie the Coalition stakes out a position past that of the Other block and their voters follow) but the LNP very definitely aren't calling for any such thing (a) still want that HRC seat (need to get some approval of other countries using torture in support of government policy going) b) killing immigration of any group that tend to be highly qualified and willing to work for a lower wage than an equivalent Australian doesn't even remotely suit their economic quest to drive wages and conditions down while claiming employment growth).

Interested in what's going on there. Dog whistling about asylum seekers/ refugees getting interpreted in an overly broad way ?

ETA - While I think of it: OT Community thread titles ? Also feel free to voice support of someone's suggestion it's probably a time to poke a mod and move this to its proper home.
 

darkace

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doesn't even remotely suit their economic quest to drive wages and conditions down while claiming employment growth).

Hsssssssssssssss. Immigration doesn't drive down wages. Nor does the LNP agenda do that.

Also there shouldn't really be any surprise with the poll on Muslim integration. Countries all around the world have seen enormous problems here, and while I'm in favour of further Muslim intake there needs to be a realisation that we need a strong system of checks and balances and that Islam itself is as flawed as Christianity was prior to the enlightenment. Both sides have legitimate issues here.
 
Hsssssssssssssss. Immigration doesn't drive down wages.

Also there shouldn't really be any surprise with the poll on Muslim integration. Countries all around the world have seen enormous problems here, and while I'm in favour of further Muslim intake there needs to be a realisation that we need a strong system of checks and balances and that Islam itself is as flawed as Christianity was prior to the enlightenment. Both sides have legitimate issues here.

Agreed that it doesn't inherently. It certainly can though. Theres definitely use of skilled immigrants / outsourcing to force wages and conditions toward the award rather than the going rate amongst the existing work force in ICT positions for example. And its only been a few years since Gina Rinehart was waxing lyrical about how South African miners worked for $2 a day and it'd be awesome if Australians did too.

Of course our desired job list is bizarre and certainly in part political. I've never seen a desperate need for hairdressers for example but it never leaves the high demand list.

And yes, sure appreciate security checks are necessary. Of course I'm willing to bet our checks are already far more extensive than anything the group in favour of a ban would demand. NatSec / Intelligence agencies are institutional wellsprings of paranoia since the public blowback for massive but gradual breaches of human rights is generally less than that for letting someone blow up a car.

ETA : LNP agenda: Really ? Their desire to force people to take whatever crappy position they can get by forcing one month waits for welfare, certainly seems to have little other purpose, especially given that a) there's more unemployed than Jobs , b) the jobs being forced into are not skill development Jobs and c) a certain level of unemployment is viewed as a necessity to (keep inflation under control / allow for adaptation to market conditions) by lots of economists.
 

darkace

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Agreed that it doesn't inherently. It certainly can though. Theres definitely use of skilled immigrants / outsourcing to force wages and conditions toward the award rather than the going rate amongst the existing work force in ICT positions for example. And its only been a few years since Gina Rinehart was waxing lyrical about how South African miners worked for $2 a day and it'd be awesome if Australians did too.

Skilled immigrants increase wages by like ~10%. It's unskilled immigrants and refugees that can cause problems, generally among high-school dropouts and existing immigrants.

ETA : LNP agenda: Really ? Their desire to force people to take whatever crappy position they can get by forcing one month waits for welfare, certainly seems to have little other purpose, especially given that a) there's more unemployed than Jobs , b) the jobs being forced into are not skill development Jobs and c) a certain level of unemployment is viewed as a necessity to (keep inflation under control / allow for adaptation to market conditions) by lots of economists.

The thing is that unemployment benefits are terrible methods of welfare. They distort the labour market, destroy long-term skill acquisition and harm more than help recipients. Long-term unemployed especially are harmed by unemployment benefits.

People who spend long periods of time unemployed live far less time, have far lower long-term wages, and have lower qualitative outcomes. The LNP want people in employment because short and long-term outcomes are massively, massively improved by every single quantitative and qualitative measure. I wasn't a huge fan of the Abbott proposal for welfare (see Fightback! for a decent unemployment benefit system, the inability to extend the benefits during recession or downturn made the Abbott proposal terrible).

I think my real problem with the left at the moment (and why I've been arguing more with Young ALP than LNP this week) is that we can't separate policy intentions from outcomes. Many well-meaning policies actually hurt far more than they help (my favourite example of this is the anti-disabled discrimination law in the US, which was designed to help disabled employees in the US, but ended up having no effects on the wider population while lowering both wages and employment levels for the disabled).
 
Skilled immigrants increase wages by like ~10%. It's unskilled immigrants and refugees that can cause problems, generally among high-school dropouts and existing immigrants.

I'm fully willing to accept that the net effect of all skilled immigration is wage positive due to synergy effects / greater collaboration potential and the increased opportunities that opens up.

The thing is that unemployment benefits are terrible methods of welfare. They distort the labour market, destroy long-term skill acquisition and harm more than help recipients. Long-term unemployed especially are harmed by unemployment benefits.

People who spend long periods of time unemployed live far less time, have far lower long-term wages, and have lower qualitative outcomes. The LNP want people in employment because short and long-term outcomes are massively, massively improved by every single quantitative and qualitative measure.

Yes, but punitive measure like work for the dole etc, are equally ineffective because they aren't jobs that develop sought after skills, decreased the time for actual upskilling and real employment searches. They also rarely lead to permanent positions because there's an ongoing stream of (from the employers perspective) underpaid labor to use.

I don't see how struggling to live for a month or competing with a backpacker to pick fruit or do casual hospitality (generally not actually possible since cooking the books in those industries to pay under minimum wage is rife) is going to help on that front. Upfront training in areas the person has some interest in that are in demand would be far more effective (but also far more costly), including relocation aid where possible.

Theres also the minor issue that it's hard to separate the social causes (Protestant work ethic, get a real job, you lazy bludger, and the resulting socialisation and mental effects etc) , from the economic consequences of joblessness (ie insufficient money for healthy lifestyle, regular checkups, treating conditions early, regular dental work, lack of funds for mobility etc) from the actual effects that are inherent to being a human without a job.
I think my real problem with the left at the moment (and why I've been arguing more with Young ALP than LNP this week) is that we can't separate policy intentions from outcomes. Many well-meaning policies actually hurt far more than they help (my favourite example of this is the anti-disabled discrimination law in the US, which was designed to help disabled employees in the US, but ended up having no effects on the wider population while lowering both wages and employment levels for the disabled).

Sure. I'm still not sure it's a net social benefit to provide subsidized labor (ie below living cost) to employers to save the state money since as you're fond of saying the ability to hire below the cost of living distorts the market. Admittedly a strong redistributive system can ameliorate that. But highly profitable corporations and those drawing large pay from them are generally inclined to fight such (i.e taxes) using the power their profits and market position provides.

But we don't exactly have an alternative planet to test these things on. You can argue we have other states / countries but race to the bottom parasitism that wouldn't be possible in a vacuum is entirely possible between states / countries (the world economy would go down in flames if everyone took the Singapore / Ireland approach).
 

darkace

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Yes, but punitive measure like work for the dole etc, are equally ineffective because they aren't jobs that develop sought after skills, decreased the time for actual upskilling and real employment searches. They also rarely lead to permanent positions because there's an ongoing stream of (from the employers perspective) underpaid labor to use.

All of these things are true (well, not the decrease time for upskilling/employment searches. Somewhere between a quarter and two thirds of people are doing neither of those things, depending on the country). But they're still better than the status quo. It's very, very difficult to move low-skill and long-term unemployed labour into long-term, well-paid employment. There's no silver bullet solution, only years of education, low-paid/casual work with low job security and setbacks.

Upfront training in areas the person has some interest in that are in demand would be far more effective (but also far more costly), including relocation aid where possible.

I agree, trade adjustment legislation would be good. I'd like to see the Turnbull government introduce it, especially as it would be a bone he could throw to the soft anti-globalisation peeps.

Sure. I'm still not sure it's a net social benefit to provide subsidized labor (ie below living cost) to employers to save the state money since as you're fond of saying the ability to hire below the cost of living distorts the market. Admittedly a strong redistributive system can ameliorate that. But highly profitable corporations and those drawing large pay from them are generally inclined to fight such (i.e taxes) using the power their profits and market position provides.

I personally think all these solutions are really just fiddling around the edges of the real problem, which is that our current system is both over-regulated and that our minimum wage is too high. While the government is working on the first to minor success, the second is political suicide to attempt to overcome. We're stuck trying to distort the market to fight against the distortions our incredibly high minimum wage provides in the first place (I think MW's are good, but ours is too high, especially as a federal minimum wage).

But we don't exactly have an alternative planet to test these things on. You can argue we have other states / countries but race to the bottom parasitism that wouldn't be possible in a vacuum is entirely possible between states / countries (the world economy would go down in flames if everyone took the Singapore / Ireland approach).

The neo-liberal model is an unbridled success everywhere it is tried (as we are testament too). We should be pushing towards Singapore if at all possible (especially in healthcare/unemployment benefits, which would solve the above problems and reduce all that government spending we dislike).
 
All of these things are true (well, not the decrease time for upskilling/employment searches. Somewhere between a quarter and two thirds of people are doing neither of those things, depending on the country). But they're still better than the status quo. It's very, very difficult to move low-skill and long-term unemployed labour into long-term, well-paid employment. There's no silver bullet solution, only years of education, low-paid/casual work with low job security and setbacks.



I agree, trade adjustment legislation would be good. I'd like to see the Turnbull government introduce it, especially as it would be a bone he could throw to the soft anti-globalisation peeps.



I personally think all these solutions are really just fiddling around the edges of the real problem, which is that our current system is both over-regulated and that our minimum wage is too high. While the government is working on the first to minor success, the second is political suicide to attempt to overcome. We're stuck trying to distort the market to fight against the distortions our incredibly high minimum wage provides in the first place (I think MW's are good, but ours is too high, especially as a federal minimum wage).



The neo-liberal model is an unbridled success everywhere it is tried (as we are testament too). We should be pushing towards Singapore if at all possible (especially in healthcare/unemployment benefits, which would solve the above problems and reduce all that government spending we dislike).

The Singapore model collapses if everyone takes it because you don't get the concentrated money pool that's "relocated" from other societies (though Singapore has taken that money and invested it well, and could probably do without it now, so props to them there). Either everyone gets scraps or whoever hits bottom first keeps everything via inertia. This is why the EU is forcing Ireland to take tax they don't want to from Apple, they are well aware this arrangement benefits Ireland at their expense.

Theres also a lot to do with Singapore's economy that isn't really replicatable for most other countries (vast amounts of government owned enterprise*) , small and concentrated population, complete dominance of government by one party (somewhat due to various things that would be looked upon questionably by most of the West) and a judicial system in a similar position.

I'd also point out that inequality has real effects on purchasing power for scarce goods (trivial things like oh say political influence or natural monopolies) that aren't ameliorated by the rising of most boats.

*Much of which is likely extremely dicey under the type of trade agreements the US really likes and many countries have signed onto.
 
I personally think all these solutions are really just fiddling around the edges of the real problem, which is that our current system is both over-regulated and that our minimum wage is too high. While the government is working on the first to minor success, the second is political suicide to attempt to overcome. We're stuck trying to distort the market to fight against the distortions our incredibly high minimum wage provides in the first place (I think MW's are good, but ours is too high, especially as a federal minimum wage).

Well, what regulations should be discarded, in your opinion?

And we wouldn't need a minimum wage if we had, say, a universal basic income. Yes, it's a big expenditure for the government, but it simultaneously ensures that everyone is able to actually spend money and thus contribute to the economy. Actual real-world tests on UBI indicate that it doesn't really hurt real employment, mainly students actually spending more time at school and women taking care of their kids. Actually reducing that purchasing power for the the lower-earners will only hurt the economy and line the pockets of the rich.

As Elaugafien said, you can't reduce the minimum wage without replacing it with something better at this point, otherwise you're just going to torch the economy. There's a reason why there's a concentrated campaign in the US to raise the minimum wage to over $10 if not up to $15 and actively being endorsed by the Democrats, and Clinton will be making an effort to do nationwide - sub-$15 is not a sustainable minimum wage anymore to get by for many, many people both here and in the US, just look at what the poor victims of the 7/11 wage scandal.
 
On the more general topic of this thread there's something amusing and pitiful about the "How many terrorism ads can we run in the lead up to an election?" / "Chaos of a Labor Greens minority government" Coalition's Tony Nutt complaining about a scare campaign targeted at elderly voters.
 
On the more general topic of this thread there's something amusing and pitiful about the "How many terrorism ads can we run in the lead up to an election?" / "Chaos of a Labor Greens minority government" Coalition's Tony Nutt complaining about a scare campaign targeted at elderly voters.

He got absolutely roasted by the press club and rightfully so.
 

darkace

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The Singapore model collapses if everyone takes it because you don't get the concentrated money pool that's "relocated" from other societies (though Singapore has taken that money and invested it well, and could probably do without it now, so props to them there). Either everyone gets scraps or whoever hits bottom first keeps everything via inertia.

The neo-liberal model does allow for further redistribution. It's just that it should be done as efficiently as possible.

This is why the EU is forcing Ireland to take tax they don't want to from Apple, they are well aware this arrangement benefits Ireland at their expense.

I'm not really sure how many times I need to explain that companies don't pay tax because they aren't human actors and that company tax benefits exactly nobody.

I'd also point out that inequality has real effects on purchasing power for scarce goods (trivial things like oh say political influence or natural monopolies) that aren't ameliorated by the rising of most boats.

Inequality doesn't really. Real disposable income does. Inequality is more a problem from the political economics POV than anything else.

Well, what regulations should be discarded, in your opinion?

Mainly labour market ones related to the low-skilled (not MW though) that try to 'protect' people. I believe there were regulations passed during the past labour government that forced everyone who was classified as full time to take x number of days off and the like. This should be torched as all it does is force people to make choices they don't want while simultaneously reducing full-time employment for casual. There was a study released in the EU pointing out that almost all of their problems with unemployment were related to overregulation of the labour market and an insanely inefficient tax base destroying investment and productive activity. Now we aren't anywhere near this thanks to Keating/Howard, but we still need to continue moving forward.

And we wouldn't need a minimum wage if we had, say, a universal basic income. Yes, it's a big expenditure for the government, but it simultaneously ensures that everyone is able to actually spend money and thus contribute to the economy. Actual real-world tests on UBI indicate that it doesn't really hurt real employment, mainly students actually spending more time at school and women taking care of their kids.

I don't really have a problem with a UBI outside the expense. Although I'm pretty suspect on the tests run on it, from memory most of them haven't been over a long enough timescale to really look at its effects.

just look at what the poor victims of the 7/11 wage scandal.

This wont be fixed by a higher MW. It'll make 7/11 wage scandals more common. I don't think a UBI will ever be possible from a political standpoint, but something like the EITC (which is essentially a negative income tax), would be, and would do essentially the same thing without the cost.
 

Window

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I'm not really sure how many times I need to explain that companies don't pay tax because they aren't human actors and that company tax benefits exactly nobody.
Could you please link to studies which claim that corporate tax is extremely/relatively inefficient compared to other forms of taxations (genuinely interested)? Thanks.

Inequality doesn't really. Real disposable income does. Inequality is more a problem from the political economics POV than anything else.
Real disposable income of whom though? An average household measure would not sufficiently capture the purchasing power of members of an economy in cases of high inequality.

Mainly labour market ones related to the low-skilled (not MW though) that try to 'protect' people. I believe there were regulations passed during the past labour government that forced everyone who was classified as full time to take x number of days off and the like.
Do you mean Rostered Days Off? If so, I actually didn't know about that.
 

darkace

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Could you please link to studies which claim that corporate tax is extremely/relatively inefficient compared to other forms of taxations (genuinely interested)? Thanks.

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/4kyg8q/why_are_corporate_tax_cuts_like_the_one_in_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/5260ss/on_the_subject_of_corporate_income_tax/

Both very inefficient (From memory a corporate tax increase from 30 to 31% causes about 70 cents worth of distortion. From 40-41 is like 130 cents.) and not paid by companies.

Real disposable income of whom though? An average household measure would not sufficiently capture the purchasing power of members of an economy in cases of high inequality.

We can measure individual purchasing power, and of the different deciles. Real disposable income increased for all deciles from the late 80's recession through to 2013. It has decreased recently for the bottom and will continue to do so while the economy transitions.

Do you mean Rostered Days Off? If so, I actually didn't know about that.

I can't remember their name. All I know is that people I work with were forced to make certain choices they didn't want to due to government legislation. Somebody I know working 80-100 hour weeks on a salaried position is a casual employee because any other position requires them to take certain options they don't want.
 
Scarce goods aren't purchased (purely*) with real income though, the constrained supply means lower bidders are inherently fenced out by those with the capacity to pay arbitrary amounts.

*Obviously there are limits since a scarce good selling beyond even the tolerance of the uber rich for contention will stop at that point. This point is generally far beyond the income level of any but the top fraction of a percentile in any case.
 

darkace

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I'm not really sure what you mean by the above. Isn't the ability to purchase all scarce goods constrained by disposable income?

Also I spent the last week campaigning for the Gryffithdor team and the SAlties were even worse than I remembered. They recorded and screamed at me for having the temerity to wear a shirt for the other team, even though I was attempting to sign their petition on gay marriage. They're just weird people.
 
I'm not really sure what you mean by the above. Isn't the ability to purchase all scarce goods constrained by disposable income?

Also I spent the last week campaigning for the Gryffithdor team and the SAlties were even worse than I remembered. They recorded and screamed at me for having the temerity to wear a shirt for the other team, even though I was attempting to sign their petition on gay marriage. They're just weird people.

It's more that given inequality you can have "lift the tide" as high as you like but scarce goods will still be confined to those in the top most area (because their contention will automatically increase their "value" to that point) whereas non-scarce goods behave as you'd expect with "real income" ie they become more common possessions. The limited supply of such goods means that their accessibility is determined by relative not absolute wealth.
 
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