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Wkd BO 07•21-23•17 - Slam Dunk' for Nolan, Apes escape, not rough Girl's Trip, Luc

Really curious as to whether Dunkirk's budget wound up being in the $100-120mil range.

It's gonna hit $100mil domestic by next Friday probably.
 
Cars still has around 20 markets that it's yet to open in. Box office returns aren't where it's at for those films anyway, it's all in the merchandise, it's absurd just how much revenue that (terrible) franchise generates on the merchandise side of it.

Yeah, back when cars 2 came out, disney announced they had passed $8 billion for cars merchandise, and that they were now selling $2 billion of it globally every year. That's the real reason they keep making these, just excuses to make new toys.
 
I believe Emma Thomas has said it cost a significant amount less than their last movie, which was $160mil.

10 mil is a significant amount, yeah, but people were speculating she meant more than that.
 
Worldwide updates

Dunkirk - $106M
Spider-Man Homecoming - $572M


Wonder Woman - $779M
Pirates 5 - $767M
Despicable Me 3 - $727M
Transformers 5 - $548M
The Mummy - $392M
Cars 3 - $250M

Damn, Pirates didn't do so terrible after all (worldwide at least). Is it done or still running?
 
You think the $150M budget was overstated? Any reason why?

Hollywood reporter and Variety reported this weekend it was 100M.

Still, Dunkirk will need sizable staying power in order to recoup a net production budget of $100 million
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...competition-505m-debut-valerian-bombs-1023700

The movie's production budget was reportedly just under $100 million,

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/box-office-dunkirk-girls-trip-valerian-2-1202503892/
 

GhaleonEB

Member
About the Commander:
Pretty sure he was done as a Commander after admitting to treason and fucking genocide. You act like Valerian killed him. Nobody will reprimand Valerian for punching a traitor/war criminal. It's completely different from making the decision as a simple soldier to hand over an incredibly-valuable asset you were tasked to retrieve by your superiors to whomever you choose. If they hadn't escaped, Valerian and Laureline would be in a shitload of trouble. They didn't have the authority to decide what to do with it. It's completely understandable as a soldier that you wouldn't mind doing something that nobody would reprimand you for but would be hesitant to do something that would end your military career and likely land you in prison or whatever the punishment on 28th century Alpha is for such a serious offense.
It was a wild whiplash of a character turn in a span of 2 minutes. It made no sense in context and existed only to create a false crisis at the end of the film.

As for the sexism,
I realize sexism is very insidious, so I understand your interpretation, but I think that's an overly cynical view that you have there. I'm a man, so maybe what I think on the topic doesn't hold much weight, but, for what it's worth, neither my wife nor my (female) coworker thought the movie was sexist. Valerian might have saved Laureline - twice if you count when they were trapped in that weird sticky body bag thingy earlier on - but Laureline also saved Valerian's life twice. I don't see why it matters that she was made to wear a fancy (not sexy) dress and didn't fight in this particular sequence, especially since we saw her fight elsewhere in the movie. Laureline is depicted as a very strong woman throughout the entire film. Valerian is the only one with the sexist view that he should be the one to fight and protect her, and learning not to be a sexist douche is basically his entire arc.

I don't see how the script is out of touch, and Luc Besson's career-long track record with strong female leads puts most directors to shame. Laureline is no different, even if she dared touch a butterfly, was forced to wear a dress in one scene, and was saved by Valerian the same number of times she saved him. Besides, I don't see how you can call what she does in the film "swooning". She consistently calls him out on his sexism and only accepts being in some sort of relationship with him once he has shown that he respects her as a person and put his trust in her. Obviously, they've been partners for a very long time. He may act condescendingly, but there's still a lot that's good about him and she would know it better than anyone, and he has grown by the end of the film, so I don't see what's wrong with her loving him.

Nah, it's there and it's a constant through the entire story.

She's scripted to be falling for him despite how he treats her and his record for plowing through women, for reasons that are never established.

Her armor is designed with giant boobs on it.

Valerian uses his armor to blow through walls, uses jets on the feet, shoots stuff, creates platforms, etc. She's got the same armor and is put in a wooden basket and gets captured and is never allowed to use it.

The middle act is devoted to the two leads alternately rescuing one another. But both come at the expense of Laureline. She rescues Valerian by humiliating herself, stuffing her head into the ass of an alien jellyfish. He rescues her, when she's being stuffed into a dress. Along the way Valerian entertains a male rescue fantasy (freeing child sex slave) while also refusing to let said slave be herself (he's so repulsed by her natural appearance that he insists she turn back into Rhiana, even in private conversation.)

At the end Lauraline tells Valerian to stand watch for once, while she goes ahead. He's so put off by the suggestion that he ignores her and marches in anyways, because he's a guy and has to take the lead and won't take direction from a woman. And she rolls with it, still swooning, still thinking he's somehow different.

This was relentlessly sexist garbage. I didn't touch on half of it.
 

BumRush

Member
I believe Emma Thomas has said it cost a significant amount less than their last movie, which was $160mil.

10 mil is a significant amount, yeah, but people were speculating she meant more than that.


Damn, impressive work by Nolan
 
Yeah this sticks out as well. Pirates is gonna be around it seems.

I didn't think they'd end up doing the teased 6th movie, but I can see them doing so now.
Being young when when the first trilogy came out, I can say there is a real fondness amongst people my age (at least people I know) for those movies and characters. I can see Disney marketing the hell out of (spoilers for Dead Men)
Elizabeth, Will,
and Davy Jones
and getting at least some of the domestic gross back. I think they could squeeze one more movie out of the franchise.
 
It was a wild whiplash of a character turn in a span of 2 minutes. It made no sense in context and existed only to create a false crisis at the end of the film.



Nah, it's there and it's a constant through the entire story.

She's scripted to be falling for him despite how he treats her and his record for plowing through women, for reasons that are never established.

Her armor is designed with giant boobs on it.

Valerian uses his armor to blow through walls, uses jets on the feet, shoots stuff, creates platforms, etc. She's got the same armor and is put in a wooden basket and gets captured and is never allowed to use it.

The middle act is devoted to the two leads alternately rescuing one another. But both come at the expense of Laureline. She rescues Valerian by humiliating herself, stuffing her head into the ass of an alien jellyfish. He rescues her, when she's being stuffed into a dress. Along the way Valerian entertains a male rescue fantasy (freeing child sex slave) while also refusing to let said slave be herself (he's so repulsed by her natural appearance that he insists she turn back into Rhiana, even in private conversation.)

At the end Lauraline tells Valerian to stand watch for once, while she goes ahead. He's so put off by the suggestion that he ignores her and marches in anyways, because he's a guy and has to take the lead and won't take direction from a woman. And she rolls with it, still swooning, still thinking he's somehow different.

This was relentlessly sexist garbage. I didn't touch on half of it.

This post honestly pisses me off. I'm especially baffled you still call that "a wild whiplash of a character turn" after I pointed out your stance made no sense, and I find your statement that the film is "relentlessly sexist garbage" extremely unfair and off the mark, but I just know there's nothing I can say that will change your mind on this. It doesn't make me happy, but it's your opinion.
 

Toa TAK

Banned
Valerian's characters suck (along with no one in the cast bringing it), but damn if there isn't something to admire in the world that the movie inhabits. Not so much the world itself but that it's such a big pretty CG fest. It's pretty cool and musically Desplat does some good work here. With a couple neat sequences and Rihanna's out of place performance, I will say that Valerian:



Is worth a passing view on Sunday when you're cleaning the house and need some background noise when you're too busy charging your iPod/iPhone/music listening device.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
Wonder Woman only down 15% from last Monday. She isn't stopping.
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kswiston

Member
Wonder Woman only down 15% from last Monday. She isn't stopping.
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That's pretty crazy. Maybe it will hit $400M within 2 weeks afterall.

If these crazy drops continue, Wonder Woman could end up passing Civil War and Iron Man 3 domestically (of course, both of those made about twice as much overseas).


Dunkirk's Monday is pretty great too. Apes only managed $5.8M on a bigger opening.
 
Really curious as to whether Dunkirk's budget wound up being in the $100-120mil range.

It's gonna hit $100mil domestic by next Friday probably.

Think there's a very strong chance it gets there by Sunday. No later than Monday I think. Can't see many scenarios where it misses 150 million. 175 seems like a good target
 

kswiston

Member
Think there's a very strong chance it gets there by Sunday. No later than Monday I think. Can't see many scenarios where it misses 150 million. 175 seems like a good target

This first Monday is over Star Trek Beyond, and Beyond had poor holds during its second and third weekends. I could see Dunkirk making up the opening weekend difference in these first 17 days.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
That's pretty crazy. Maybe it will hit $400M within 2 weeks afterall.

If these crazy drops continue, Wonder Woman could end up passing Civil War and Iron Man 3 domestically (of course, both of those made about twice as much overseas).

The full 4x multiplier is within reach.
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Dunkirk is aiming for that $200 million and above domestic gross. I wonder where it will end up worldwide. Not sure if War movies are a big draw overseas. I do think it will clear half billion easily.
 

BumRush

Member
Dunkirk is aiming for that $200 million and above domestic gross. I wonder where it will end up worldwide. Not sure if War movies are a big draw overseas. I do think it will clear half billion easily.

I'm pretty sure Nolan has become a pretty big draw overseas (Interstellar earned +70% of it's business Foreign)
 
Which country are you talking about?
Countries that are not in Europe. So Asia and Middle East.

I'm pretty sure Nolan has become a pretty big draw overseas (Interstellar earned +70% of it's business Foreign)
I already said Dunkirk should easily clear half billion. I am just not sure what will be its ceiling.

Interstellar was a more attractive movie compared to a War driven Dunkirk. There are not many War focused movies that have grossed half billion. Even Saving Private Ryan topped at $481 million worldwide.
 
I'm not convinced Dunkirk makes it over 500m WW but anything over 400 is probably a pretty clear success
If Dunkirk manages to clear $200 million in domestic, there is next to none chance it can't pass $500 million worldwide. Unless the movie completely craters in some foreign markets like China and Russia.

That's a pretty good number for this movie IMO. Nolan bringing the people to cinema no matter the country.
 

AndyVirus

Member
I wasn't sure Dunkirk would be a hit outside of UK, US & France so I'll be glad to see my pessimistic prediction blown away. I think I said roughly a 50/50 split totalling 350m, or whatever Fury Road was.

Damn, Pirates didn't do so terrible after all (worldwide at least). Is it done or still running?

Still going. OP says 5m this weekend worldwide so it still has a few more million in the tank.
 

3N16MA

Banned
How long until we see another superhero film have a domestic run like Wonder Woman? WW tapped into something deeper than simply being a great superhero film.
 
If Dunkirk manages to clear $200 million in domestic, there is next to none chance it can't pass $500 million worldwide. Unless the movie completely craters in some foreign markets like China and Russia.


That's a pretty good number for this movie IMO. Nolan bringing the people to cinema no matter the country.

It didn't do that well in Russia, and legs will be bad like every other movie there.

South Korea might crater because a local movie is looking at top 15 all time admission numbers. It's also a navy movie set in WW2.

I'm not convinced it does more than 50-60 mil in China either because of subject material and it'll be crowded with Spider Man, Apes, and some others thanks to the end of the Hollywood blackout. Basically there's a lot of variables in play right now. Don't think it's anywhere close to a lock for 300m OS and I don't think 200m domestic is close to locked either
 

kswiston

Member
I wasn't sure Dunkirk would be a hit outside of UK, US & France so I'll be glad to see my pessimistic prediction blown away. I think I said roughly a 50/50 split totalling 350m, or whatever Fury Road was.


Given that this weekend was 53% overseas, without a few major markets, I think that the international take will comfortably top the domestic take.

It's hard to predict how this will play in China though.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
This post honestly pisses me off. I'm especially baffled you still call that "a wild whiplash of a character turn" after I pointed out your stance made no sense, and I find your statement that the film is "relentlessly sexist garbage" extremely unfair and off the mark, but I just know there's nothing I can say that will change your mind on this. It doesn't make me happy, but it's your opinion.

While my comments that framed the spoiler tags characterized the film in my subjective opinion, the body was just stating facts about the plot. I don't know how else to describe the events other than that. That's what happened and I don't know how to characterize those events otherwise. I came out pissed at the events the film depicted. And yeah, clearly there's little to be gained at continuing as we're on opposite poles, but I do appreciate your taking the time to describe your take on it.

Not sure if it was posted, but Girl's Trip's actually was up almost a million

Came in at 31.2
https://twitter.com/boxofficemojo/status/889606276187013120

Pretty solid sign of early legs, which corresponds with reports of strong WoM.
 

Lima

Member
Eh if BP is good (given the people involved I have no doubt about that), it will be a runaway success. Getting that black crowd alone will be huge I think.
 
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