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Millionaire to Millennials: Stop Buying Avocado Toast If You Want to Buy a Home

I think in general he has a point. I just spent about £6 on my lunch, which is way more than I usually would. I to find somewhere cheaper to go.

Throughout university and my life since then, I have met a lot of people who don't seem to grasp the concept of saving money. People who complain they are broke and then in the same week go and spend £50 on new clothes or shoes. Not for any purpose, just because they wanted them. Our generation doesn't seem to "get" saving.
 
Where the fuck is this guy buying his avocados? Around here you can find them for like a dollar each at all supermarkets. Unless you're buying Whole Foods organic shit.
 

Ron Mexico

Member
So, at the risk of getting lost in a sea of posts about avocados, I'll offer up a modest strategy that netted me a modest home in a modest area for a modest price. It's not sexy. It's not perfect. I made plenty of mistakes along the way.

I worked retail while I was in school (relatively unimportant other than the networking), which led to my first bank gig after chatting with the tellers about how much Electronics Boutique sucked after going public. Finished my degree in '02, but at that point the piece of paper was less valuable than my body of work, but that's a story for another day.

From '02 to '13, I lived in 4 (maybe 5?) different apartments, looking for the best combination of affordability and lifestyle. Didn't save much (only thing I did well was invest in my 401(k) to the extent my employer matched). Didn't have much to save. Pissed away more than I should have, but hey, wanted to live a little too. Went through a divorce which changed a lot of my philosophies.

In 2013, I decided I was stable enough in my career that I wanted to buy a home (and I'm from central NJ if this helps from a cost of living standpoint). I didn't have a ton of cash. My 401(k) was really my only asset and the only thing I could really be somewhat proud of. Still, I sensed the market wasn't going to go any lower in the wake of '08 (I was wrong), so I searched high and low, ultimately finding a 2 BR/1.5 BA small little townhouse in a totally nondescript suburb an hour from Philly and 1:45ish from NYC. Still had no real down payment. However, I checked the county I lived in, found a homebuyer grant for those making under the median income (as I wasn't and am still not a millionaire) and borrowed a small amount from my 401(k) to cover the rest. Since it was a nothing townhouse in a neighborhood considered boring to a fault, the price I paid was well below market value as the seller just needed to get out. Took me quite some time to find (north of 6 months iirc from searching to the closing table), but their loss (in terms of sale price) was my gain.

And I know the response is "but the real estate market here blows!!". It does now. I'm not taking that away from you. But markets are cyclical in nature. This is all about being ready when the cycle swings (even slightly) into your favor. Anyway.

With the equity from buying a place for less than its appraised value, I took out a home equity line of credit to replace the HVAC and a few other very small repairs (outside of the HVAC, nothing else I did to that place was more than $1k). I'm still not happy. There's nothing to do in this town and frankly, my ride to work was pretty shitty. But prices were starting to come up a bit as competition was picking up and rates, which I thought would never go lower, did. Opportunity knocking.

I put the house on the market but chose a shitty real estate agent who didn't really offer the direction I needed and let the house languish on the market for longer than it should have. What goes around comes around I guess. But while my townhouse is out there on the market, I take a job in Philadelphia which would make the commute that much worse. Shit. Need to figure something out pronto now.

Which brings me to last July. I started by looking right in the heart of the exact area I wanted to live in. Found either homes in shambles or with asking prices out of touch with reality. Started making small, concentric circles outside of that area, in the hopes of finding that location/value mix. Settled on a nice 1900 sq ft colonial on a quarter acre 10 minutes outside of Philly.

But I still needed to sell my townhouse. Ended up taking it on the chin and selling the townhouse for $20k under asking, with me giving an additional $5k assist at closing. Now, the only way I could have supported this was by buying my initial townhouse at under value because it was in an area that wasn't "ideal" and lacking in the entertainment value. Led me to putting down less than the 20% I had wanted to on my current house, but the cost of my mortgage including PMI was less than the opportunity cost for waiting and the quality of life cost of what my commute would have been.

So the moral of the story is this-- once again the market sucks right now. You won't hear me say otherwise. Instead, what I will say is the market is cyclical and to get ahead, it's a matter of being able to read the signs and think both logically and outside the box. I got that first townhouse, that one at a fair bit under it's market value, because I bought in an area that my contemporaries thought was too boring. I bought it because although I didn't have children, the school district was good. Turns out, I sold to a single mother who chose my house because of the school district for her son.

And now back to your regularly scheduled avocado bitching already in progress.
 

Jintor

Member
if you want to take his point as general though it's so bland and paste-like general as to apply to anything. "If people saved money, they'd have money" what a fucking genius concept. they could save all their money, pinch and scrimp and save and sell a kidney or their blood and still not be able to get anywhere near the deposit required for a home on a train line anywhere in sydney's CBD or within a fuckin hour of sydney's CBD or anywhere near public transport either.

fuck this man, fuck his apartments, and fuck the avocado horse he rode in on
 
I see the guy's general point. Some people are so focused on showing off every facet of their life through social media than it probably is a huge financial drain.

I get buying nice clothes, shoes, but some people put everything on display now.
 
I see the guy's general point. Some people are so focused on showing off every facet of their life through social media than it probably is a huge financial drain.

I get buying nice clothes, shoes, but some people put everything on display now.

Avocados are like 80 cents...
 

TBiddy

Member
Avocados are like 80 cents...

It's not about the avocado. It's about people spending lots of money on stuff they don't need, only to complain that they don't have any money for a house.

edit: I mean, it's even right there in the article:

"We're at a point now where the expectations of younger people are very, very high," Gruner said. "They want to eat out every day, they want to travel to Europe every year. The people that own homes today worked very, very hard for it, saved every dollar, did everything they could to get up the property investment ladder."
 

GHG

Gold Member
Damn millennials and their avacados.

If supermarket s feel any sense of responsibility for future generations then they will remove avocados from sale immediately.
 
Avocados are like 80 cents...

Which is why I said I see the guy's 'general' point.

Young people spend a ton of money on food if my social media feeds are anything to go by.

Always looking for the next trendy restaurant and paying huge markups at places like whole foods.
 
Which is why I said I see the guy's 'general' point.

Young people spend a ton of money on food if my social media feeds are anything to go by.

Always looking for the next trendy restaurant and paying huge markups at places like whole foods.

Everybody spends a lot of money on food. Food is expensive.
 
Which is why I said I see the guy's 'general' point.

Young people spend a ton of money on food if my social media feeds are anything to go by.

Always looking for the next trendy restaurant and paying huge markups at places like whole foods.

Social media feeds are the image of themselves people want to present. Almost no one is going to post the toast with jam they had for breakfast or the mediocre stir fry they cooked for dinner. Just like people don't post pictures of the worst outfit in their wardrobes or the shoes that are about to fall apart.

Even more so now in the Facebook / Twitter / Instagram age, rather than the smaller circles of the blog days.
 

Rookhelm

Member
He's not talking about Avocados.

He's talking about hipster food and beer and whatnot that costs 10 times what it should.

But yeah, "save more, and you'll have more money" is not exactly a mind blowing revelation.
 
Man, some people in this thread have an irrational hatred for avocados.

I like them in guacamole and on a BLT, but that's about it. They just have a weird mushy texture that I'm not a fan of.

That said, they are excellent when mixed with other things and are high in protein and good fats.
 
Social media feeds are the image of themselves people want to present. Almost no one is going to post the toast with jam they had for breakfast or the mediocre stir fry they cooked for dinner. Just like people don't post pictures of the worst outfit in their wardrobes or the shoes that are about to fall apart.

Even more so now in the Facebook / Twitter / Instagram age, rather than the smaller circles of the blog days.
This is so fucking true. When I upload pictures of my food, which is rare, it is always something fancy I had or out of the ordinary.

I'm not uploading the reheated frozen cheapo chicken fingers, boiled green beans and baked off-brand frozen fries I ate for dinner for three nights in a row because I'm lazy and cheap.
 

Dehnus

Member
He's not talking about Avocados.

He's talking about hipster food and beer and whatnot that costs 10 times what it should.

But yeah, "save more, and you'll have more money" is not exactly a mind blowing revelation.

Riiight, he's not talking about "us" he is talking about "them!", you see we really hate "them!" but "us" are okay, yay for "us".
 

ChryZ

Member
"When I was trying to buy my first home, I wasn't buying smashed avocado for $19 and four coffees at $4 each,"
Looking at franchise chains like Starbucks, I get the $4 coffee. Twenty bucks for avocado on toasts sound rather expensive. That can't be right?
 
Guys, he's not talking about Avocados.


He's talking about hipster food and beer and whatnot that costs 10 times what it should.

Which is also irrelevant in the context of the Australian housing market in a capital city, you could have smashed avocado and a coffee 3 times a day (~$75 / day and it would take you 12 years to get enough for a mortgage deposit. And you couldn't meet the repayments even on a 50 year loan anyway).

Looking at franchise chains like Starbucks, I get the $4 coffee. Twenty bucks for avocado on toasts sound rather expensive. That can't be right?

He's talking about Australia. Our wages and cost of living are both high relative to the US. Smashed Avacado on toast is usually Avacado, Tomato, some Dressing and Feta on Sourdough , you might get two slices. Its still stupidly overpriced.
 

Faiz

Member
If only you could imbue that dumbass coffee drinker with your special gifts at solving anyone's ambiguous crippling financial crises through sheer expert peasantry alone! Starbucks? Hah! They probably all have refrigerators, too. Craigslist, anyone? And do they even know how much perfectly edible food is in the nearest dumpster for a trend-setting freegan run at any moment? Those walking shitshows of fiscal ineptitude don't know the first thing about how to be poor the *correct* way: as joyless, hopeless, miserable automatons, with that credit card interest paid on-goddamn-time, every month, and appropriate gratitude expressed to the practically limitless supply of usually-not-poisonous tap water those dirty proles could ever want to gulp down, all a just few steps away right there in the toilet. Know your place, debtors: far, far clear of those Starbucks doors.

I'm not sure if the sarcastic hyperbole is intended to persuade or merely lampoon, but either way its misguided because it doesn't represent my position at all. If it's really your position that someone who has maxed out credit cards shouldn't strongly consider drastically reducing non-essential spending, I don't know what else to say. You don't have to treat Starbucks like it the pearly gates of luxury that you aren't worthy of crossing, just maybe consider going less?
 
Social media feeds are the image of themselves people want to present. Almost no one is going to post the toast with jam they had for breakfast or the mediocre stir fry they cooked for dinner. Just like people don't post pictures of the worst outfit in their wardrobes or the shoes that are about to fall apart.

Even more so now in the Facebook / Twitter / Instagram age, rather than the smaller circles of the blog days.

Absolutely, but compared to ten years ago it is still an additional front-facing part of your image, even if it is only an occasional occurrence. And for the foodies out there, it's quite common.

All these small things add up.
 
Everybody spends a lot of money on food. Food is expensive.

Not that expensive though. Was just looking at how much my wife and I have spent on food this year. Combined for both of us, adding restaurants + groceries, I get $1,704 from January to yesterday. Our goal for the year is < $5k, which isn't bad at all considering it's required for living.

Also, we are millennials, we do have a house*, and we do not eat avocados.



*We live in southern IN and our house was only $125k.
 

R0ckman

Member
Not that expensive though. Was just looking at how much my wife and I have spent on food this year. Combined for both of us, adding restaurants + groceries, I get $1,704 from January to yesterday. Our goal for the year is < $5k, which isn't bad at all considering it's required for living.

Also, we are millennials, we do have a house*, and we do not eat avocados.



*We live in southern IN and our house was only $125k.

What are you spending per month on food? I'm trying to figure out what I can buy each week to save on groceries.

Also I notice that a lot of these millennial bashing articles involving realestate seem to happen during hot markets where houses are over priced, seems like they are basically just trying bait millennials into a mortgage. To me it translates to them thinking that millenials are stupid spenders anyway, why not be even dumber and take out a mortgage. If they struggle to save now, a mortgage and house up keep and repair will garuntee them bankruptcy. If they were really concerned about millenials well beings there would be more innitiatives to get them into the housing market easier than some of the pathetic FHA offerings, they would take some risk on millenials rather than constantly ask debt succumbed generations to take more risks. The fact that they instead are constantly shaming millennial into getting into the housing market should be a red flag honestly.

Personally, I found home buying very frustrating, because its too focused on viewing the house as a commodity rather than an actual home to set your roots in and pass on to your children. I told agents I was not interested in homeownership as a commodity or asset but as something to actually call home and they just didn't get it.
 
these people clearly havent had parmesan baked avocados

when hating on them you are thinking far to small for one of the most nutritious foods on the planet
 

Lime

Member
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What are you spending per month on food? I'm trying to figure out what I can buy each week to save on groceries.

We do $225/mo Groceries and $175/mo Restaurants. Goes up and down sometimes depending on the month; for instance if we know we have a trip in say June, we'll raise the restaurant budget and lower the groceries budget (which makes it net higher due to restaurants being more expensive). We get pretty close most months and usually go under in the Grocery budget.
 

noquarter

Member
I would save at most $1000 a year packing my lunch instead of eating out at places like Chipotle. I'm willing to pay for that convenience. Checkmate old people.
Yeah, but if you cut that out, after 50 years you could get the money to put down on a modest home. Help yourself!
 

grumble

Member
Which is also irrelevant in the context of the Australian housing market in a capital city, you could have smashed avocado and a coffee 3 times a day (~$75 / day and it would take you 12 years to get enough for a mortgage deposit. And you couldn't meet the repayments even on a 50 year loan anyway).



He's talking about Australia. Our wages and cost of living are both high relative to the US. Smashed Avacado on toast is usually Avacado, Tomato, some Dressing and Feta on Sourdough , you might get two slices. Its still stupidly overpriced.

Agreed on the loan payments, but twelve years (six for two people) to save up a down payment actually isn't bad.
 
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hay guys

did you know that millennials spend way too much on hair product?
you can pick up used motor oil from a garage for a song
just make sure to lay down a towel when you sit on a couch in your new beautiful home
 
Okay, but not all food items are equally expensive.

I'm not looking to call out individuals. It's just a worrying consumerist trend in a generation strapped for cash.

This has always happened the only difference is people didn't take pictures of their food and share it to a social media website that everyone they know uses. Now that behavior is in your face.
 

Dali

Member
When I read stories of people doing things like paying off student loans, paying off their mortgage, or paying off their car in a much shorter than expected span of time it ususlly involves avoiding unnecessary spending (yes even small purchases).
 

DBT85

Member
When I read stories of people doing things like paying off student loans, paying off their mortgage, or paying off their car in a much shorter than expected span of time it ususlly involves avoiding unnecessary spending (yes even small purchases).

That's because it's a great way to save a ton of money that racks up.

It's not about the avocado or the coffee, it's about buying shit you should be able to forgo in the shirt term in order to reach your long term goal.

My folks and their friends when buying houses 35 years ago were having sandwiches for dinner and stuff. Everything, and I mean everything, in their houses at first was second hand, either bought or given from family even carpets and kitchen units and appliances! My mum didn't get her own kitchen for about 23 years until I helped put it in with my dad. Before that it was out of my grandparents house and everything was wonky as it was already old and had to be made to fit.

My folks didn't start buying new carpets/appliances for probably 15 years after moving in, if they did it was cheaper stuff. The carpet in my folks main bedroom is still the same as it was the day they put it down, and it was my great aunts before they got it!
 

Dali

Member
That's because it's a great way to save a ton of money that racks up.

It's not about the avocado or the coffee, it's about buying shit you should be able to forgo in the shirt term in order to reach your long term goal.

My folks and their friends when buying houses 35 years ago were having sandwiches for dinner and stuff. Everything, and I mean everything, in their houses at first was second hand, either bought or given from family even carpets and kitchen units and appliances! My mum didn't get her own kitchen for about 23 years until I helped put it in with my dad. Before that it was out of my grandparents house and everything was wonky as it was already old and had to be made to fit.

My folks didn't start buying new carpets/appliances for probably 15 years after moving in, if they did it was cheaper stuff. The carpet in my folks main bedroom is still the same as it was the day they put it down, and it was my great aunts before they got it!

That's what my comment was meant to say. People itt seem to be shitting on what he said, but he's just saying frivolous purchases add up.
 
That's because it's a great way to save a ton of money that racks up.

It's not about the avocado or the coffee, it's about buying shit you should be able to forgo in the shirt term in order to reach your long term goal.

My folks and their friends when buying houses 35 years ago were having sandwiches for dinner and stuff. Everything, and I mean everything, in their houses at first was second hand, either bought or given from family even carpets and kitchen units and appliances! My mum didn't get her own kitchen for about 23 years until I helped put it in with my dad. Before that it was out of my grandparents house and everything was wonky as it was already old and had to be made to fit.

My folks didn't start buying new carpets/appliances for probably 15 years after moving in, if they did it was cheaper stuff. The carpet in my folks main bedroom is still the same as it was the day they put it down, and it was my great aunts before they got it!
It's not about what spending habits, it's about blame, morality even. By looking down on people's spending habits, the impact of which on a long term investiment is debatable, it means their wealth is well-earned. Being poor reflecting your own immorality.
 

Sorcerer

Member
I see people can't resist buying those expensive 5-8 dollar a bottle fancy drinks in the produce section all the time. I think that's crazy myself.
I mean it might be good for you but ultimately its a waste of money for 16 ounces of liquid.
 

Doran902

Member
I love me some avocado but I just buy them by the bag at Costco in Edmonton. Get like 6 big ones for like 10 bucks.

Costco is the hotness.

I started saving my money by cooking my own meals and not buying video games that I don't have time to play anymore. 1 every few months maybe.

But the demand for housing is so much higher and good employment is so much lower that I wouldn't want to buy a house where I live. Who wants to spend 400 thousand dollars on a small house from the 1970's that needs thousands of dollars of maintenance and they keep raising the prices of services and utilities.

Gonna build a house in the sticks at some point instead.
 

manueldelalas

Time Traveler
"Take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves" is what he is basically saying. I agree, although in my country avocados are much cheaper and we enjoy a lot of avocado toasts =P.
 
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