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So a vegan just left the dinner table to sit outside
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Well I think the thread peaked with "vegan terrorist", holy shit, lol
Glad to hear the consensus is that that guy was being rude and inconsiderate though (from the information at hand anyway). I mean eating in front of people who eat meat is inevitable unless you plan on never being around 95+ percent of the population.
They made him a meal he could eat. And he won't eat with them. I was vegan for a year and even amongst the most HC I never heard of anyone trying to actually never be in the presence of a animal corpse being consumed. I've never heard of anyone online doing it either.
It's a dumb, unrealistic moral standard to set for yourself.
That said, I'd like to hear his side of the story to get anything we missed.
Glad to hear the consensus is that that guy was being rude and inconsiderate though (from the information at hand anyway). I mean eating in front of people who eat meat is inevitable unless you plan on never being around 95+ percent of the population.
They made him a meal he could eat. And he won't eat with them. I was vegan for a year and even amongst the most HC I never heard of anyone trying to actually never be in the presence of a animal corpse being consumed. I've never heard of anyone online doing it either.
It's a dumb, unrealistic moral standard to set for yourself.
That said, I'd like to hear his side of the story to get anything we missed.
I put on weight going vegan. Had perfect bmi now almost overweight. The food was cheaper and tended to be bought in bulk. ¯_(ツ
_/¯I literally never mentioned "the wild" or "modern advances". I didn't pick up on that context. Sorry.
There's plenty of protein, and it's cheaper in my experience as a vegan. For the last 10 months or so.
Amino acids are tougher.
Wise choice.
Although I'm sure you could find a really nice vegan restaurant? I've taken many meat eaters to vegan restaurants and blown their minds with how nice food can be without meat or dairy.
Only really easy if you're in/near a city.
That's an interesting question. (Not a vegan but still.)
I don't think you can really "rape" an animal, since they don't have a conceptualization of sexuality the same way we do. Harm is harm, how it's done probably doesn't register for them. Interpreting "consent," if it even matters, for an animal is tricky but I think as long as you're gentle about it the cows wouldn't have an issue with the physical act of milking.
Gravy Boat
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That's a good compromise but if you're on vacation for a week together surely going to one vegan restaurant would be a good gesture. I know that if I was on a week vacation with a vegan family member I wouldn't mind giving up meat for one night to accommodate them about better. Assuming there are vegan restaurants nearby.
Morrigan Stark
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That is seriously insulting to victims of rape, holy shit... :\
.... What?
Pesmerga00
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I don't know I think many people would understand if presented the way you did. I had a friend who would get very uncomfortable and nauseous from the smell of fish because of a food poisoning incident when they were younger. However he always let people know so it was never really a problem except in some restaurants but most of them were pretty accommodating if we needed to move a little. This is a little different since they are ruling out an entire food group but maybe something could have been worked out.
Pro-tip: the motivation behind rape isn't necessarily sexual
Do vegan/vegetarian restaurants generally have 'fake meat' dishes? I love a good vegan/vegetarian meal done well, but I can't stand fake meat.
My parents tried and tried and it caused a lot of ill-will. Some people are going to choose to be ignorant no matter what you do =( I just hope nothing happens.
excelsiorlef
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A few people have defended the image on this thread
Depends. There are ones near us that have 0 fake meat dishes and are just curries, pizza, falafel or jackfruit recipes - then there are a couple that deal only in "fake meats". Usually not actually fake meat but like Chinese meat dishes recreated with tofu or soy.
A lot of them. There's a vegan noodle shop near me that has a variety of soy protein based 'meats'. I just go for tofu if I eat there. I'm a meat eater and I find fake meat off-putting. I like tofu, so eating at a vegetarian/vegan restaurant is not a hardship for me.
Pesmerga00
Member
Sorry to hear that, but at least you tried. Thats more than I can say for a lot of people. Some just choose to ignore it. Hope everything works out.
Aside from the rudeness, it's a little odd that it got to such a stage. If the guy is clearly a very strict vegan - to the point of not being comfortable eating in the presence of fish - then wouldn't you think the sister would give people a heads up? Or was it a surprise to her too?
hydrophilic attack
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Thanks for the idea. I'm going to look it up now. I'm not super hopeful though. There is no city around, only a few smaller towns. And people in this part of the country are really proud of their seafood, so finding a restaurant that doesn't serve seafood would probably be tough
I don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this point. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.
There's enviromental reasons, health reasons and ethical reasons. What about them don't you understand
Gonna go ahead and say they've done close to 0 research as to why people become vegans or vegetarians judging by that post.
hydrophilic attack
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Couldn't find any vegan or vegetarian restaurants around here :/
FLUXCapacitor
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Trying to deny the environmental, health, and ethical impacts of eating meat just reeks of lack of empathy, elitism, and ignorance. It's 100% unnecessary for humans to eat meat.
It varies a lot. In my experience, higher end restaurants don't usually use analogues, though not all cheaper restaurants use them, especially if it's a health-focused restaurant. But it also depends on your definition of 'fake meat'. Tofu, tempeh, or soy curls aren't necessarily analogues, though they can be depending on how they are prepared.
Nothing on HappyCow?
hydrophilic attack
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HawksWinStanley
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I hope this doesn't mean what I think it does.
excelsiorlef
Member
Often it's more about power and control
Gravy Boat
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At least you can say you tried.
What do you think it means?
Yeah I also mentioned sending you sister and BIL for a walk so the rest can sit down to eat more comfortably in some ocassions. It's a great compromise (even if you're not "gaining" much per se).
HawksWinStanley
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Oh yeah, South Asian vegetarian dishes are just amazing. Falafels are good too. How does vegan pizza taste like? The idea kind of scares me off.
I think that's the issue for me too. There's an uncanny valley in terms of how it tastes that just sets me off. I love tofu in many kinds of dishes, as long as it's not as fake meat.
I've enjoyed seitan with mushrooms/bamboo shoots/water chestnuts/baby corn. I don't think it was trying to replicate any specific meat. But seitan prepared as fake meat I also can't stand.
You Are Viewtiful
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We subvert biology all the time. What do you think medicine is, or even any other dietary choices?
I'm a meat head but even I recognize the moral superiority of veganism. I'm just too much of a lazy af mofo to make the switch.
curiouscharles
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lol, this kind of thinking...
yes, let's just not change / evolve from our basic physiological evolutionary state and behave like decorum-less murderers & rapists because biology.
so funny i almost think you're joking
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Contica
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Ok. I think that either people just don't understand this, or I'm doing a very poor job of explaining it.
How about this. When you're invited for dinner, are you grateful there is dinner? I mean, isn't that kind of a given since you're invited for dinner?
What if you're a muslim, get invited for dinner, and all they have is pork? Would that be a bit insulting? They should know better right, since they're your friends, and know you don't eat pork.
You kind of expect there to be food you can eat. I'm grateful every single time I'm invited for dinner. But there being food is something I kinda take for granted, it being a dinner and all.
I came off a bit strong, I'll admit to that, but then I've been invited to dinners where all I could eat was boiled potatoes and broccoli. I like potatoes and broccoli, but not on their own. What's the point in even inviting someone if you're not even gonna bother? You know. It's no fun sitting there mashing a potato with a fork, putting on a smile while everyone gorges themselves and exclaims how good the food is. It sucks. And it's happened to me one to many times, so now I mostly just show up a little late for these dinners so I can skip the food, but be there for everything else.
So that's where me not being grateful comes from, and me wanting one meal for all. But of course, now I'm the vegan nazi who wants to take people's foods away.
Anyone. Hope that made sense.
Every vegan pizza i've had has been delicious. That's not to say there aren't bad ones.
The nicest one, oddly enough, used elegantly cooked and seasoned tofu as a cheese replacement.
It was insane. Delicious.
You're really at risk of being eaten by that chicken, wow
Better make sure you're the alpha in the room or they'll get you!
Centuries-old cultural ideas are king! It's just evolution!
I Stalk Alone
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That's not completely true. However we do need to reduce the focus on livestock but some kf the livestock used for nitrogen balance of the soil for crops do need to be culled in the spring when the numbers get high, but this still means most people should have a plant based diet.
I say let the guy be upset. But talk with him about it after.
Cool thing: the meat industry often causes more damage to soil than any other industry. It's fucked up swathes of land in the north of England, IIRC. It's not just the nitrogen balances, it's also the acres of feed made just to support the livestock (that no livestock roams on or fertilises).
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Deleted member 17706
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I would disagree with this statement if the goal is to thrive and be healthy.
Besides, there are millions of things we do that are 100% unnecessary (what is your definition of necessary, anyway?) that have huge negative affects on the environment and other life forms.
Good idea. Once the veggie food arrives walk out in protest at the lack of meat 😂
Care to back that up with some sources? You're going against pretty much every major medical organization with that claim.
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Deleted member 17706
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No, I don't care to do so.
I'm not saying that lots of people can't survive just fine on a plant-only diet, but I don't think they are optimal for health. It may depend on the person as we are all different, but a soy and grain focused diet, which is what a vegan diet inevitably becomes, can induce a lot of health issues in many people.
You do you, though! I'll stick with my meat and protein-based diet and continue to stay strong, healthy, and sickness-free! I'll also enjoy the occasional plant food, too!
edit: also, which "major medical organizations" are you referring to, and how infallible do you believe them to be? I imagine a lot of them gave recommendations to avoid eggs out of misplaced fear of cholesterol and allowed for Honey Nut Cheerios to slap a "heart healthy" label on their box. The catastrophic low-fat diet crazed was fueled by recommendations from prestigious medical organizations.
I love meat. I think meat agriculture is cruel and destructive. If lab grown meat arrived tomorrow I'd switch in a heartbeat. I take no pleasure in the idea of animals being murdered, or rain forests being felled. I try to buy "ethical" meat and avoid overfished breeds.
But the vegan guy from the OP (as their story was ORIGINALLY expressed) got most of the negative reaction because of his manners. I think you could change the subject to "Fox News was playing and it always plays in that room because of Grandma" and he'd still have gotten the negative reaction. Like, if he knew that was the situation, why did he go over there to deliberately make a big scene? (as the story originally played out, of course)
crisdecuba
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Wait, then why should I think that anything you're saying has any basis in fact?
Good for you and your family. Don't give in to childish tantrums. You guys do you, and let them do what they want. Refrain from insults but if they continue ostracizing themselves over food choices rethink inviting them on vacation with you next time.
Here's a question for vegans. If eating meat is murder, then in a vegans ideal world, in which nobody eats meat, is the plan to kill off the entire cow/chicken/pig industrial complex? These animals are bred specifically for this purpose, and there existence in such large quantities is what is accounting for the climate problems they present, so the solution is naturally to kill them off.
I do not believe that eating or killing animals is murder, because murder itself is a human construct, but if that is what vegans believe, then their utopia is also their nightmare, because it would consist of committing genocide on entire breeds of animals that have been created specifically for consumption, in the name of environment protection. That seems like quite the moral quandary.
There's also the moral quandary of dealing with non-native and invasive species. Do we try to solve the problems we've created by exterminating invasive species? If so, where is the line?
I do not believe that eating or killing animals is murder, because murder itself is a human construct, but if that is what vegans believe, then their utopia is also their nightmare, because it would consist of committing genocide on entire breeds of animals that have been created specifically for consumption, in the name of environment protection. That seems like quite the moral quandary.
There's also the moral quandary of dealing with non-native and invasive species. Do we try to solve the problems we've created by exterminating invasive species? If so, where is the line?
If I didn't lack the self discipline, I'd be a vegetarian too for health reasons. Or actually I could just adjust my diet to include vegetables at all, would be a start.
Just felt like posting this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwKrtNr76BM