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[Fox Mulder]

When Sony delays a game, most people: "GOOD."
When Microsoft delays a game, we have this thread.

I don't care about Sony. MS just doesn't have a comparable first party output this generation. They lost third party preference and even many indies.

They've had delays, cancellations, and even rushed the MCC out the door broken to meet holiday deadline. They basically lied about what Phantom Dust was when announced, then cancelled that for a Xbox port.

 

[Shil Pencer]

I am not on the ledge like everyone else on here I think they are ready to chalk up this year as a failure and hit hard next year. They HAVE to show something on Sunday besides that preorders are ready for X. All I can think of is a price cut

 

[border]

And even still, tons of people were pissed Uncharted 4 got delayed.

I think it's understandable to be upset and dismayed at a delay of a game you were interested in. But that's a little different from alleging that the cause is just gross incompetence at a structural level "What a shitshow -- Microsoft 1st party is terrible, what's going on over there"......when even at the same time the popular narrative is "They need to release big games year round, not just Christmas".

 

[David___]

The Scalebound cancellation thread reached nearly 200 pages. Previous Scalebound threads that discussed the actual game had around 40 pages at the most. You don't think there's something a little odd about that? I'm not sure why you're trying to dismiss something so obvious.

A bit late to comment on this but it's a lot easier to have a conversation around why a game was cancelled compared to having a conversation around drip fed news

 

[Fat4all]

With a game that looked visually unimpressive at e3 I don't think people are upgrading their Xbox ones to play crackdown 3. Nor are they swaying new console owners who have yet to jump on that bandwagon with that title.

People might not of upgraded their Xbox Ones just to play Crackdown 3, but attach-rates don't always work off that logic. It's new, the system is new, both release on the same day and the marketing (would have) emphasized the combination of the X and CD3.

 

[Jeff Freecss]

Because Sony has other games?

LOL

Few reasons for that:

1) The game hasn't impressed people in videos, so this is getting a lot of attention considering how many thought the game looked.
2) MS's line-up is anemic. It's not like Sony 2016 when Horizon slipped but you still had a list of a dozen or so games on PS4 and VR which were released throughout the year.

This isn't 2014 where MS could delay a game but they'd still have a healthy line-up overall.

1) The game's multiplayer did impress people. They just don't believe it.
2) I specifically remembered people didn't care Sony's first party line up in 2015, because of "superior" third party game experiences like Star Wars Battlefront, BO3 and Fallout 4. This year, Xbox will have the superior experience on Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, Assassin's Creed, The Evil Within 2, plus Forza 7. I don't see why people keep saying Xbox's line-up is anemic. It's as if multiplats don't count as games.

"Sony didn't need Uncharted 4 for Christmas anyway -- 3rd parties will have plenty of great titles!"

Exactly this.

 

[Exodust]

To all the people who forgot Halo Wars 2 even came out, how many even remember that Phil Spencer's favorite game of all time Voodoo Vince got an HD remaster this year?

Yep.

 

[Thabass]

Good thing I sold my Xbox. What nonsense.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I think it's understandable to be upset and dismayed at a delay of a game you were interested in. But that's a little different from alleging that the cause is just gross incompetence at a structural level "What a shitshow -- Microsoft 1st party is terrible, what's going on over there"......when even at the same time the popular narrative is "They need to release big games year round, not just Christmas".

Well, you can't just look at the delay of Crackdown 3 in a vacuum. MS first party has been questionable for a couple years now and this is just the latest thing to upset and confuse people.

Also, this year MS isn't publishing much of anything - year round or during the holidays.

 

[Irishonion]

Just saw this.

Haha. Man, gave me a hearty laugh.

 

[Krombopulos_Michael]

The same thing happened last gen. MS started strong in the first half and then fell off in the next half. I imagine next gen will be a repeat as well since they will be coming back with a ramped up lineup after fizzling out this gen.

As for why, I think it is the result of a myriad of issues.

That seems likely. But with the launch of Scorpio soon it seems like the next gen is still 3 or 4 years away. I would imagine they would want to come out swinging with Scorpio and really sell the most powerful console out right now but I guess not.

 

[J@hranimo]

WOW how did I miss this thread?

What a strange year for Xbox. Scalebound cancelled, new iterative 4K system $150-$200 the competition, no new Halo game news, and now this.

Hope they get their shit together in 2018.

 

[border]

I don't think any significant number of consumers were going to buy a $500 console upgrade for Crackdown 3. Xbox One X will be sold the same way the PS4 Pro was....it's the place to have superior versions of very well known and well loved AAA franchises.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I thought I had predicted this in 2015, but turns out I was too optimistic and was thinking 2017 at the time..

The reason we aren't seeing other companies pursue this tech is because the economics don't really add up. At this point Crackdown's use of cloud tech is a vanity project for MS, which is why we are only seeing it in one mode of one game that won't actually ship until 4 years after they made all their bombastic "power of the cloud" claims. Everyone else who wants destruction will figure out a way to do it locally because the costs of not only maintaining servers, but engineering a hybrid physics system are not justified by the gains that the cloud offers.

 

[Theslammer]

1) The game's multiplayer did impress people. They just don't believe it.
2) I specifically remembered people didn't care Sony's first party line up in 2015, because of "superior" third party game experiences like Star Wars Battlefront, BO3 and Fallout 4. This year, Xbox will have the superior experience on Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, Assassin's Creed, The Evil Within 2, plus Forza 7. I don't see why people keep saying Xbox's line-up is anemic. It's as if multiplats don't count as games.

1) They have not shown much about the multiplayer, so not really.
2) You also had games like Bloodborne that year, which was fantastic. Their 2015 line-up is also light years ahead of this 2017 line-up. Also, I didn't say the Xbox's line-up is anemic; I said MS's is. Compare this to the breadth of their content during the Xbox and early 360 days, and it's clear there's something terribly wrong going on, probably straight from the top.

 

[Bronetta]

In fairness it's Japanese 3rd parties that hold sony up not their exclusive deals. Many of them are exclusive by design; sony would have some awful exclusive gaming years without them . Luckily for them they benefit just by being a Japanese company

Imagine a world where

Nier
Nioh
Dragon quest
Yakuza
Etc would be 3rd party like western games generally is. This would basically be a hzd and that's it year. Ms not receiving 3rd party Japanese titles is a bigger blow then their 1p 3p exclusive issues.

So you're saying that its Microsoft's fault they dont have any exclusives but they cant even secure third party releases?

Thats pathetic, with the current state of MS first party they should be doing everything to get third parties on board, Japanese or not.


And lord help me if I see Cuphead being touted as a big MS exclusive one more time. Sony has indie titles like that every other week: Matterfall, Pyre and Nex Machina anyone?

 

[Theslammer]

In fairness it's Japanese 3rd parties that hold sony up not their exclusive deals. Many of them are exclusive by design; sony would have some awful exclusive gaming years without them . Luckily for them they benefit just by being a Japanese company

Imagine a world where

Nier
Nioh
Dragon quest
Yakuza
Etc would be 3rd party like western games generally is. This would basically be a hzd and that's it year. Ms not receiving 3rd party Japanese titles is a bigger blow then their 1p 3p exclusive issues.

Nioh is published by Sony; I'm pretty sure they have an exclusive deal with the developer.

1st party content alone, Sony's published some great games for three years running. 2014 was the only one where I didn't find a truly stand-out one, but then again, 2014 seemed underwhelming compared to 2013.

 

[Uno Venova]

1) They have not shown much about the multiplayer, so not really.
2) You also had games like Bloodborne that year, which was fantastic. Their 2015 line-up is also light years ahead of this 2017 line-up. Also, I didn't say the Xbox's line-up is anemic; I said MS's is. Compare this to the breadth of their content during the Xbox and early 360 days, and it's clear there's something terribly wrong going on, probably straight from the top.

Just take a peek at the post history my man.

 

[Boke1879]

Not to mention that you have the Switch out now as well. And their first party is putting out. Mario will dominate in October and for the rest of the year really.

 

[RedAssedApe]

To all the people who forgot Halo Wars 2 even came out, how many even remember that Phil Spencer's favorite game of all time Voodoo Vince got an HD remaster this year?

Yep.

Not sure if you're defending or slighting them? Lol

 

[dreamfall]

Well this is disappointing, and entirely unsurprising.

Microsoft has been really quiet on the game since E3, and before that, only that cloud based multiplayer destruction video existed. I hope it doesn't get canceled, and I'm glad they're taking time to make it something solid. It was visually pretty underwhelming but the game looked like fun regardless, hopefully they can make it look better.

I'm not entirely sure what the first party lineup consists of with the X right around the corner. I figure I'm getting it to play multiplatform titles at 4K/30 on a beautiful television screen, to play sports games with my brother, and to play BC games. But like the XBO I've had sitting on my shelf, I can't tell you the last first party title I've played since Forza Horizon 3. I'm happy to have it for BC, but that's more out of laziness in avoiding setting up another box.

They should probably make Crackdown 1 backwards compatible to lessen the sting.

 

[Van Bur3n]

When Sony delays a game, most people: "GOOD."
When Microsoft delays a game, we have this thread.

Most of the time, I'd say there is nothing wrong with a delay. If a game needs it and is better for it, so be it. I'm sure most people with sense see it that way.

That said, the act of delaying games from Microsoft brings out this kind of reaction for a reason. There is already enough proof to show how many first party games of theirs have been mishandled, and in same cases, cancelled. Scalebound was a victim of this, and its not unreasonable to believe there is trouble with Crackdown 3. Even more so considering its taken this long to develop the game since its announcement. Microsoft is severely lacking in the first party exclusive department. The longer it takes for them the deliver one, it worse it will look for them.

It's not a Sony vs. Microsoft thing. This has been an issue with Microsoft for some time now. Although I don't doubt some of the Sony fanatics of GAF have come out of the wood works for this thread, but still.

 

[border]

Drive Club
The Order: 1886
Uncharted 4
Horizon Zero Dawn

Sony has pretty consistently failed to deliver a AAA exclusive for Christmas for since the PS4 released. People think their strategy of "Release big titles year round" is brilliant, but it's largely the result of big titles being delayed from holiday until spring.

Gran Turismo Sport will be the first time since 2013 that Sony actually has a big first party title releasing in the holiday window, but even GT saw multiple delays.

 

[GHG]

With all these false equivalences anyone would have thought Microsoft has released 4-5 exclusive titles this year already.

Some of you guys really are doing Xbox a disservice. Defending a company that has been decreasing their output over the course of a generation, has been scaling back on new IP and is failing to also capture all of the 3rd party market.

Since when was less games and less innovation a good thing? I don't understand what you stand to gain defending this shit.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Disappointing. If it means a better final release, so be it. 2018 seems almost crowded for X1 all of a sudden, but it's too bad that it happens at the cost of having a relatively paper-thin 2017 release schedule.

 

[Blablurn]

Thats quite unfortunate for Xbox fans

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

With all these false equivalences anyone would have thought Microsoft has released 4-5 exclusive titles this year already.

They have released 5! Well, 3 and 2 ID games they own the IP on

Spoiler

Yes, I'm just messing

 

[Theslammer]

Drive Club
The Order: 1886
Uncharted 4
Horizon Zero Dawn

Sony has pretty consistently failed to deliver a AAA exclusive for Christmas for since the PS4 released. People think their strategy of "Release big titles year round" is brilliant, but it's largely the result of big titles being delayed from holiday until spring.

Gran Turismo Sport will be the first time since 2013 that Sony actually has a big first party title releasing in the holiday window, but even GT saw multiple delays.

DriveClub had the same release window GTS has.

 

[Alexander DeLarge]

When Sony delays a game, most people: "GOOD."
When Microsoft delays a game, we have this thread.

Sony can afford to delay a game because they often have an exclusive to take its place two months later. Microsoft's last AAA exclusive was Halo Wars 2, a real time strategy game. Think about that for a second.

Also this is laughable, one of those exclusives is a sequel to an Oculus exclusive as well.
https://hothardware.com/news/nintendo-switch-dominates-xbox-one-in-exclusive-games

 

[border]

DriveClub had the same release window GTS has.

Drive Club was originally supposed to be a launch title for PS4. It got released 11 months later in a relatively broken and unfinished state.

Sony can afford to delay a game because they often have an exclusive to take its place two months later.

I understand the argument that Nathan Drake Collection took the place of Uncharted 4, but what exclusives "took the place" of The Order and Horizon Zero Dawn?

 

[RowdyReverb]

Probably for the best. Hopefully the game turns out ok. They must be pretty confident in strong third party support for the XBX this holiday season

 

[Theslammer]

Drive Club was originally supposed to be a launch title for PS4. It got released 11 months later in a relatively broken and unfinished state.

Yes, it also was the 2014 holiday game for them, which is what we're talking about.

I don't think it really has much to do with the topic, but eh. =P

 

[Japanmanx3]

Lol They really can't get this right it seems.

 

[Dabi]

2018 looks to be a solid year I guess

 

[Papo Swing]

I'm happy that the game is delayed, but man my hopes for the X are not panning out for 2017.

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Good thing I sold my Xbox. What nonsense.

Yeah you dodged a bullet /s

 

[Jeff Freecss]

1) They have not shown much about the multiplayer, so not really.
2) You also had games like Bloodborne that year, which was fantastic. Their 2015 line-up is also light years ahead of this 2017 line-up. Also, I didn't say the Xbox's line-up is anemic; I said MS's is. Compare this to the breadth of their content during the Xbox and early 360 days, and it's clear there's something terribly wrong going on, probably straight from the top.

1) From the things they did show, people ARE impressed. But we got lots of "I'll believe it when I play it." and "I don't think the multiplayer is coming out."
2) And Microsoft has Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo 5 and Forza 6 that year. Microsoft clearly has the big guns that year. It just seems to me as if Microsoft just can't win.

When Microsoft has strong exclusive year, people think multiplayer is the one they care.
When Microsoft offers backward compatibility, people don't want to play old games.
When Microsoft makes a stronger machine from first party and third party games, people think only exclusives matter.
When Microsoft delays a game for polishing it, people think Microsoft betraying people's expectations.

Besides backward compatibility, all the other situations happen to Sony, too. And we get vastly different outcome. It's like some of the people here will never buy a Xbox no matter what and still make it a habit to rain on Microsoft, party or not.

Just look at the first page of the thread:
Rumor: Horizon: Zero Dawn delayed to early 2017 and you'll get what I mean. And this is just one example.

 

[Krappadizzle]

Feel the same way as I did with the RDR2 delay. Disappointed, but I've waited this long, can't hurt to wait a bit longer on the chance they make a good game great.

 

[Owari]

1) The game's multiplayer did impress people. They just don't believe it.
2) I specifically remembered people didn't care Sony's first party line up in 2015, because of "superior" third party game experiences like Star Wars Battlefront, BO3 and Fallout 4. This year, Xbox will have the superior experience on Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, Assassin's Creed, The Evil Within 2, plus Forza 7. I don't see why people keep saying Xbox's line-up is anemic. It's as if multiplats don't count as games.


Exactly this.

Won't be superior to PC.

 

[EventHorizon]

I don't think any significant number of consumers were going to buy a $500 console upgrade for Crackdown 3. Xbox One X will be sold the same way the PS4 Pro was....it's the place to have superior versions of very well known and well loved AAA franchises.

The problem for the XB1x is that the Pro came out a year earlier and is cheaper. The question becomes, "How much better can a game that has to still run on the base model XB1 look on the X over the Pro?" The early adopters chasing the best version of games already bought the Pro and belong to Sony online communities. The marginal improvement of the XB1x over the Pro is going to be a tough sell at $500.

 

[Fat4all]

When Microsoft has strong exclusive year, people think multiplayer is the one they care.
When Microsoft offers backward compatibility, people don't want to play old games.
When Microsoft makes a stronger machine from first party and third party games, people think only exclusives matter.
When Microsoft delays a game for polishing it, people think Microsoft betraying people's expectations.

this reads like a conspiracy theory

 

[Bsigg12]

Won't be superior to PC.

I mean, that goes without saying...

 

[Floody]

1) The game's multiplayer did impress people. They just don't believe it.
2) I specifically remembered people didn't care Sony's first party line up in 2015, because of "superior" third party game experiences like Star Wars Battlefront, BO3 and Fallout 4. This year, Xbox will have the superior experience on Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, Assassin's Creed, The Evil Within 2, plus Forza 7. I don't see why people keep saying Xbox's line-up is anemic. It's as if multiplats don't count as games.


Exactly this.

Sony had the game of the generation in many people's opinion (mine too) in 2015 with Bloodborne, plus Until Dawn, Nate Drake Collection, Rocket League and plenty of good indies, not a great line up by any means, but not completely overshadowed by the competition either. So is easier to give a pass, though plenty were still annoyed that they would constantly delay shit, to the point Sony themselves have come out and said they won't be putting release dates on stuff until they are very confident it'll be met now. Saying people don't care when Sony delay stuff, is just not true, plenty cared, just not everyone, like with Crackdown 3.

MS just have had a terrible line up this year and it's just gotten worse, not shocking that less people are willing to give them as much of a free pass.

 

[Stripper13]

The problem for the XB1x is that the Pro came out a year earlier and is cheaper. The question becomes, "How much better can a game that has to still run on the base model XB1 look on the X over the Pro?" The early adopters chasing the best version of games already bought the Pro and belong to Sony online communities. The marginal improvement of the XB1x over the Pro is going to be a tough sell at $500.

Pretty much this. I have a PS Pro and it looks great in 4K.
I have little interest in buying another piece of hardware to do 4K, regardless of 'true 4k' etc

So it's then up to MS to entice me with a good line up of software AND some graphical showpieces (something like Halo would have been good).

Needless to say, they're not even close. As someone who was very much on board with MS/Xbox in the 360 days, they're so far off the mark lately - that I don't think they'll sort it out anytime soon.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

What a joke. Have fun selling a new $500 box with just Forza.

 

[LionPride]

Yo this shit ain't ever comin out

 

[Theslammer]

1) From the things they did show, people ARE impressed. But we got lots of "I'll believe it when I play it." and "I don't think the multiplayer is coming out."
2) And Microsoft has Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo 5 and Forza 6 that year. Microsoft clearly has the big guns that year. It just seems to me as if Microsoft just can't win.

When Microsoft has strong exclusive year, people think multiplayer is the one they care.
When Microsoft offers backward compatibility, people don't want to play old games.
When Microsoft makes a stronger machine from first party and third party games, people think only exclusives matter.
When Microsoft delays a game for polishing it, people think Microsoft betraying people's expectations.

Besides backward compatibility, all the other situations happen to Sony, too. And we get vastly different outcome. It's like some of the people here will never buy a Xbox no matter what and still make it a habit to rain on Microsoft, party or not.

Just look at the first page of the thread:
Rumor: Horizon: Zero Dawn delayed to early 2017 and you'll get what I mean. And this is just one example.

1) They've barely showed anything. There's not much to be impressed about as of yet.
2) ROTTR was a timed exclusive, so ehhh. Halo 5 was a step down for the franchise overall, but YMMV.

But regardless, it feels like you're ignoring the context of all of this: 2016's line-up wasn't that great, and 2017's is even smaller. And the amount of announcements of new games for the platform has also shrunk year after year. There were those of us who used to be very impressed by what they could produce. The Xbox days are a great example, and the early 360 days were quite promising. Those of us who used to think this are not just going to give them a pass for whatever reason when their line-up is clearly not only less exciting, but straight up anemic.

If that's good enough for you and you're having fun, then great; there's clearly a market for their strategy. But it doesn't mean I have to be pleased or that people should feel there's a reason to purchase the console, four years into a generation. It's like the opposite of Nintendo where they produced almost nothing in 2016 but totally made up for it this year, really showing how they used delays from 2016 and that sparse line-up to give fans something to look forward to in 2017 and 2018. The same can't be said for MS, unfortunately.

 

[border]

The problem for the XB1x is that the Pro came out a year earlier and is cheaper. The question becomes, "How much better can a game that has to still run on the base model XB1 look on the X over the Pro?" The early adopters chasing the best version of games already bought the Pro and belong to Sony online communities. The marginal improvement of the XB1x over the Pro is going to be a tough sell at $500.

I feel like you could have made the same arguments against the PS4 Pro though. If you want the superior version of this or that title there was always PC gaming as an option. Microsoft announced the X1X prior to the Pro, so there's an indeterminate number of people who may have just held out for Scorpio. I think it's far more likely that both the Pro and the X1X are targeted at a console-focused crowd that will buy anything and everything that's an upgrade. They got a Pro and they'll probably get an X1X because they want the best that's available at the time.

 

[Fat4all]

Yo this shit ain't ever comin out

I feel like they've put too much into it, there's no way they don't release it

'when' is the real question

 

[David___]

I feel like they've put too much into it, there's no way they don't release it

'when' is the real question

They spent 75 million on Fable Legends that was in a playable beta state and canceled it