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[Hoo-doo]

The handheld market, the price sensitive one, won't get it at that price. Nintendo will need a handheld SKU for these, probably next year with Pokemon and/or Animal Crossing. Meanwhile Nintendo is For the Gamers. Sony nailed it with this punchline. It fits Switch just as well. So Nintendo fans and non console warriors, who skipped Wii U and have the money to expand gaming beyond their living room. The own "anytime, anywhere" Switch proposal certainly is enticing.

Except I think you're just describing handheld gamers here, to be honest.

Either that, or you're talking about some previously unknown market or subset of people that's somehow immediately on-board with a hybrid device even though there hasn't been anything like it on the market. I mean, it's possible. I just don't think it's all that likely myself. You are clearly among this crowd, but the question is how many others are.

 

[KratosEnergyDrink]

Honestly, why is polygon not banned from GAF?

Reading this laughable article reminds me of the post factual world we are living in, on the other hand polygon adores Trump so this could be intentional.

 

[Smasher89]

It seems to do more mistakes in some way(just check the online services that's promised), but considering their main market is Japan, maybe that market will do well for them considering its a market where only handhelds succeeds nowadays.

That said, 3ds was very expensive and the start of the downward trend, and the Switch is costing way more money, and that is also not counting the online subscription.

I do hope it sells as the super early days of 3ds, so they will rethink the pricing+forced subscription if you want to play online. The strenght might be the hardware, but everything that surrounds it makes it a much harder sell imo.

 

[sammyCYBORG]

Arms, Splatoon, Kart, Xenoblade.

What did WiiU have announced? Nintendoland, NSMBU, ZombiU, Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101, the latter two of which were eight months out.

There was a reason Wii U was the only Nintendo console I had zero hype for and didn't buy at or near launch since the NES.

I mean you've named three new games I'm not interested in and one cash-in remaster I've already played.

The five games you listed for WiiU I was excited about and turned out really good. Plus Lego City Undercover is missing from your list.

For my taste, so far it's just Zelda and Mario, which is depressing. They're both worth buying a console for, but I fully expect to buy just those two games this year unless E3 has some surprises.

 

[mrklaw]

Why is it so terrible that Nintendo haven't spoon fed us exactly what the OS looks like or how online works? I don't recall Sony or MS spending time in conferences walking through that stuff. It's the kind of bing I'd expect to hear about in previews from the press and find out myself. Perhaps have an article on the web (like they do) talking about it in general

 

[marc^o^]

Except I think you're just describing handheld gamers here, to be honest.

Either that, or you're talking about some previously unknown market or subset of people that's somehow immediately on-board with a hybrid device even though there hasn't been anything like it on the market. I mean, it's possible. I just don't think it's all that likely myself. You are clearly among this crowd, but the question is how many others are.

You make a good point, Switch is hard to categorize. For me it's mostly a handheld but I keep seeing people saying they'll never undock it.

As for people being immediately on-board I know 2 such persons IRL, who skipped Wii U, and there are plenty more in the two forums I frequent. So that's a thing. And it doesn't surprise me one bit, Switch being an attractive gadget, these people having missed a gem like MK8 (once a 37 millions franchise), and Zelda being the game of E3 with tremendous hype.

 

[Chaos17]

Blind optimismism is worse than conservative pessimism.

Polygon made a click bait article just like the one with Trump.
Everyone bashed the other thread while this one people agree with Polygon, that's being biased.

 

[Malice215]

There's been plenty of coverage, responses from people who've played the Switch, and from what Nintendo has shown for me to want to purchase one at launch. I can't think of any one reason that Nintendo showed when the Wii U was revealed that made it worth purchasing at launch outside of people expecting lightning to strike twice after the Wii.

Nintendo should have shared the details that people are complaining about in January. Nobody's minds are being changed in 13 days.

Who knows whether the Switch will be a success, but I enjoyed the Wii U and I know what I'm getting with the Switch. The Switch has it's fair share of issues just like any other console at launch. while others are judging it for criticisms that weren't thrown at Sony or Microsoft at their launches.

 

[Astral Dog]

Not gonna lie,all these controversial Switch topics lately are turning me on ,making me lust for one at launch,and i was gonna wait.

 

[Fredrik]

Why is it so terrible that Nintendo haven't spoon fed us exactly what the OS looks like or how online works? I don't recall Sony or MS spending time in conferences walking through that stuff. It's the kind of bing I'd expect to hear about in previews from the press and find out myself. Perhaps have an article on the web (like they do) talking about it in general

I totally agree. It seems like people got so burned after WiiU that they simply assume that things will be bad unless proven otherwise and therefore have to see the console working properly before considering buying it.

 

[moltonasty]

As a long time Nintendo fan I've essentially given up on anything aside from solid first party support from them. If you expect anything else (especially good online functionality) you're probably in denial.

I expect their online to be dismal as usual, but hey at least BOTW looks amazing!

 

[AzaK]

It's not just the lack of information but the game lineup too.

Nintendo don't care, or aren't competent enough to launch strong. So I don't care about picking it up at launch.

Yeah this is very much a "shit we must get something out before FYE" situation. So you have to be cagey with info (It's not finished) and you're games and general lineup is going to be pretty sad.

As a long time Nintendo fan I've essentially given up on anything aside from solid first party support from them. If you expect anything else (especially good online functionality) you're probably in denial.

I expect their online to be dismal as usual, but hey at least BOTW looks amazing!

After (during) Wii U I pretty much gave up on them as I was sick of being hopeful for their system. After the Switch presentation I've actually gone back to PC gaming after a decade away and am enjoying some amazing games with competent, and free online.

 

[marc^o^]

Yeah this is very much a "shit we must get something out before FYE" situation. So you have to be cagey with info (It's not finished) and you're games and general lineup is going to be pretty sad.

Do you think Snipperclips will make people sad? Or Zelda? Or people playing Bomberman with friends? I don't see it. I think it can only be pretty awesome.

 

[Nydius]

Honestly, why is polygon not banned from GAF?

Reading this laughable article reminds me of the post factual world we are living in, on the other hand polygon adores Trump so this could be intentional.

It's only laughable in that it took them this long to write it after being caught with other clickbait articles. Many of the points made in the article are valid and have been brought up repeatedly by fellow GAFfers during and in the aftermath of the Switch reveal.

Only the Nintendo Defense Force is blindly glossing over the very significant issues with this console, namely the fact that it's a very expensive, early access device. If you buy it day one, you're taking a significant risk, even more than that of a typical early adopter of other established brands. Those of us who can temper our impatience for a single player game that can also be played on the prior generation system with minor changes are doing what all smart people do: Waiting. Switch is poised to make every mistake they made with the Wii U: Underpowered hardware, poor online systems, missing industry standard features, trickling out first party games over a lengthy period of time, questionable third party support, ancient games being resold as "new", and so on.

Buying this at launch is utterly foolish. I'm pretty certain I'll be able to buy it cheaper or in a more economical bundle in December once we've seen how Nintendo supports the system after launch - or if, as many expect, they completely bungle it again.

 

[AzaK]

I have the feeling Switch is already attracting ps4/one owners who are looking for something different.

I'm a PS4 owner who, after the Switch presentation, said "fuck that" to Switch and PSN and actually went back to PC gaming where I don't feel as reamed by console makers.

 

[ChrisFatso]

I agree with the article - I love Nintendo and want to see them succeed, but I can't help but be frustrated with stuff like this. If you assume that Nintendo management is competent and thoughtful, then you have to assume they have considered releasing more information about the online functionality of the Switch and ultimately decided not to. Why would they make that decision? I'm betting it's one of the following reasons:

1) They think it would receive negative press because it lacks features that their competitors have, and they want to keep the narrative positive.
2) They haven't fully developed the solution yet and don't want to focus attention on it until it is complete (some evidence for this given they won't start charging until later this year).
3) They don't think enough gamers care, or they are confident the initial wave of hardware will sell regardless so they don't feel any pressure to share additional details that could detract from their marketing pitch.

Regardless of the reasoning behind these decisions, they still make me think less of the company. I wish they respected their consumers enough to give them the whole honest story before they expected anyone to shell out a fairly substantial amount of money for their new system. Some of us feel burned by the Wii U, and seeing them continue to play their cards close to their chests like they have something (that we won't like) to hide doesn't exactly inspire confidence. It's time for them to try and build some good will with gamers, and this isn't helping.

 

[AzaK]

Do you think Snipperclips will make people sad? Or Zelda? Or people playing Bomberman with friends? I don't see it. I think it can only be pretty awesome.

Nintendo fans will be happy of course as they will buy anything Nintendo make regardless of the practices Nintendo implement. The online can be appalling, they can be asked to pay again for the same VC games and all the other things we all know about, and they will just buy it anyway.

I'm talking about as a general system for general consumers to fork out US$299 (plus inevitable storage costs etc) it's not a particularly good offering at present. Especially with so many unanswered questions.

I agree with the article - I love Nintendo and want to see them succeed, but I can't help but be frustrated with stuff like this. If you assume that Nintendo management is competent and thoughtful, then you have to assume they have considered releasing more information about the online functionality of the Switch and ultimately decided not to. Why would they make that decision? I'm betting it's one of the following reasons:

1) They think it would receive negative press because it lacks features that their competitors have, and they want to keep the narrative positive.
2) They haven't fully developed the solution yet and don't want to focus attention on it until it is complete (some evidence for this given they won't start charging until later this year).
3) They don't think enough gamers care, or they are confident the initial wave of hardware will sell regardless so they don't feel any pressure to share additional details that could detract from their marketing pitch.

Regardless of the reasoning behind these decisions, they still make me think less of the company. I wish they respected their consumers enough to give them the whole honest story before they expected anyone to shell out a fairly substantial amount of money for their new system. Some of us feel burned by the Wii U, and seeing them continue to play their cards close to their chests like they have something (that we won't like) to hide doesn't exactly inspire confidence. It's time for them to try and build some good will with gamers, and this isn't helping.

Exactly. If Nintendo were proud of their online system they'd be talking about it, you can guarantee that.

 

[Crayon]

It's like a bunch of stale concern posts from a month ago digested a extruded as a loaf.

 

[marc^o^]

Buying this at launch is utterly foolish. I'm pretty certain I'll be able to buy it cheaper or in a more economical bundle in December.

That's how technology works: it gets cheaper after a few months and economies of scale*. But life is short and gamers are usually passionate people.

*Wii was an exception, there might be few others.

 

[jay]

All of their consoles since the N64 had bad third party support and game droughts, and all their consoles had relatively bad online support. People who are not skeptical have much more explaining to do than those who are.

 

[marc^o^]

Nintendo fans will be happy of course as they will buy anything Nintendo make regardless of the practices Nintendo implement. The online can be appalling, they can be asked to pay again for the same VC games and all the other things we all know about, and they will just buy it anyway.

I'm talking about as a general system for general consumers to fork out US$299 (plus inevitable storage costs etc) it's not a particularly good offering at present. Especially with so many unanswered questions.


Exactly. If Nintendo were proud of their online system they'd be talking about it, you can guarantee that.

Online is free at launch, you make conjectures about VC, you are condescending again, and EDIT: you did answer my question - obviously Zelda, Snipperclips and Bomberman with friends will be joyful and not sad experiences. Not only for Nintendo fans. Zelda embraces modern conventions, Snipperclips is a new IP and Bomberman is universal.

 

[spekkeh]

It's like a bunch of stale concern posts from a month ago digested a extruded as a loaf.

Yeah I'm out. People can't talk about the article anymore, because it's not very good, and we're back to the same old same old.

 

[MrPhiliasfrog]

Polygon made a click bait article just like the one with Trump.
Everyone bashed the other thread while this one people agree with Polygon, that's being biased.

I thought you were joking, but I just found the thread about trump.

Why is polygon still allowed on GAF? They are intentionnaly making clickbait articles knowing fully well they will create unhealthy discussions.

 

[Manmademan]

That's how technology works: it gets cheaper after a few months and economies of scale*. But life is short and gamers are usually passionate people.

*Wii was an exception, there might be few others.

Except in the case of the WiiU, where the controller made it extremely difficult to cost reduce.

The switch is in the same position. It's a high end tablet without a lot of obvious room for cost reductions.

As I mentioned before the Nvidia shield tablet is nearly the exact same thing, with a processor a generation behind, a smaller screen, and no joycons. 3 years after launch and it's still 199.

There may be price drops for the switch, but they won't be soon and they won't be as large as what happened with the 3DS. Nintendo is EXTREMELY loath to take losses on Hardware. They're not PS2 or PS3 era Sony.

 

[casey_contra]

I hate Polygon, but this article does bring up a ton of valid points. I'm still Day 1 because I'm a fanboy and losing right away is worth the $50 I might save down the road.

 

[marc^o^]

Except in the case of the WiiU, where the controller made it extremely difficult to cost reduce.

The switch is in the same position. It's a high end tablet without a lot of obvious room for cost reductions.

As I mentioned before the Nvidia shield tablet is nearly the exact same thing, with a processor a generation behind, a smaller screen, and no joycons. 3 years after launch and it's still 199.

There may be price drops for the switch, but they won't be soon and they won't be as large as what happened with the 3DS. Nintendo is EXTREMELY loath to take losses on Hardware. They're not PS2 or PS3 era Sony.

They said they make money out of it. Remove the grip, the dock, and sell a Go Switch* SKU when they have a big handheld game ready.
*dock not included.

It can easily reach $250 as a handheld. Probably less, next year. I'll leave it at that as it's speculation far beyond launch.

 

[SScorpio]

Why is it so terrible that Nintendo haven't spoon fed us exactly what the OS looks like or how online works? I don't recall Sony or MS spending time in conferences walking through that stuff. It's the kind of bing I'd expect to hear about in previews from the press and find out myself. Perhaps have an article on the web (like they do) talking about it in general

Sony published this 4-5 months before the PS4 was released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OegYm1dM9g

It showcases the social aspects of the system. The issue with not seeing something like this for the Switch is that Nintendo hasn't exactly had a good track record with online play, and will these online features even be ready at release? That could be why online will be free at first, so they can say "well, it's beta, don't complain it's laggy and crashes all the time".

We're now 13 days before the launch of the Switch which currently feels like it's being rushed and probably should have been released in the fall.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

In my opinion, the Switch is a MUCH better value proposition than the shit hardware design/quality of the WiiU.

 

[Stinkles]

So... what's the scoop with hotel Wi-Fi? Why wouldn't it work?

 

[Lionel Richie]

Except I actually provided some context for that statement, seeing that the 3DS did not sell until it got a huge price reduction.
Obviously I can't state exactly what's going to happen with the Switch but if people in this thread expect the handheld gamers to propel this thing towards 60+ million sales in as little as two years, then I seriously doubt that.

I mean, speculation is fine in any direction. But just base it on something beyond your own excitement. There's some precedent here with the Switch and I think everyone with a neutral viewpoint can see that the Switch has some hurdles to jump before becoming a huge success. A few of them are outlined in the article.

But if you have a proper line of reasoning that convinces me otherwise, i'm all ears. I'm not averse to having an actual discussion.

Actually, the 3DS launch issues is just a bit overblown, the system wasn't selling ridiculously poorly (although not setting the world on fire by any means) and the price reduction theory doesn't really apply to another system considering it happened so close to launch it might have been a way of Nintendo acknowledging they perhaps went a bit too far with its original ask. That is an exception that I don't expect to see with the Switch and we have no way of knowing how the 3DS would have done without a price drop.

But the thing is, there's some precedent based on what? The Wii U was a much more poorly advertised and everthinged console, a lot of people just didn't know what the fuck it was which is not the case with the Switch. The 3DS faced the death of handheld gaming and had to deal with that. The price drop was what they did to alleviate the situation and they kept building up the library and ended up with a reasonably successful console. Its direct competitor sold 5 times less than its predecessor over pretty much the same span. There's absolutely no way to view the 3DS as anything but a success regardless of how it was achieved.

So the Switch is kind of a mix between both the 3DS and the Wii U philosophically. One is a failure and the other is a hit. It's reasonable to expect the Switch to veer closer to whatever side, we have no concrete way of knowing until it actually happens. What I don't think should be done is just assuming it will do the Wii U thing because reasons and call blind everyone who sees it in a better light.

My point is there's reason to expect it to fail. There's also reason to expect it to be a hit. What is not reasonable is being certain that it will do one or the other. People are of course entitled to their opinions, I just think they shouldn't be damn sure about the outcome. And considering I'm a huge Nintendo fan and I'm interested in seeing the growth of the industry, I side with the "success" side. In dubio pro reo and shit.

 

[mindsale]

It's only laughable in that it took them this long to write it after being caught with other clickbait articles. Many of the points made in the article are valid and have been brought up repeatedly by fellow GAFfers during and in the aftermath of the Switch reveal.

Only the Nintendo Defense Force is blindly glossing over the very significant issues with this console, namely the fact that it's a very expensive, early access device. If you buy it day one, you're taking a significant risk, even more than that of a typical early adopter of other established brands. Those of us who can temper our impatience for a single player game that can also be played on the prior generation system with minor changes are doing what all smart people do: Waiting. Switch is poised to make every mistake they made with the Wii U: Underpowered hardware, poor online systems, missing industry standard features, trickling out first party games over a lengthy period of time, questionable third party support, ancient games being resold as "new", and so on.

Buying this at launch is utterly foolish. I'm pretty certain I'll be able to buy it cheaper or in a more economical bundle in December once we've seen how Nintendo supports the system after launch - or if, as many expect, they completely bungle it again.

I agree with you 100%, though I don't have the patience to wait on Zelda. I know it will collect dust like my launch Wii U did and I know I will play four games in its lifespan and I will grow to resent it, but goddamn, I really want some Zelda.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Everything the article presents is a valid, but HOLY HELL at some of the defensive responses here.

I know I shouldn't expect anything different after what Nintendo fans were doing through the Wii U's early lifecycle and after the clusterfuck that has been the Switch reveal, but still...

 

[Iced Arcade]

I don't entirely think it's another Wii U but I'm also hesitant over the price tag for what it is. I think the price tag is going to be a hurdle after the initial Nintendo fans buy in.

Hard sell when it's the same price but less power and software as the other 2 consoles.

 

[xch1n]

Sony published this 4-5 months before the PS4 was released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OegYm1dM9g

It showcases the social aspects of the system. The issue with not seeing something like this for the Switch is that Nintendo hasn't exactly had a good track record with online play, and will these online features even be ready at release? That could be why online will be free at first, so they can say "well, it's beta, don't complain it's laggy and crashes all the time".

That video overpromised what the launch (and, imo, even current) PS4 would have. The social features are at best half-baked and no one in my friends list ever engages with them. I am sad that miiverse isn't coming over, as it was a gloriously weird thing that Nintendo does so very well.

Will the Switch have Xbox One/PS4 levels of online social features at launch? Probably not. But neither did that Xbox One. This is the beauty of connected consoles - development can continue AND react to what users end up liking the most. Feedback has led to the infinitely improved interfaces on the Microsoft and Sony consoles, and I'm betting it will be the same for the Switch.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Everything the article presents is a valid, but HOLY HELL at some of the defensive responses here.

I know I shouldn't expect anything different after what Nintendo fans were doing through the Wii U's early lifecycle and after the clusterfuck that has been the Switch reveal, but still...

If you think only Nintendo fans are defensive then you need to check any Horizon or Uncharted 4 thread a little bit closer.

 

[RichiRamjag]

It's only laughable in that it took them this long to write it after being caught with other clickbait articles. Many of the points made in the article are valid and have been brought up repeatedly by fellow GAFfers during and in the aftermath of the Switch reveal.

Only the Nintendo Defense Force is blindly glossing over the very significant issues with this console, namely the fact that it's a very expensive, early access device. If you buy it day one, you're taking a significant risk, even more than that of a typical early adopter of other established brands. Those of us who can temper our impatience for a single player game that can also be played on the prior generation system with minor changes are doing what all smart people do: Waiting. Switch is poised to make every mistake they made with the Wii U: Underpowered hardware, poor online systems, missing industry standard features, trickling out first party games over a lengthy period of time, questionable third party support, ancient games being resold as "new", and so on.

Buying this at launch is utterly foolish. I'm pretty certain I'll be able to buy it cheaper or in a more economical bundle in December once we've seen how Nintendo supports the system after launch - or if, as many expect, they completely bungle it again.

Price is subjective. Personally, I don't mind the initial cost to play zelda. I'm hardly the Nintendo defense force(was ripping on them a page back), but I like the system, I've got the cash and I know I'm gonna want the games releasing in the few months after release. Hardly foolish, mate. If it's not for you immediately, then fine, but there's no need to act like you've got something figured out that the rest of us don't.

I don't want Zelda on Wii U, so why would I deprive myself of a game that I want on a console that I know I want as well if I consider the price reasonable?

Between people defending every move Nintendo makes and the people calling it a failure out of the gate, gaf threads are getting a bit pointless. Just an endless retread of posts such as these.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

True. But you also don't get this "Switch is a piece of junk because that's not what I wanted it to be" pov vomited thread upon thread with the 2 other major companies.

Some ppl need to grow up and just admit they're not interested in Nintendo's offering.

I personally don't care for PS and XBox and I'm not splattering it in every thread I come across.

While I do mostly agree with you, it does seem you may be happier just finding a Nintendo specific site, or at least a forum site that has console specific forum areas.

GAF always has lots of sales and console war stuff due to the decision to just have one catch all gaming news/industry discussion forum area.

There'a plenty of console warrior nonsense in the other console threads too, especially around launch. Especially for the Xbox 1 with it being less powerful than the PS4 and costing $100 more because of Kinect which lots of people didn't want. Very similar to Switch being underpowered and overpriced in many people's eyes due to including features they don't want personally.

I think you're right there. The problem with switch is that they seem to be throwing everything at a wall and hoping something sticks, rather than Wii where they had solid gold and they knew it. The joycon could have been a good follow up to the wiimote, but, and maybe I'm mistaken, but I think they missed the opportunity to have that be a thing people want because of the large gap in time from when the Wiimote was on everyone's minds and now 2010 or 11 at the latest, I'd guesstimate). They let the market lapse and as has been said ad nauseum, the mobile market likely sucked that audience all up and it'll be very hard to get them back.

Yeah, they're clearly a little desperate given the Wii U's colossal failure and knowing that the portable market will only continue to shrink as mobile continues to rise.

In some sense, it makes a lot of sense. This is kind of a soft launch without a lot of details on many features, mixed marketing with some ads forcused on the core gamers (Super Bowl ad showing only Zelda), casuals (the 1 2 Switch ad) and families (the play together ad).

It gives them away to see what seems to be working and selling, while launch stock will sell out to their diehards, and allow them to hone in their message through summer and fall when more system seller games like Splatoon 2 and Mario are coming out.

Time will only tell if they do adjust messaging depending on sales, whether things like 1 2 Switch and Arms do well especially, though.

 

[eoa-swam]

So... what's the scoop with hotel Wi-Fi? Why wouldn't it work?

I think that most hotel wi-fi requires a webpage to get access and the Switch doesn't come with a browser.

 

[NolbertoS]

Okay first I will not click the bait article by Polygon. Secondly, its not the second coming of thr Wii U, for one outside of GAF, its already generating alot of buzz among some casuals here and there. The Wii U, confused the hell of alot of people when it came out, as some thought it was a Wii extension, accessory?, it could go on and on. The Switch is doing alot of things right this time around, but you can't please all demographics, so Nintendo is concentrating on high priority items at launch. The Switch is generating too much buzz to dismiss it as white noise. Once March 3 rolls around we'll see how Nintendo keep the momentum going.

 

[jax]

I think that most hotel wi-fi requires a webpage to get access and the Switch doesn't come with a browser.

Except there's a confirmed mini-browser. Try again.

 

[MDSLKTR]

Honestly, why is polygon not banned from GAF?

Reading this laughable article reminds me of the post factual world we are living in, on the other hand polygon adores Trump so this could be intentional.

Sounds like something Trump would say

 

[Dash_Riprock]

If you think only Nintendo fans are defensive then you need to check any Horizon or Uncharted 4 thread a little bit closer.

Sony Too!(tm)

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

And Wii wasn't carried by first party titles alone either.

The Wii was an aberration, look at Gamecube, N64, Wii U. 3/4 last Nintendo consoles struggled mightily against the competition

 

[reelbigtink]

Except there's a confirmed mini-browser. Try again.

This goes against the narrative of a slew of our new juniors.

 

[ZeoVGM]

I'm excited as hell for the Switch. Getting it at midnight. That being said, they seem to be rushing this thing out and it's lacking both basic modern features AND Nintendo-specific features that they just dropped.

- No Netflix at launch.
- No browser at launch.
- Less than 2 weeks away and no details on Virtual Console.
- Less than 2 weeks away and no details on exactly how the online service works.
- STILL no achievement system
- Dropped Miiverse, one of the most unique and fan-favorite aspects of Wii U
- Dropped StreetPass, one of the most unique and fan-favorite aspects of the 3DS

So they're missing basic "2017 console" features while also dropping their own Nintendo features that would be perfect for the console. Because of that, the system UI and features look very bare bones.

 

[Stinkles]

I think that most hotel wi-fi requires a webpage to get access and the Switch doesn't come with a browser.

Oh wow I never thought of that. That would be legit crazy- I don't believe they would not have a workaround.


I'm fact they have to. Lots of consumer routers prompt for a password

 

[Christberg]

What metrics are you using for this? If we are talking about power differential then the Switch has a significantly larger distance to make up than even the Wii U had at the time.

By summer the market will consist of the 6tf Scorpio, 4.3tf PS4Pro, 1.8tf PS4 then the 1.3tf Xbone. The switch, when docked, maxes out at 1tf, then when undocked is rumored to sit at around 0.5-0.6.

Not sure how you can say it's a strong hardware proposition when for £150 more you get a machine 12 times as powerful, albeit one that cannot be turned into a portable.

Spoiler

Waiting for the 'but Scorpio doesn't have a distance sensor!!' response

It's a portable system, dude. Nothing else comes close with those power requirements right now. Playing Zelda while I'm out of town doing boot camp training in 3 weeks sounds mighty damn appealing to me. If a portable/easy carry party system you can dock and have it up the res doesn't appeal to you, that's totally fine. But don't compare it to a fixed box, online play focused system like PS4 because the use case is totally different.

I already have a PC with 2X GTX 1070s hooked up to an 4K TV with an XBox One controller I use for most of my home gaming. I don't give a crap about the hardware refreshes Sony/MS are doing. Considering getting a Pro for Horizon but need to see reviews first (found all of Guerilla's other stuff pretty but very boring.)

 

[gafneo]

Nintendo Switch will repeat every mistake because Wii 1 sold and they still left everyone guessing. I really don't care. I got my money's worth with Zelda day1. Just put Nintendo on PS4 and let Sony port God of War to Switch and accept the tons of money people will give by sharing ips.

 

[BlastProcessing]

I'm torn. On one hand, this seems like a very shallow set of arguments loosely assembled into the vague form of an article. On the other hand, Polygon is an expert on repeated mistakes so I should probably defer to their expertise.

 

[Hoo-doo]

This goes against the narrative of a slew of our new juniors.

I'm reeeaaaaaally curious as to what you are implying with this post.