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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED

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KevinG

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Grabbed La La LAnd in 4K, and I assume that the digital copy will be UHD as well?

As I do not own a UHD player yet, but Arrival looked nice enough in UHD Vudu, so I'm hoping La La Land is the same.
 
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dallow_bg

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KevinG said:
Grabbed La La LAnd in 4K, and I assume that the digital copy will be UHD as well?

As I do not own a UHD player yet, but Arrival looked nice enough in UHD Vudu, so I'm hoping La La Land is the same.
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No, I'd wait to redeem it.

"Cannot redeem now to get UHD. Lionsgate says to wait for VUDU to add it in UHD. (No Timeline) Or redeem in HDX and call later for an upgrade (Flixster will not be adding it)"

Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsJkCX4DIv2oeCKQ7zp2ArkR1qKEXCUuCMBbUtHtmh4/edit#gid=0

This is what I use to check on the status of UHD digital codes.
Only a few studios allow for the title to port to Vudu in UHD.
 
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KevinG

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dallow_bg said:
No, I'd wait to redeem it.

"Cannot redeem now to get UHD. Lionsgate says to wait for VUDU to add it in UHD. (No Timeline) Or redeem in HDX and call later for an upgrade (Flixster will not be adding it)"

Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsJkCX4DIv2oeCKQ7zp2ArkR1qKEXCUuCMBbUtHtmh4/edit#gid=0

This is what I use to check on the status of UHD digital codes.
Only a few studios allow for the title to port to Vudu in UHD.
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Thanks for this.

I'm bummed as this was for an at home date night with the wife tonight, but now I feel like I should just return the movie.
 
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Yappadappadu

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At least you US guys have VUDU.
We Europeans only have amazon to stream a few of the latest movies in UHD, and then we can't even rent them and have to buy for 20+€ which is ridiculous.
 
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BriareosGAF

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Yappadappadu said:
Same.
Using an AVR basically fixes the handshaking issues. Mostly concerns the C6, E6 and G6, not the B6.
Wonder whether the 2017 LG OLEDs are also affected.
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I'm picking up a Pro on Sunday, and have a C7, can experiment if you'd like. Only config I had to do with the Xbox One S was to switch the C7 to Deep Color Mode, otherwise HDR would not engage.
 
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e90Mark

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Target thru Cartwheel app has 20% off blu-rays if you were gonna shop for something. I ended up getting the Target exclusive Rogue One collector's edition. I should've gotten PE2 and Lucy.

You can use it up to 4 movies, IIRC.
 
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Yappadappadu

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BriareosGAF said:
I'm picking up a Pro on Sunday, and have a C7, can experiment if you'd like. Only config I had to do with the Xbox One S was to switch the C7 to Deep Color Mode, otherwise HDR would not engage.
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Sure, would be interesting whether you notice any handshake issues by having the Pro directly connected to the TV and using HDCP 2.2/HDR.
 
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abbyabs

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Can anyone recommend me a none TN 24-27 inch 1080p Monitor for my PS4 & macbook pro, I would need 2 HDMI ports or 1 HDMI and DVI/DP. I was looking at some of the benq monitors but no idea if VA is good for consoles gaming?
 
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Geneijin

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guitarguy316 said:
Well that $450 is for hdr, gaming, isf dark, and isf bright.
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As long as you know what to expect, I would recommend it either way whether it's DIY or paid for. I wouldn't pay $450 though because I'm a cheapskate.

Rhazer Fusion said:
Nah. With that money, I would get a nice AV Receiver or something. Imagine if you spend all of that money and you are not genuinely ecstatic about the way the picture settings look. I think you can even look online at some recommended picture settings for those modes for your OLED like AVS Forums on youtube if I remember correctly.
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That's never a solution because of panel lottery. You do more harm than good because you'll never achieve a good grayscale through sheer chance.
 
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III-V

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Geneijin said:
As long as you know what to expect, I would recommend it either way whether it's DIY or paid for. I wouldn't pay $450 though because I'm a cheapskate.


That's never a solution because of panel lottery. You do more harm than good because you'll never achieve a good grayscale through sheer chance.
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The investment required for DIY is 100% worth it. You also get the satisfaction of completion and getting a good result whenever you want.
 
vpance

vpance

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LG B7 HDTVpolska Review

Really in depth review. I'm not sure but I think they're showing that the TV can maintain steady brightness up to 70% APL before ABL starts to kick in. I think it's for SDR and set to half brightness.

Uniformity was even better than the Sony A1 they tested.
 
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tmdorsey

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Vanillalite said:
I feel like a lot of 2017 TVs are sorta no goes due to pricing unless you are willing to go top end. They are better than the 2016 models comparing TV to TV obviously, but you can get a better model 2016 TV on the cheaper low.
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Sony's 2017 lineup seems pretty good starting with the 900e and going up from there.
 
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Chris_Rivera

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A1E have exact input lag measurements yet across all modes? I don't understand why they can't just provide it like LG did.

For strictly gaming, outside of BFI, would the A1E have motion blur improvements over the C7? I'm seriously doubting this 28ms A1E owners are saying. Is it 28ms with motion processing (not just BFI) enabled?

I can't choose which I'm going to bone down for.
 
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Madness

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RedlineRonin said:
$5,500?

Same price as the A1 for the same size?

Who is this TV for?
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Keep in mind this television was out before most of the newer models. Rtings is just reviewing it several months too late. Imagine what a Z9E would be this year. Their level of local dimming, full array backlighting with more zones, getting better DCI values and brightness that could be beyond 2000 nits if they can get similar Z9D levels on the X930E this year.

Again, the HDR on these sets is ridiculous if you see it properly calibrated. Seems weird to say but more 'impressive' than what OLED provides in my opinion. Something obviously OLED will rectify in the coming years as they improve brightness levels.
 
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RedlineRonin

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Madness said:
Keep in mind this television was out before most of the newer models. Rtings is just reviewing it several months too late. Imagine what a Z9E would be this year. Their level of local dimming, full array backlighting with more zones, getting better DCI values and brightness that could be beyond 2000 nits if they can get similar Z9D levels on the X930E this year.

Again, the HDR on these sets is ridiculous if you see it properly calibrated. Seems weird to say but more 'impressive' than what OLED provides in my opinion. Something obviously OLED will rectify in the coming years as they improve brightness levels.
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Thanks. That's what I wasn't piecing together. I thought Z9D was a '16 model and wasn't sure why a review was coming now.
 
Theonik

Theonik

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RedlineRonin said:
I get the brightness/nits argument (tho i don't entirely agree) but what else? It's the same X1 Extreme isn't it?
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The Z9D was the 2016 flagship that introduced the X1 Extreme that is standard to most high end Sony sets this year. The brightness advantage is quite significant in HDR content. Moreover, motion handling with the appropriate motion settings enabled is pretty great exceeding most competing sets. Without it enabled it will have the issues normally exhibited by LCD panels due to higher pixel response times. Only reason to not use Motionflow in the Clear setting is being sensitive to flicker.
 
TheBoss1

TheBoss1

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Metalstrike said:
Rtings review of the Sony Z9D

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/z9d
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One flaw (of many) in their rating scale is that they don't factor in the contrast ratio you get from having local dimming engaged. Let's be honest, 99% of people who buy these type of TVs are going to have it engaged. People aren't gonna buy a set that has this major feature to have it disabled. ~8000:1 contrast ratio is insane but the native contrast ratio of ~4300:1 is what's being considered in their rating.
 
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KevinG

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Mario Kart 8 Deluxe looked so awesome on my B6, but I sat way too close and at a really low angle and that motion sickness punched me in the face.

It has been a few hours since I turned it off, but I'm still reeling from it.
 
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J-Rzez

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TheBoss1 said:
Input lag is higher depending on the source (4K, 1080P) but I think only the most sensitive gamers would notice the difference.
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Its about a 10ms difference since I mainly PC game at 2160. That's not game changing to me at least. If there was say a 30+ difference, it would be too much.

I'm excited though. Can't wait. Waiting for my bonus check and buying the 65". I'm kicking doing either a 49" 900E, or 55" A1E for my computer monitor full time. Ill use the 65" when I want to play and rock out with my surround sound system downstairs.
 
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DOT DASH DOT

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Eiji said:
It's a no brainer to get the Panasonic DX900 / DX902 instead of the ZD9 if it's available in your country, it's much cheaper too.
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Yeah I have the 902 and it out specs the ZD in every way, bar the ZD has 130 more zones, 512 vs 640, I've said it for ages that the DX is the best LCD you can get for your money.
 
Theonik

Theonik

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Eiji said:
It's a no brainer to get the Panasonic DX900 / DX902 instead of the ZD9 if it's available in your country, it's much cheaper too.
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The ZD9 is a better set in most ways the only thing the DX902 has over it is in value.
It's a fantastic alternative though and would be my main recommendation.

TheBoss1 said:
One flaw (of many) in their rating scale is that they don't factor in the contrast ratio you get from having local dimming engaged. Let's be honest, 99% of people who buy these type of TVs are going to have it engaged. People aren't gonna buy a set that has this major feature to have it disabled. ~8000:1 contrast ratio is insane but the native contrast ratio of ~4300:1 is what's being considered in their rating.
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I mean they gave it a motion rating based on its performance without backlight scanning. lol
 
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DOT DASH DOT

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Theonik said:
The ZD9 is a better set in most ways the only thing the DX902 has over it is in value.
It's a fantastic alternative though and would be my main recommendation.
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The ZD9 being better in most ways is an myth! And a bit irritating, especially as the DX is so much cheaper, more expensive doesn't always mean it has to be better.

DX has better motion by far without resorting to any interpolation, which in turn looks nicer for gaming and with less lag. Which is actually important that they test like that from a gaming perspective.

Even then using interpolation on the DX only adds 12ms to around 47ms vs 100ms on the ZD!

DX covers 98% DCI vs 95-96 ZD
DX has lower input lag for 1080p 444 chroma 35 vs 42, and the DX has input lag in the late 20's for 4K too.
DX has the highest full screen brightness of any TV 800+nits vs 650 ish, also the DX gets up to 1300 nits which is just behind the ZD's 1600 or so.

DX has 4 HDMI HDCP 2.2 ports vs just 2 on the ZD

ZD has 130 more zones and has a bit less blooming basically.

How is it better in most ways?
 
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coiler

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Can anyone help me by uploading the SW File(Version 04.31.10) update for LG 55B6?
The one on Lg page keeps giving an error while unzipping all the time :/
 
Theonik

Theonik

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DOT DASH DOT said:
The ZD9 being better in most ways is an myth!

DX has better motion by far without resorting to any interpolation, which in turn looks nicer for gaming and with less lag.

DX covers 98% DCI vs 95-96 ZD
DX has lower input lag for 1080p 444 chroma 35 vs 42
DX has the highest full screen brightness of any TV 800+nits vs 650 ish

ZD has 130 more zones and has a bit less blooming basically.
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Aside from the greater DCI coverage, which is true though at the time those figures were obtained most sites were using less strict measurements to obtain those values.

To address your other points:

The best the DX902 can do in terms of motion resolution and that's with frame interpolation on, is 650 lines vs 1080 on the ZD. Using backlight scanning or BFI both sets are at least comparable but the ZD tends to perform better.

In game mode with 1080p content the ZD does about 42ms, at the expense of local dimming and jumps to 45ms with it on. The DX902 actually measures closer to 38. Ultimately this difference is negligible, and I suspect most users of these displays will be feeding them either 4K native content or pre-upscaled content which would be what you get from say a PS4 Pro.

As for brightness, the ZD comes at 1810nits of peak brightness with a full screen brightness of 750nits. The DX902 on the other hand has a peak brightness of about 1310nits with a full screen brightness of 883nit which makes it slightly brighter when displaying a fully white screen, but loses in peak brightness which in turn has a much bigger impact in HDR performance.

source 1, source 2

In most if not all aspects, the Z9D is either equivalent or slightly better while in others slightly worse, but the difference in peak brightness, blooming, and motion is significant.

The ZD also comes with Android and is going to be getting apps and software updates for years to come and is even getting DV this year when Nougat lands.

Now, as I said, the DX offers significantly better value and is a great alternative to the ZD but the ZD is the better set of the two.
 
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DOT DASH DOT

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Theonik said:
Aside from the greater DCI coverage, which is true though at the time those figures were obtained most sites were using less strict measurements to obtain those values.

To address your other points:

The best the DX902 can do in terms of motion resolution and that's with frame interpolation on, is 650 lines vs 1080 on the ZD. Using backlight scanning or BFI both sets are at least comparable but the ZD tends to perform better.

In game mode with 1080p content the ZD does about 42ms, at the expense of local dimming and jumps to 45ms with it on. The DX902 actually measures closer to 38. Ultimately this difference is negligible, and I suspect most users of these displays will be feeding them either 4K native content or pre-upscaled content which would be what you get from say a PS4 Pro.

As for brightness, the ZD comes at 1810nits of peak brightness with a full screen brightness of 750nits. The DX902 on the other hand has a peak brightness of about 1310nits with a full screen brightness of 883nit which makes it slightly brighter when displaying a fully white screen, but loses in peak brightness which in turn has a much bigger impact in HDR performance.

source 1, source 2

In most if not all aspects, the Z9D is either equivalent or slightly better while in others slightly worse, but the difference in peak brightness, blooming, and motion is significant.

The ZD also comes with Android and is going to be getting apps and software updates for years to come and is even getting DV this year when Nougat lands.

Now, as I said, the DX offers significantly better value and is a great alternative to the ZD but the ZD is the better set of the two.
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"The only way to obtain 1080 motion resolution without incurring SOE on the Panasonic TX58DX902B was through certain permutations in the [IFC] Custom submenu"

So that's that.

The rest of your argument is basically backing up what I've already said, and the line that ZD is better in most ways is completely inaccurate.

Rtings measures peak ZD brightness in the 1600 range.
And as for BFI it's not even an option any gamer will want to use especially in the 100ms range, whereas it's useable on the DX at around 50, and with 1080 line res.
 
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