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The New York Times endorses Hillary Clinton for President

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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
i know it's been done forever, but press outlets endorsing presidential candidates is weird

In that way you can also say editorials are weird since they aren't news, but opinion. These decisions aren't formed by the reporters, but by the editorial board.

I'm in news and I feel the same. Editorial boards don't feel right.

May as well get rid of editorials too.

The whole point of endorsements like this is to help people who don't have time to follow along make a decision. Normally something like this would be more of a comparison of the candidates and their policies, but this is Trump.
 
i know it's been done forever, but press outlets endorsing presidential candidates is weird

I disagree. I think the press has a responsibility to be the steward of the public, and coming out with official endorsements with strong reasons why helps the public become more informed.

It's also more transparent. VIrtually all press boards will have some editorial bent to them, and so I think it's worse when they pretend to be fair and balanced, or neutral, not taking sides, but then every article is bent in a particular way.
 
Kinda surprising. I feel they've been the most constant in bringing up the damn emails and trying to find shit with which to make her look bad.

They are in part to blame for the she's unlikable narrative with their relentless articles on shit that's actually nothing.
 
Kinda surprising. I feel they've been the most constant in bringing up the damn emails and trying to find shit with which to make her look bad.

They are in part to blame for the she's unlikable narrative with their relentless articles on shit that's actually nothing.

No way. The New York Times is one of the most responsible news organizations in the world. If Hillary is unlikable it's not the fault of the New York Times reporting.

Also, of course they're endorsing the Democrat, especially in this election cycle.
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
Shocking news
Kinda surprising. I feel they've been the most constant in bringing up the damn emails and trying to find shit with which to make her look bad.

They are in part to blame for the she's unlikable narrative with their relentless articles on shit that's actually nothing.
They report the news.
 
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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..

If you give into it, you just start to kinda feel numb and warm and then you just get sleepy.

Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.
 
Good.

Regardless of your politics, the choice is clear for anyone with a brain and at least half a grain of empathy: Hillary Clinton is the superior candidate in every single way. She is thoughtful, caring, and competent, especially when compared to our #1 national security threat -- Donald Trump.

A vote for Donald Trump is a vote for an unstable neo-nazi whose only apparent "skills" are stealing from people and decaying democracy. A vote for Hillary Clinton is an expression of love and service for America. She is the patriot's choice. Donald Trump, who has called for the assassination of his political opponent and has invited foreign manipulation in our election, is the anti-American choice.
 

rjinaz

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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.

Lol no. Hillary won't spend her time in office actively trying to make life suck for minorities because of some irrational fear of them.
 
I think it's pathetic, but perhaps the right word is more deeply concerning. At least in a slippery-slope sense. Editorial boards are the face of a paper. For all intents and purposes, their opinion is the face of it. It just shows the depraved state of the integrity of journalism. Not that it is a new staple for US papers to endorse. Is it a staple elsewhere in the world?
IMO It's not about reporting the news as is- but showing down your propaganda. It's not like the New York Times hasn't been under plenty of scrutiny in this election cycle for the manner of their reporting.
That's not what is surprising to me. What is surprising to me is seemingly how okay and comfortable many people are with that.
Clapping your hands together for transparency is what I imagine 40+ million American Fox News readers say about their integrity. At the very least, if you're okay with this, you have no right to be to be appalled by the obvious bias by the right-wing media who engages in the same sort of arguments from the other side of the political spectrum.
It's the race to the bottom of trying to figure to figure out exactly what the correct events are.
Objectivity is impossible in practically. Human bias is natural, but that does not disclose that the paper should try and be as impartial as possible. I imagine that would be 101 for journalistic integrity.
Propaganda can be justified- and propaganda is not always bad. There are many times where the persuasion of ideas has had a just cause, but I think it's a bad sign to see this as a trait being defended in the news outlet.
I see this as a proxy that you'd have real reason to dismiss everything NYT if you were a right-wing voter. From the perspective of the right, NYTs obvious bias would be a road call to dismiss them in their entirety- and they do, which of course stiffles the continued secularization of everyone getting their news from two very polarizing camps reporting two parallel universe versions of every story. And that is unhealthy because both camps ends up getting a version of the story that is not portrayed in a fair light.

There is no doubt that it's not like NYT has treated Trump any worse than he deserves, but that's not really the point. I'm just talking about the generality of the news reporting. It's easy to allow yourself to bend the rules, but what when you have two candidates, or two situations where there is less difference in who is right and wrong. You're opening a can of worms and giving the outlet- the conduit of information a pass on being allowed to manipulate.
Intentional manipulation is different from reporting the news. it's not something I think should be encouraged, and while it is a tradition in American Journalism, i've always been uncomfortable with this manner of reporting. I think it gives less credence.
 
Doesn't surprise me. :) Just wondering why it didn't happen earlier.

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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.
Why don't you believe Trump to be orders of magnitude worse than Hillary Clinton?
 

HvySky

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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.

Care to elaborate?
 

Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I think it's pathetic. Editorial boards are the face of a paper. For all intents and purposes, their opinion is the face of it. It just shows the depraved state of the integrity of journalism. It's not about reporting the news as is- but showing down your propaganda. It's not like the New York Times hasn't been under plenty of scrutiny in this election cycle for the manner of their reporting.
That's not what is surprising to me. What is surprising to me is seemingly how okay and comfortable many people are with that.
Clapping your hands together for transparency is what I imagine 40+ million American Fox News readers say about their integrity. At the very least, if you're okay with this, you have no right to be to be appalled by the obvious bias by the right-wing media who engages in the same sort of arguments from the other side of the political spectrum.
It's the race to the bottom of trying to figure to figure out exactly what the correct events are.
Objectivity is impossible in practically. Human bias is natural, but that does not disclose that the paper should try and be as impartial as possible. I imagine that would be 101 for journalistic integrity.
Propaganda can be justified- and propaganda is not always bad. There are many times where the persuasion of ideas has had a just cause, but I think it's a bad sign to see this as a trait being defended in the news outlet.
I see this as a proxy that you'd have real reason to dismiss everything NYT if you were a right-wing voter. From the perspective of the right, NYTs obvious bias would be a road call to dismiss them in their entirety- and they do, which of course stiffles the continued secularization of everyone getting their news from two very polarizing camps reporting two parallel universe versions of every story. And that is unhealthy because both camps ends up getting a version of the story that is not portrayed in a fair light.

There is no doubt that it's not like NYT has treated Trump any worse than he deserves, but that's not really the point. I'm just talking about the generality of the news reporting. It's easy to allow yourself to bend the rules, but what when you have two candidates, or two situations where there is less difference in who is right and wrong. You're opening a can of worms and giving the outlet- the conduit of information a pass on being allowed to manipulate.
Intentional manipulation is different from reporting the news. it's not something I think should be encouraged, and while it is a tradition in American Journalism, i've always been uncomfortable with this manner of reporting. I think it gives less credence.

This is pretty incoherent rambling, even for you.
Are you ok?
 
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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.
Live ten minutes in my life, or the life of any minority, and you may see things a bit differently

On one hand, there's an incredibly intelligent, qualified and competent leader. On the other, there's a literal white nationalist, racist, misogynistic bigot.
 

Tabris

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Reports without borders Press Freedom Index

39 - South Africa
40 - Slovenia
41 - United States

News outlets shouldn't endorse politicians. They should provide an unbiased fact-based reporting of the news. Canada is a bit bad for that too.

16 - Germany
17 - Nambia
18 - Canada

I get why that's not the case, and it's not actually the news outlets faults, it's the population's fault. They rather watch political "debate talk shows" then actual journalism. I watched CNN a little bit over the last couple of months due to my family watching it and it's only that - there's barely any actual journalism.
 
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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.

nice facebook post
 

xandaca

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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.

Not sure if serious, but as much as I find Clinton utterly, completely and monumentally dreadful, and those who claim she's this great candidate are at best hypocrites blinding themselves to the truth, there's no question whatsoever that a Trump presidency would be incalculably worse, even if he just ends up delegating to the party establishment (particularly since they'd likely be the worst of the worst of the GOP establishment). If I could vote in this election, I still wouldn't vote Clinton, but while both candidates are abominable, there's no question that Trump is significantly moreso.
 

paskowitz

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Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.

Just a thought... vote for Hillary and vote for Republican's down the ballot. I don't understand how this isn't the game plan for Republicans.
 

Salz01

Member
Good way for a big newspaper to be objective 😒 I won't read or click on a newspaper that swings one way or the other.

It's really hard to find a new agency that's middle of the road.
 
131g6n.jpg


Let's stop pretending. Let's stop doing the lesser of two evils.

There is no lesser evil. Stop lying to yourself. Just let it wash over you, or as Liz Lemon would say when describing an ex-boyfriend of her's..



Yeah, like that. The election is an allegory for Dennis from 30 Rock.

I think you missed Facebook. This kind of half baked false equivalency is why we're in this position to begin with.
 

Window

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I don't understand how attempting to be transparent about a bias is considered propaganda. Propaganda to me implies deliberate and deceitful manipulation of truth towards specific agendas. This seems anything but. I don't think this is meant to imply that NYT will distort facts to fit a certain narrative in their reports.
 
Lol no. Hillary won't spend her time in office actively trying to make life suck for minorities because of some irrational fear of them.

This is true.

Counterpoint:
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Also: I'm slightly disturbed at the idea that the election of ANY government let alone America's can be summed up through the use of 30 rock gifs/memes and pictures.

I don't know if that's brilliant, bad or both.

Because I'm looking through Google and I'm starting to see alot of parallels and it's scaring the shit outta me (in both good and bad ways).
 
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