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LTTP: Bloodborne is good but not great (spoilers)

Powwa

Member
Oh boy, GAF will hunt me down for this but here I go.

Let me start out by saying this is my first Souls game, I haven't played any other game in the series and I was excited to try this one out. First the good parts. I found the voice acting, music, character designs and atmosphere to be really good. It really manages to be scary quite often, dare I say it is scarier than a lot of horror games. Graphics is on the weaker side but it does the job. There are a couple amazing boss fights that puts you on the edge of your seat like Father Gascoigne (especially if you don't use the music box), Vicar Amelia and BloodStarved Beast.

But on the other hand there are a lot of things I disliked. As game progresses it gets way easier and bosses doesn't offer different mechanics/challenges (Except Martyr Logarius). Amygdala, Ebrietas, Paarl are just really similar to each other meanwhile bosses like Celestial Emissary, Micolash and Witch of Hemwick are a snoozefest. Then there is farming for blood vials. This gets better by the end of the game because you don't use them as much. However especially at the beginning it's a chore to run out of blood and vials due to difficult fights. It makes you fight with same enemies over and over again to gather enough vials to move on with your main adventure. This kinda kills the pace for me.

One other thing I didn't like was by passing all the mobs to just get to the boss. There are bosses you will die a couple times and naturally you will want to fight again. Just to get to the boss you will often need to run past enemies that are on the way. You don't want to fight them because you will either lose HP or lose a lot of time because quite often they are harder to deal with than the boss itself. This sprinting part really adds nothing to the game other than frustration and time wasting. In most RPGs after failing a boss fight it takes you back as well but the monsters on the way aren't such a pain to deal with so it's alright to just have a few fights again. Bloodborne often punishes you for taking these fights, because after these fights there is a big chance they will not drop any vials.

I think the thing I'm most disappointed is the ending though. I haven't checked any guides before Gehrman so I wasn't aware it was point of no return. Then I chose to submit my life...

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Right after the cinematic I was like fuck. I just missed the boss fight and it puts me all the way to the beginning. There is really no way to go back to this part other than spending hours to beat the game once again, are you kidding me? Take Zelda for example,
if you miss a memory and finish the game you get to see the bad ending but it doesn't put you right at the beginning, it gives you another chance to collect the memories to get the true ending.
I get it, different games and genre but messing up once basically loses you 20-30 hours of gameplay time. Did anyone really think this was a good idea?

Edit: Well obviously nobody bothered to read my second post so here it is:

Okay, I've read your replies in the thread and I feel like I should clarify a couple points some of you making.

"Your English isn't good/Dude you submit your life, what did you expect?"

I knew what it meant but I thought about the possibility of waking up from the dream and fighting the real boss. Worst case scenario I thought I'd get a "You Died" screen to try again. Never did I think it would put me all the way to the beginning. Game gave me the middle finger for spending hours for a single fuck up. If you are fine with it that's fine, but I don't like it in the slightest.

"You don't farm for vials, you can just buy them"

Yes, I am aware of that and this isn't the case after a while. But like I mentioned especially at the beginning there are boss fights you lose quite a few times. At least that was the case for me as I was still learning the mechanics. When you keep dying to a boss, you lose your blood and run out of vials. After that you want to farm for blood/vials but in the same time you also want to level because you are not strong enough. You are using the same pool of resource for leveling and buying vials so it will not be enough for a while. You summon in a certain point of the map, clear the relatively easy monsters and repeat the process a couple times. This for me killed the excitement and pace of the game at certain times.

"Git gud"

I already got good. That's what I'm saying, game stops being challenging as it progress. The second half of the game I killed most of the bosses on my second or third try because most of the moves are really similar to each other. I killed Micolash and Wet Nurse on the first try without any issues. I wasn't overleveled either as I was around 60 when I arrived at Gehrman.

"Game is great/You are wrong"

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I mean it's good but I wouldn't call it the game of the generation as some people call here.
I still respect your opinion though.
 

Roubjon

Member
One of your biggest and understandable frustrations is the blood vial farming. But they patched the game a long time ago and you can buy those now.
 

Kinsei

Banned
Logarius is one of the easiest bosses in the game for me. I have no clue how someone could find him harder than Amygdala and Ebrietas.

The game makes it incredibly clear you're about to fight the final boss. Also the guy says he'll kill you and you just say okay? What was going through your head?
 
Totally agree with everything.

+ this game doesn't offer enough replayability.

With two Platinums and more than 6-7 playthroughs, I'm going to have to personally disagree but if you don't love the game that much obviously you're not going to revisit it as much as those who do.

Yeah, and you don't really realize it until the second playthrough but BB is super small compared to the other Souls games.

Which is fantastic and speaks to the game/environmental design IMO.
 

sappyday

Member
All valid points. Farming blood vials sucks at the beginning, but the issue goes away later on, but the Souls game didn't have this problem (not counting Demon's).

Running to the boss is tedious but that's pretty much it.


Skipping straight to NG+ was a dumb decision especially since DS2 fixed this. But the way to unlock those final bosses are all part of the weird and obtuse lore the game has. Some will hate it for it but a lot will love that kind of stuff and is a primary reason they get drawn into the world of these games.


I also don't think the game is the best in the series but these issues are really a non issue.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
i love the game but i agree that it doesn't have much replayability. i've only played it twice and am struggling to bring myself to play it for a third time. maybe give it a couple years before returning to it.
 

DMONKUMA

Junior Member
Sums up the Souls series in general.

Yeah. Souls games are good, really good actually but not the masterpieces that the Internet makes it seem. That might be due to my taste however.

I will say Bloodborne is the best of these types of games however. It made me actually care for Dark Souls 3.
 
Right after the cinematic I was like fuck. I just missed the boss fight and it puts me all the way to the beginning. There is really no way to go back to this part other than spending hours to beat the game once again, are you kidding me?

I don't find this to be a negative at all. Choices have consequences. If anything, it adds to replayability and as much as I enjoyed Bloodborne, I loved it even more on NG+.
 

rackham

Banned
your post is wrong op. It literally says submit your life ffs. Also, "snoozefest" isn't a proper way to describe why something is bad.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah that happened to me too. it was my first souls game and i had just willed my way to the end. picking the wrong choice was the worst thing the game could have done. i was depressed, dejected and just wanted to crawl up and cry.

what was worse was that Sony auto save upload wasnt working during that week so i couldnt download last night's save instead of starting from scratch. NG+ was a great experience, but then a save got corrupted mid way through the game and i had to start again lol.

So yeah, if you have PS+. Just download last night's save from the cloud. should save you a 15-20 hours.
 

Frostman

Member
Totally agree with everything.

+ this game doesn't offer enough replayability.

I disagree. The atmosphere kept me replaying. Adding to that how much I enjoyed many of the weapons in BB, I've played through into NG++++ and started multiple new characters.

But I was also someone who enjoyed the Chalice dungeons.

Edit: just to add, I agree on the 'Submit your life' ending being bad, but it didn't sour me.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
The thing people don't get about blood vials is you should buy them and bullets with left over blood echoes after you're done upgrading. I never ever came close to having to farm them once in the game after I started doing that. Don't hold onto blood echoes, spend those things.
 

cakely

Member
OP, I think you'll be really impressed just how fast you can blow through the game on a second playthough, and just how actually good you became during your first playthrough. Bosses that gave you issues will just melt away.

If it's any consolation, there's a specific trophy for submitting, and another
two
for not.

Also, Bloodborne is probably my game of the generation, so I have to disagree with you on it not being great.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
BTW, there is another boss fight after Germain. So go and collect all the umbilical cords this time before you fight him. there are three. look them up.
 

BHK3

Banned
I didn't have to farm for blood vials because I never had to use that many *shrugs*

My only complaint with the game is the horrible frenzy mechanic and every fucking enemy associated with it. And the dungeons which are built to be on like 10x difficulty modifiers with no balance given to them.
 

Nev

Banned
So, Micolash, the witch and Celestial Emissary being easy and farming for vials (which you rarely must do because you can buy 999 and have them replenish as you respawn) and the fact that you made the "wrong" choice at the end of the game and are upset that the game is unforgiving and doesn't let you rewind or savescum make it go from "great" to "good".

Boy I wish every game's problems were those.

PD: The run to the boss is a series staple since Demon's Souls and it's a design choice. If you think it's "bad" in Bloodborne I can't imagine you going through the dragon bridge in Demon's Souls to retry the fight with the Tower Knight as your first Souls game.

this game doesn't offer enough replayability.

That must be the reason why I've beaten it double the times than any of the other Souls games.
 
Blood Vial farming is rough, I'll definitely agree with you there. I remember spending a good deal of time on the big dudes in Yharnam near the elevator since they had a good drop rate. It wouldn't have been as bad if you could just rest at the lamp instead of teleporting and loading to the Dream.

Other than that, I don't really agree with much of what you're saying, but I'm not going to go beat by beat to refute everything. I recommend you go through NG+. You'll have an easier time since you keep your weapons and upgrades, and now you know how everything works. If you just want to go to Gehrman, there are only a few mandatory bosses.

Gascoigne>Amelia>Shadows of Yharnam>Rom>One Reborn>Micolash>Mergo's Wet Nurse>Gehrman.

You can speed through that in a couple hours if you're confident in your skills. Gascoigne can be parried in all three forms and you can take him down in a matter of two minutes if you land every one.
 

Servbot24

Banned
I never really got the vial farming complaint, except for maybe the very beginning of the game. They're so cheap to just buy.
 

Kill3r7

Member
So, Micolash, the witch and Celestial Emissary being easy and farming for vials (which you rarely must do because you can buy 999 and have them replenish as you respawn) and the fact that you made the "wrong" choice at the end of the game and are upset that the game is unforgiving and doesn't let you rewind or savescum make it go from "great" to "good".

Boy I wish every game's problems were those.



That must be the reason why I've beaten it double the times than any of the other Souls games.

To be fair that was not always the case. Also, for anyone who beat the game before the first few patches the load times were ridiculous. Although in my case absolutely necessary to refocus before re-entering the fray.

BB is a great game on par with Dark Souls and all the quality of life improvements have made the game even better.
 
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