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120hz Movies: How can people watch this shit?
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dark_chris
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Suikoguy said:
This is true. I think this is great technology and love it. Screw the 3D fad going on, this is better. People are stuck in the past with it.
Government-man
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I'm confused about this - do you really measure the refresh rate of LCD:s in hertz? Because as far as I know it does not updated a certain amount of times per second, it only updates as the pixel changes as told by the source. The backlight is constantly on as opposed to an electron cannon. Is an LCDTV with 60 hertz capable of changing pixel colour 60 times per second?
And I doubt that the tvs with this function renders the movie 120 times per second? Seems a bit superfluous, 24 frames per second is standard after all and an increase over 60 fps seems redundant, and hard to accomplish with an algorithm cause then you'd have to add 4 frames per second.
And I doubt that the tvs with this function renders the movie 120 times per second? Seems a bit superfluous, 24 frames per second is standard after all and an increase over 60 fps seems redundant, and hard to accomplish with an algorithm cause then you'd have to add 4 frames per second.
~Devil Trigger~
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yea its kinda annoying
i dont need all dem frames
i dont need all dem frames
Government-man
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DeathNote said:
They call it a soap-opera effect because they are normally shot with a higher framerate. Movies are normally shot in 24 fps, which is quite low.
BotoxAgent
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I forgot that new LCDs are 240hz now
It's the dejudder effect on those televisions. Certain LCDs have it where you can adjust the settings to reduce motion blur, which I always put at 10 and to control the degree of the interpolation... It actually looks fantastic if you put the effect down low. Very smooth without that soap opera effect. It's only on those older LCDs where you couldn't shut it off or adjust the degree of the settings that it looks awful.
Lumpy Onion
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Yeah that shit was default turned on for my new HDTV. It made everything look like a cheap TV movie or whatever. When I turned it off I was able to enjoy it much more.
However, I do turn it on when playing PS1 and PS2 games. It makes things look really cool. FF VII runs especially slick IMO. But for movies it always gets shut off.
However, I do turn it on when playing PS1 and PS2 games. It makes things look really cool. FF VII runs especially slick IMO. But for movies it always gets shut off.
I can understand that not playing something in native mode would look weird. I only catch a soap rarely at my grandmas house on a SDTV. I'm getting the feeling people think the soaps look bad? But, wouldn't movies in a native higher frame rate look better?Government-man said:
Government-man
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DeathNote said:
Yes, they would look more natural and smooth - more real life. Unfortunately because of soap -operas people now associate that look with cheap. I have not tried this particular technology myself but would like to see a higher frame rate become standard in the movie industry. Don't know why this hasn't happened yet. Of course it is more expensive using more 35mm (or 70) film but shouldn't problem for big budget movies or digitally filmed.
Government-man
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DeathNote said:
No, I guess its simply that they (and home camcorders) are the ones who were first in introducing those high frame rates. And soap operas usually apply some kind of blurring filter which maybe people are reminded of when trying this computer generated frames, I don't know since I haven't seen it personally.
beat
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I generally like XKCD, but Munroe was way off base there.Suikoguy said:
http://prolost.com/blog/2009/2/24/slumdog-millionaire.html
I originally thought this was some hideous Blu-ray feature, since every in-person demonstration I saw used motion interpolation. That really put me off the whole thing for a while.
Watching anything with that motion interpolation is a crime. Now, I'm not necessarily opposed to movies using higher framerates in the future (though I have no particular desire to see it pursued), but I sure as hell don't want my TV artificially smoothing out the picture in a way the creators never intended.
Watching anything with that motion interpolation is a crime. Now, I'm not necessarily opposed to movies using higher framerates in the future (though I have no particular desire to see it pursued), but I sure as hell don't want my TV artificially smoothing out the picture in a way the creators never intended.
NekoFever
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Because films aren't filmed for television?r.gun said:
There are a number of issues that would prevent it anyway. Every cinema in the world is set up for 24fps, cameras with a faster speed would be louder (a big issue with IMAX cameras, which is why The Dark Knight only used them for action scenes), it would drive up the cost of CGI because they'd be rendering for many more frames, and a lot of directors and film fans simply like the 'filmic' look.
It blows my mind that people are turned off to stuff on their TV looking more real. Isn't the whole point of HD that our entertainment looks like we're seeing it through a window and not through a 24 frame per second slide show?
Why are nerds constantly upgrading their video cards to achieve higher frame rates in video games, but hate it when their tv shows and movies have a higher framerate?
I really like motion plus (or whatever you want to call it). My friend has it and I can't wait to get a TV that supports it. It's true that this mode makes it easier to see fake shit in movies, but the technology exists to fake things much better in Hollywood. So if they want us to buy the tech, then they should be working to make their products look better on it.
Why are nerds constantly upgrading their video cards to achieve higher frame rates in video games, but hate it when their tv shows and movies have a higher framerate?
I really like motion plus (or whatever you want to call it). My friend has it and I can't wait to get a TV that supports it. It's true that this mode makes it easier to see fake shit in movies, but the technology exists to fake things much better in Hollywood. So if they want us to buy the tech, then they should be working to make their products look better on it.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I had no idea so many people hated 120hz. I walked into the Sony store one day and they had the ending of Rocky 6 playing. I was like, "WTF is going on with the motion? It's like faster than normal movies or something?"
Are movies suppose to be like that?
Are movies suppose to be like that?
vicissitudes
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Saw this once in store with Star Trek playing. It was hilarious, instead of a movie it looks more like a movie set, and the characters looked like actors trying to act. I would totally turn on Auto Motion Plus just for the lols.
Deadly Cyclone
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I turn the Motion Plus setting down to 2 or so on my Samsung.
Masta_Killah
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So this is what I was seeing when I watched The Pacific at a friend's house. I was wondering why some of the movements looked real, while the image I saw on my tv looked more cinematic.
ALeperMessiah
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24p is definitely shitty. Just.Say.No.
YuriLowell
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Hilbert said:
Its quite hilarious on some PC ports where they still have 30fps animations to match up with 60fps game.
Sir Fragula said:
It seems like since everyone compares it to soap operas which use a technology that does not make up frames, it must be doing something right.
On a personal note, I turn it off, sometimes turning it on for computer animated movies like wall-e.
LethaL ImpuLse
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Is this the technology you guys are talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
I viewed this on a display TV in an electronics store and was impressed, it actually looks great in my opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation
I viewed this on a display TV in an electronics store and was impressed, it actually looks great in my opinion.
SephirothRK
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I went holy shit the first time I saw it in a store. I wanna watch a movie like that one day. 
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