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[USGamer] Hajime Tabata Reflects on Transformation of Versus XIII to Final Fantasy XV

Koozek

Member
INTERVIEW | The trials of transforming Versus XIII, preparing a global launch, and making Prompto popular.

Now that the dust has settled on Final Fantasy XV and its strong global sales appears to justify hopes for future chapters in the long-running RPG franchise rather than toll its death knell, producer Hajime Tabata can afford to look back and wax philosophical on the project.​


On the transition from Versus:
But what about Versus XIII actually changed in the course of its transformation into FFXV, besides its name and platform? (A key selling point throughout Versus XIII's slow roll of pre-launch publicity was the tag line "Exclusively for PlayStation 3.") As Tabata tells it, practically everything-or at least, everything the team deemed practical, anyway.

"Because the game itself was incomplete, there really wasn't a whole lot brought over, if I'm speaking honestly," he admits. "It's pretty difficult to compare apples and oranges in this case. You have something that was incomplete and never really fully formed. [Versus] was more an idea that an actual game, whereas what we've created here is a complete, finished product.

"However, because the game had already been presented via trailers and other forms of media to the users, one of my goals in developing XV was to preserve the elements that users were aware of and excited about. [...] To the team's credit, they did as much as they could to include what could fit into this new idea, but there were some aspects, of course, that just didn't work."

[...]​


On Stella's removal:
"Take Stella: In that case, the role of heroine for Versus XIII was different than the heroine that we conceived for Final Fantasy XV. But again, because so many players who had seen these trailers were looking forward to playing as this character, if her role in XV was different, then it would be sort of be betraying their expectations, right? So, rather than disappoint users by including a Stella that didn't match what they expected, we went with a different character altogether, Luna. It's easier for both parties that way. That way, the users aren't disappointed because Stella isn't the Stella of their dreams. And for the developers, it's easier because they can focus on creating a character that's their own.​


On Cor's change of role:
"Cor would probably be the first example that comes to mind. In Versus XIII, he was originally conceived as a party member that would be with you the entire time. You'd control him and he'd be there throughout the game, whereas with XV, we decided to focus solely on the relationships between the four guys. You know, they're all the same age, and they have their relationships. So while we kept Cor in the game, he takes on a different role than he did before, more of a mentor, if you will. So as a character, he's relatively the same. It's only his position and presentation in the game that changed between Versus XIII and XV."​

More at the link.
 
I feel like this is a good response in regards to Stella. Of course I'd also have to ignore the multiple times they talked about how much of a better and "stronger" character Luna is by comparison.

I find it hilarious that Cor is not a main party member cause he's too old to hang with the kids.
 
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"Because the game itself was incomplete, there really wasn't a whole lot brought over, if I'm speaking honestly," he admits. "It's pretty difficult to compare apples and oranges in this case. You have something that was incomplete and never really fully formed. [Versus] was more an idea that an actual game, whereas what we've created here is a complete, finished product. [/INDENT]





More at the link.
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Like wtf was nomura/Square(blame whoever whatever) doing for freaking years
 
That's a really bad reason to remove Cor.
The dynamic of four bro's versus four bro's + one pseudo-uncle is completely different.

If he was in the final game, I'd expect the main cast to stay in the car while he goes into the store to buy cigarettes and pay for gas.
 

Salarians

Member
So, rather than disappoint users by including a Stella that didn't match what they expected, we went with a different character altogether, Luna. It's easier for both parties that way. That way, the users aren't disappointed because Stella isn't the Stella of their dreams. And for the developers, it's easier because they can focus on creating a character that's their own.
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Magnus

Member
Stella was an NPC in a bunch of trailers for a game that was never really built. How and why the community got so attached to her and why they're so angry she didn't make it into an almost entirely new game is beyond me. People always get way too invested in early trailers imo.

It's really the same with Versus. People clamour for the "real" Versus after experiencing XV...but did it ever even exist? Outside of ideas in Nomura's interviews?

I remember one or two gameplay vids at best - battle scenes. And they struck me as barebones proof of concept vids. They looked like KH style battles, not dissimilar to the final product.

For all my problems with XV and my lousy opinion of the final product, I commend Tabata and co. for taking what seems like a smoking wreck of a project and turning it into something successful, at least by the measure of sales.
 

Ray Down

Banned
[Versus] was more an idea that an actual game, whereas what we've created here is a complete, finished product.

BASED TABATA.

Admittedly most of the time it was an idea with little to nobody working on it.

All those early FNC titles were announced basically with just ideas they had floating around.
 

Wagram

Member
"It's pretty difficult to compare apples and oranges in this case. You have something that was incomplete and never really fully formed. [Versus] was more an idea that an actual game, whereas what we've created here is a complete, finished product.

Yeah, sure it is Tabata. We all believe you.

P.S. Luna is still a trash character.
 

Vic_Viper

Member
That Stella justification is so strange and ridiculous. It makes no sense why they'd reason like that.

Why do you say that? Instead of leaving Stella in the game they decided to replace her completely since she obviously wasn't going to be the same character.
 

BadWolf

Member
Yeah, it became obvious that they almost started from scratch when they re-announced it as FFXV.

They did an excellent job with it.
 

SolVanderlyn

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Good read, confirms (again) that Versus XIII was never much of a project outside of its conceptual stages.
I legit forgot about Cor. Jesus. He has...what, 5 minutes of screen time in a 40 hour game?
That will soon change.
 
This is kinda sad you know. I remember in 2011 when we got that amazing 5 minutes Versus XIII trailer and then a few weeks later we got the news that the game would still enter in the full production phase.
 

Mesoian

Member
Yeah, it became obvious that they almost started from scratch when they re-announced it as FFXV.

They did an excellent job with it.

Well, let's not get crazy. I liked the game, but the back half is pretty terrible.

Someone once put it like, "they stayed up too long studying for the SAT's the night before, and while the first half was very good, they looked up and noticed they were running out of time so they just started filling in the bubbles arbitrarily. ABCACACCBCA-"

That game is fun to play, but man...a lot of the decisions they made narratively and plotwise are more than questionable.

Good read, confirms (again) that Versus XIII was never much of a project outside of its conceptual stages.

That will soon change.

Which sort of makes this interview all the more hilarious.
 
Why do you say that? Instead of leaving Stella in the game they decided to replace her completely since she obviously wasn't going to be the same character.

Replacing a character with a different character because that character wasn't going to be the same character.

My brain hurts.
 

Koozek

Member
That Stella justification is so strange and ridiculous. It makes no sense why they'd reason like that.
What about it doesn't make sense? What people expected Stella to be like from the early concepts and trailers would've been completely different from the new Stella they would've gotten in FFXV (fortunately, we now know what her role in the original Versus plot would've been and it indeed was completely different). There would've been backlash anyway if they kept the name for FFXV - "Why wasn't she bad-ass and why didn't Stella fight Noctis!?".
 
I always thought Cor's sudden inclusion in some of the earlier Nomura!XV promos seemed somewhat weird. He always seemed like the odd duck of the group as far as the dynamic went, and he never seemed to be played up as much. Like I remember the E3 trailer showing the main four prominently and then in some interviews afterward they went, "oh yeah, this is Cor, he's the fifth guy".

Still though, it would've been cool to have him, Iris, and Aranea as full-time party members.
 
What about it doesn't make sense? What people expected Stella to be like from the early concepts and trailers would've been completely different from the new Stella they would've gotten in FFXV (fortunately, we now know what her role in the original Versus plot would've been and it indeed was completely different). There would've been backlash anyway if they kept the name for FFXV - "Why wasn't she bad-ass and why didn't Stella fight Noctis!?".

Do we? Just looks like another 4chan rumor people are assuming is 100% as usual.

Imagine the fallout if they kept Stella for Luna's role.

The people who prefer the old stuff they showed for Versus over what we have with XV would have gone INSANE.
 

SaniOYOYOY

Member
On Stella's removal:
"Take Stella: In that case, the role of heroine for Versus XIII was different than the heroine that we conceived for Final Fantasy XV. But again, because so many players who had seen these trailers were looking forward to playing as this character, if her role in XV was different, then it would be sort of be betraying their expectations, right? So, rather than disappoint users by including a Stella that didn't match what they expected, we went with a different character altogether, Luna. It's easier for both parties that way. That way, the users aren't disappointed because Stella isn't the Stella of their dreams. And for the developers, it's easier because they can focus on creating a character that's their own.​

oh wow, Im 100% sure if they didnt change stella into luna the backlash will be even bigger, a nice bullet dodge.

and yeah SE, get a writer.. and less multimedia storytelling please
 

Mesoian

Member
Bullshit .

::Shrug::

Not like we'll ever know.

But I doubt the fallout would have been any worse than a bunch of the elements from Kingsgrave not actually being in FF15, or Chapter 13, or most of the events after Chapter 13, or the ending...

The game has a lot of trouble spots that wouldn't be brightened or mired by the misappropriation of a character that was present, but who's role was either reduced, made obsolete or made redundant for being there.
 

Mesoian

Member
I always thought Cor's sudden inclusion in some of the earlier Nomura!XV promos seemed somewhat weird. He always seemed like the odd duck of the group as far as the dynamic went, and he never seemed to be played up as much. Like I remember the E3 trailer showing the main four prominently and then in some interviews afterward they went, "oh yeah, this is Cor, he's the fifth guy".

Still though, it would've been cool to have him, Iris, and Aranea as full-time party members.

It's so mindboggling because, in the end, other than for the sake of the perception of brotherhood, there's no reason why they couldn't have been.
 

Ray Down

Banned
『Inaba Resident』;232704139 said:
Do you know the track record for this game's leaks?

Wasn't the fact that you can discover an unfinished hub after Chapter 12 confirm this whole thing, lol.
 

JayEH

Junior Member
Nice of him to clear this up directly since we've had all the rumors going around with regards to Versus 13. Might stop people from whining about the "original vision".
 
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