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[Barkley's Justice]

I visited a friend's house and he wanted to show me Transformers 2 on bluray on his new Samsung LCD 52" TV. And as we're watching it, the motion looked really weird: Like hyper-real, and the picture looked like everyone was on a stage, in a play. It looked really wack, for lack of a better word.

My verbal reaction was, "Why does it look like that?" To which he replied, "Because it's Bluray." And I was like, "No, it looks funny." As reference, I have a PS3 and a Panasonic Plasma.

I grabbed his remote and noticed he had 120hz mode on. I shut it off and everything went back to normal: The scenes looked as they did in the theater, and the strange "stage" effect was removed.

So I have to ask LCD users out there: How on earth can you watch anything in 120hz mode?? It's so unnatural and uncanny looking?

Thoughts?

 

[Xeke]

My friends dad bought a new HD tv and we sat down to watch it and couldn't figure out what the hell was wrong, everything looked like a soap opera.:lol It took us a few minutes to figure out how to fix it, it was terrible.

 

[LCfiner]

I puke a little bit inside my heart whenever I see motion flow demos in electronics stores.



I hate that shit. haaaaaate it.

 

[LoganKnight4949]

Nature programs such as Planet Earth, as well as Sporting events look fantastic using frame interpolation.

120hz is not the right terminology for what you're talking about by the way.

 

[Xrenity]

Totally looks like crap.

Everytime I see it at someone's house though, I don't really want to comment at it because I don't want to be the guy who says their new TV is doing it wrong.

 

[YuriLowell]

it looks so bad It makes me want to kill someone.

 

[dk_]

That has nothing to do with 120hz, it's called Motion Plus or whatever. I immediately turned it off.

 

[Helmholtz]

Ya, I have a 120hz tv and I usually keep that mode off. I think it's called cinemotion or something on my sony bravia tv. Although I have to admit that using the mode with the Planet Earth bluray is surreal.

 

[Aesius]

Such a worthless gimmick. It just looks jarringly bad.

 

[see5harp]

Turn that shit off, so annoying.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Worst TV technology ever made.

 

[ShinAmano]

I thought I was the only one...so I can go to my parents and turn this off? Awesome.

 

[StoOgE]

Yeah, 120hz has nothing to do with it. I have a plasma that only runs at 60/72hz and has a similar mode. It's called frame interpolation and it is the devil.

Look for something called "motion plus", "smooth mode" or some similar name and turn it off. Also, pry the button out of the remote that turns it on and burn it in a cleansing fire.

edit: various names:

The commercial name given to motion interpolation technology varies across manufacturers, as does its implementation.

Hitachi - Reel120[2]
Insignia - DCM Plus, for Digital Clear Motion 120 Hz
LG - TruMotion 120 Hz, 240 Hz
Mitsubishi - Smooth 120 Hz
Panasonic - Intelligent Frame Creation (IFC)
Philips - HD Digital Natural Motion[3]
Samsung - Auto Motion Plus 120 Hz[4], 240 Hz
Sharp - Fine Motion Enhanced[5]
Sony - MotionFlow 100 Hz, 100 Hz PRO (XBR series, Australia), 120 Hz, 200 Hz, 240 Hz, 400 Hz.[6][7]
Toshiba - ClearScan 120 Hz, 240 Hz
Vizio - MEMC (Motion Estimation, Motion Compensation)[8]

 

[LoganKnight4949]

Such a worthless gimmick. It just looks jarringly bad.

For cinema, yes. For Sporting events as well as Nature programs, it's freaking AWESOME.

Also, if it's implemented well(no artifacts) and if it doesn't add to the input delay, it looks pretty cool for video games. Makes them appear like the framerate is higher.

 

[Davidion]

THAT's what it is (edit: or Frame Interpolation now?). Having never owned a 1080p TV, I always thought it was some "setting" on certain 1080p TVs whenever I'd see something like this in a store.

It's interesting, but horrible looking for most movies that I can think of. Would like to watch a nature program on it though, for sure.

 

[StoOgE]

For cinema, yes. For Sporting events as well as Nature programs, it's freaking AWESOME.

Also, if it's implemented well(no artifacts) and if it doesn't add to the input delay, it looks pretty cool for video games. Makes them appear like the framerate is higher.

I don't care what the program is, your TV "guessing" at what a frame between the two frames is supposed to be is idiotic. If nothing else directors intent should be considered since your TV's algorithm is creating frames the original artists has no access to.

 

[Pctx]

Friends don't let friends watch TV w/ 120Mhz mode on.

 

[dark_chris]

Haters gonna hate. I love this mode. =)

 

[dyls]

That's what that is. I thought it was just a byproduct of the clarity of 1080p, which is why I haven't bothered to upgrade my 720p plasma set. It makes everything look so cheap and awful. So glad to hear it's just a mode that can be disabled. I'm going to go into every electronics store in Los Angeles and shut that shit off on the display models so people don't get the same wrong idea.

 

[MisterHero]

SciFi Channel used to air Twilight Zone episodes that way and I thought it was neat because the people looked like they were live and putting on a production

In a strange way it gave me a better sense about the people in that time

 

[Xeke]

Haters gonna hate. I love this mode. =)

HOW?

 

[Always-honest]

24P?

or Mofo pixelplus? cuase that should die.

 

[Truant]

Insta't soap opera look.

 

[louis89]

I hate this in the same way I hate 60fps in video games.

 

[BotoxAgent]

It's a way for LCDs to overcompensate for their inability to handle motion properly and retain resolution. Plasmas have it too, but it's a lot more subtle and not as noticeable...just enough to remove telecine judder.

My friend was watching Book of Eli on my Kuro this weekend, and he said the motion is very smooth and natural looking at the same time--very clear...and he asked me if "it's doing 120hz?" lol...I just said, "nope, it doesn't use anything"

 

[dark_chris]

HOW?

Everything looks better. Like you're really there type of thing. It makes enjoying movies and stuff even better.
I don't get the hate, but I don't care, its awesome and enjoyable.

Like MisterHero said too, its even better when watching Twilight Zone and other oldies on it.

Haters just gonna hate. :lol :lol

 

[YuriLowell]

I hate this in the same way I hate 60fps in video games.

the fuck?

 

[SolsticeZero]

it looks so bad It makes me want to kill someone.

This. That shit literally makes me want to puke.

I hate this in the same way I hate 60fps in video games.

What the fuck?

 

[layzie1989]

i like it

>

 

[ChRoNiTe]

I remember awhile back I saw a blu-ray of one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies at Best Buy that must have had this mode on, because it looked absolutely horrid in motion.

 

[Quadrangulum]

I agree. It's garbage technology.

 

[Baraka in the White House]

This. That shit literally makes me want to puke.

Hyperbole Gaf, ASSEMBLE!

 

[Herpes Reasons]

Haters just gonna hate. :lol :lol

i agree.
its like viewing through a window.
<3

 

[LoganKnight4949]

I don't care what the program is, your TV "guessing" at what a frame between the two frames is supposed to be is idiotic. If nothing else directors intent should be considered since your TV's algorithm is creating frames the original artists has no access to.

Okay. Even though sporting events and nature shows look better, more realistic, and more visually striking, I'll turn this feature off.

Thanks for enlightening me.

 

[louis89]

the fuck?

How come everyone agrees that on movies it's shit, but the same cheap soap opera effect on video games is good?

 

[Broseybrose]

I hate this in the same way I hate 60fps in video games.

:lol Same. I have a 52" 120hz Samsung and I like its AutoMotionPlus for some things. Its a feature, like a toy... "Hey, do you wanna fuck with (smooth out) the motion on the screen, press this button." And it certainly accomplishes the effect its trying to achieve.

Its just obviously not for the purist, or even the 'framerate-sensitive' i guess.

 

[Ryck]

Wow I thought I was on the minority with my hate for it. I turned it off on my Tv but I also had that same WTF reaction when I first saw it.

 

[Suikoguy]

Spoiler

We're also stuck with blurry, juddery, slow-panning 24fps movies forever because (thanks to 60fps home video) people associate high framerates with camcorders and cheap sitcoms, and thus think good framerates look "fake".

 

[dark10x]

You know, it COULD be great technology in some cases if it were improved, but at this point, it just doesn't work well enough.

For instance, it can transform a 30 fps game into a 60 fps game. Problem is, every TV I've attempted this with is unable to maintain this illusion and the result is an extremely uneven experience. It also adds a lot of input lag into the mix.

 

[Gary Whitta]

I remember the first time I ever saw this on a Best Buy demo screen, I stared at it for like 15 minutes trying to figure out why it looked so horribly bad.

I recently bought a Vizio that has some form of this technology, very first thing I did was turn it off. It really should be off by default.

 

[thetrin]

120hz makes all movies look like they were filmed with a camcorder. Sometimes I watch things in 120hz just for shits and giggles (IMAX scenes are especially hilarious), but I usually turn it off when I don't need it.

That has nothing to do with 120hz, it's called Motion Plus or whatever. I immediately turned it off.

Motion Plus IS 120hz. It's called different things based on the TV you have (I assume you have a Samsung)

 

[navanman]

I watched the first 10 minutes of UP at my parents house on their new Philips LED TV with this feature turned on.
It looks horrid, it was like the film was being played in fast forward or something.

Had to grab the remote and turn the feature off.

 

[Prez]

That has nothing to do with 120hz, it's called Motion Plus or whatever. I immediately turned it off.

Isn't that name copyrighted by Nintendo?

 

[Salaadin]

I watched the first 10 minutes of UP at my parents house on their new Philips LED TV with this feature turned on.
It looks horrid, it was like the film was being played in fast forward or something.

Had to grab the remote and turn the feature off.

I was just coming to ask what exactly it looked like. Is it really fast forward looking?

I watched The Hangover at a friends recently and asked them if it was on .5 fast forward or something. I checked myself and it wasnt. This mustve been what was wrong.

I thought it looked silly but I dealt with it because everyone else thought it was normal.

 

[r.gun]

120hz makes all movies look like they were filmed with a camcorder. Sometimes I watch things in 120hz just for shits and giggles (IMAX scenes are especially hilarious), but I usually turn it off when I don't need it.



Motion Plus IS 120hz. It's called different things based on the TV you have (I assume you have a Samsung)

Wrong - Motion Plus is the name Samsung gives their frame smoothing technology.

120hz is the refresh rate of the LCD screen.

I don't mind Motion Plus on the custom setting. If you turn up the Blur Reduction and lower the Judder reduction it actually makes for a very smooth picture that doesn't look "overly" smooth and fake. I challenge anyone who has tried the smoothing tech and hated it to go back and play with the custom settings. Lower "Judder Reduction" and I'll bet you can find a happy medium where the picture will look really nice.

And for the record, it's beyond me how movies can still be filmed at 24p... how is that acceptable in this day and age where we have TV's and projectors with a significantly higher refresh rate!?

 

[vitaminwateryum]

Saw this in Best Buy with X Men playing on it, looked so awful. It made everything look so shitty and low budget. I'm not sure how some of you guys can say that you like this, what the hell are you watching on your TV?

 

[Lunchbox]

I visited a friend's house and he wanted to show me Transformers 2

why?

 

[MNC]

Frame interpolation can die in a fire.

 

[bone_and_sinew]

Everything looks better. Like you're really there type of thing. It makes enjoying movies and stuff even better.
I don't get the hate, but I don't care, its awesome and enjoyable.

Like MisterHero said too, its even better when watching Twilight Zone and other oldies on it.

Haters just gonna hate. :lol :lol

I agree, though everyone else in my family hates it as well.

 

[GitarooMan]

Yeah, just so I'm clear this has nothing to with the 120/240Hz and everything to do with the Auto Motion Plus/Motionflow/whatever they call it interpolation technologies, right?