TheMan
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Gran Turismo Sport Previews
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BigEmil
Junior Member
Lol. If people want change vote with your wallet don't buy this and if you must then buy it used or rent or buy in deep sale
I'm not so sure about my preorder. But I have so much money from buying PSN cards free on Amazon by selecting slow shipping with prime lol. I have like 150 in there and already have a bunch of stuff preordered or bought in the last couple months.
If this game sucks Polyphony needs to get a shake up.
If this game sucks Polyphony needs to get a shake up.
Inf3cted_b3ast
Member
The more I hear about this game, the more my interest continues to dwindle. I'll continue to keep up with whatever info they release about the game but I will not be there day 1 for sure. The car list and track list are really bad. The sp is up in the air. No weather has been revealed. I can't find anything good about this game besides the replays. I can't understand what PD has been doing all this years.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Doubtful Can't think of too many Ots that are overly negative unless a game is broken or something only ppl that stick in them are ppl that bought the game
Audioboxer
Member
Reviews are going to absolutely destroy Sport. It might actually be the final nail to blast PDs incompetence.
It's as if Konami are their idols and they want to do as much self-inflicted damage to themselves as possible. It will get to a point where gamers stop blindly buying GT games because GT. That'll probably the the only thing that gets Sony to tell Kaz to stop trying to morph into Ken Kutaragi 2.0.
Arrogant Sony have been on the rise as usual though, so it wouldn't surprise me if the sell a glorified prologue with everything else as paid DLC is partly Sony's fantastic idea too.
sems4arsenal
Member
For what?
Content.
Look at the GTS' paltry offerings compared to its major competitors (PC2/FM7).
Audioboxer
Member
A combination of taking all of this time to release the next GT, the confusion over why it has to be called Sport and importantly, the gutting of content. All for the same $60 you've given PD before but this time for far less.
At this point I'm unsure why anyone is thinking this will review well, and by well I mean mid to high 80s on metacritic. Yeah yeah, whole review scale, but do remember where GT used to be critically.
I don't think many reviewers are going to give a flying fuck about esports promises. Most just want a connection error free fast and featured MP. As do most gamers. The small % who want esports and Kaz's "everyone can become a racing driver" dreams might be delighted, but I don't think they're really the bulk of the mainstream games reviewers, let alone gamers.
PD have made a fuss that this isn't GT7, it's Sport, then they said it technically is 7. Then all of this project mismanagement has been because they somehow "can't" do a full featured MP with e-sports without gutting the rest of the game and polarising the fan base that's followed them since the PS1. To be a fly on the wall in the PD studios these last 5 years.
sems4arsenal
Member
It has less content than PC2 and FM7 but that doesn't mean that it has too little content. I was skeptical but from what I've played of the beta -- this is easily the best GT. It fixes a lot of the baggage of the series (Sounds, Livery Editor, Netcode, performance). Just because it doesn't have 150 tracks doesn't mean it's a bad game.
HueyFreeman
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Knowlegeable people in this thread (and others) have provided plenty of detailed, accurate information about the game, and we're 2 months away from it's release. I can't imagine there are going to be major shake-ups to the things I and other people are frustrated about.
It's not a negativity train either - people love this series and are immensely frustrated by Yamauchi et al.'s unwillingness (there is no other explanation at this point, it is NOT time constraints, it is NOT lack of good competitive examples, it is NOT lack of talent) to change. So I really agree - I'm gonna have to vote with my wallet on this one. I love the series to death and have been there at launch for every entry - even the fucking ridiculous prologue entries - but GTS is just a step too far in not only its failure to change some really important things that are up to a decade overdue, but significant regression in content - all while of course maintaining a full price.
This is a good point; these were core complaints leveled against GT for years.
At the end of the day though, if I were a reviewer, I'd be tempted to make comparisons to GTS' immediate competitors. Especially since they'll already have most of the aforementioned features, along with a ton of content at launch.
Audioboxer
Member
The reasons given for cutting content back as far as they have just aren't resonating well. The game should still be able to carry the premium cars over from the past entries. People want to say it's PDs Forza 5, but sorry, this isn't a PS4 launch title. At a time when Forza is even finally getting dynamic weather we're seemingly having to celebrate a feature that was in GT5/GT6 being another thing canned.
How is it an issue that PD takes their time to release each GT game? They aren't a sequel factory, unlike some companies and drive their games to the ground releasing a game with minimal improvements every year.
If you're confused why GT Sport isn't the same as previous GT numbered entries, isn't that your own fault? Anyone that took a minute or two to a little research will find that the emphasis is on online, not single player. It's like me buying Forza Horizon and saying this game is trash because it's not a SIM. Do we even get these kind of trolls in the Forza threads?
How is it far less content? That's just your opinion. Care to explain what is far less? Your definition of far less could be different from everyone else. Do people complain about the content differences between Forza (numbered) and Forza Horizon?
People that buy GT-S know what they're going into. Seems like the majority of people complaining in every GT thread are trolls/viral marketers imo. I never see the same shit-posts in other racing threads.
sems4arsenal
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Comparisons are more than fair. I've been playing PCARS on/off for about a year and the successor needs to be a major step up to worry GTS in my opinion. The game is riddled with bugs, poor car setups and graphical glitches. FM7 seems to be the better overall package I reckon but if GTS's custom offline race options are generous, then it will solve a lot of the complaints.
@audioboxer : The track list is baffling I agree. DLC tracks for GT6 being not future proofed is astonishing. But the car list is more than adequate, and it is clear that they have superior modeling to the others.
Audioboxer
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Yes that's right I'm a viral marketer, you got me. It can't possibly be the fact we've waited 4 years for this coming off a GT6 which should probably have been on the PS4 as a launch title anyway (yeah we know Driveclub was to get that limelight, but look how that turned out). 4 years to wait to have to fall in-line without daring to question what the hell PD are doing with GT that justifies such a cut back on cars, tracks, single player and features like dynamic weather. Oh, but it's for e-sports! Well, not everyone cares about that, so there, there's your main reason many traditional and historical GT fans are a bit frustrated.
PD will never be dethroned on graphics, but graphics are only part of an overall package.
AstroNut325
Member
Change what?
I like how you couldn't answer any of my questions. Way to dodge the bullet.
PD already explained that they had to rebuild all the assets from scratch. If you don't like it, write a complaint to them. Moving forward they did note that they could use these assets in the future. Which might mean GT7 in 4 years instead of 5.
What is wrong with PD mixing it up and giving the fans a different GT experience? I for one am sick of the same single player experience in every GT and am looking forward to GT-S.
Audioboxer
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When I don't like things I do what the best viral marketers do and that is complain on messageboards. Translator-san probably doesn't care to translate angry emails for Kaz to read. Kaz probably doesn't even read his own emails!
PD can and will do whatever PD wants, my speculation as it others is that Sport is going to be the least acclaimed entry of GT yet. Sales will be up for grabs, it's the first PS4 title so it'll probably still do gang busters. It's going to burn some of those legacy GT fans who maybe aren't online 24/7 reading gaming news. When they get into it and it's cut back from 5/6 there will probably be some post purchase complaining. Maybe a bit of No Man's Sky levels of trading something back in.
As I said above I doubt the vast majority of GT fans that make up the millions of sales care desperately about esports. Nuking SP into what it is, is a bold move. As is cutting the car selection drastically from what GT fans expect. PD can say it's due to doing everything from scratch, but when someone who's paid $60 for GT5/6 pays $60 for this there is going to be comparisons in car counts. Tracks too. Telling people to go online and read about how Kaz decided everything was to be done from scratch rather than imported and improved from 6 isn't going to completely shutdown value proposition arguments. Expect to see those in reviews too, even from journalists who've heard everything Kaz has to say.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
The amount of times you ppl predict bomb we wouldn't have any games or companies left in the industry
All you do is regurgitate the same message in nearly all of your posts. Why are you spreading FUD? Now you want to compare this to NMS. NMS over promised and under delivered. What is PD promising that isn't going to be in the game? Are you going to avoid answering my questions and use it as an excuse to say the same thing you've been saying since the beginning of the thread?
You want to make a big emphasis on $60. That's the price of nearly every regular game these days. Are you trying to create a new MEME or something? Maybe you're one of those type of people that like listening to yourself talk and that's why you keep repeating the same message. Have you heard of the term throw up in a bucket? Yea, that's what you're doing.
Nothing. And in fact, I think you would find many GT fans wanted PD to change the formula. What they didn't want was a game with a shocking track list, a shocking car list, a heavy focus toward online play and a removal of the key advancements that were made in GT5, notably dynamic time and weather.leehom said:
Do you know what, I don't agree. I think GTS is going to flop massively, commercially. My prediction is that shortly after GTS' release, we'll suddenly get an announcement that work on GT7 is full speed ahead. I'm just not sensing the hype. Recall the run-up to GT5's launch; the excitement was palpable. GT5 was a big deal at all the trade shows; we had endless GT5 threads: the hype and excitement was genuine.Audioboxer said:
There's nothing like that with Sport. Absolutely nothing.
What is shocking about the track and car list? Would you have preferred 30 FPS with dynamic weather or 60 FPS w/o?
I don't even care about sales, but it would be interesting if you're right.
Audioboxer
Member
Viral marketer gets OWNED in a GT Sport topic. You won't believe what happens next!
Dude prepare yourself for the review topic as you might just blow a gasket. Nothing I'm saying is out of the ordinary criticism of PD right now. PD have been receiving a lot of positive critical feedback for years, but if you scour old GT topics not many ever asked for nuking the base game to as basic a level as this.
Sony dumping Sport to the E3 pre-show was a bit strange, but then again Sony probably just think the brand is big enough to sell no matter what. Which it is, but it's E3 presence was dire.
The first GT hype on PS4 was still be real, but as I jokingly inferred above about week 1 tradeins I do think there genuinely will be a few more casual gamers who pickup Sport not knowing the extent of how things have changed from 5/6.
StereoVsn
Member
Welp, it looks like I will be getting Project Cars 2 as my racing game and probably will get that on PC for VR options. Loved Driveclub (after improvements), loved older GT games, but this one completely falls flat.
Much like Capcom did with SFV, Sony is terribly overestimating the online community/esports driving sales.
Much like Capcom did with SFV, Sony is terribly overestimating the online community/esports driving sales.
endlessflood
Member
If people bought GT5 and were disappointed, you'd expect that the backlash would manifest itself in poor sales for the next series entry. And it did, FWIW.
I don't care what reviewers say or sales numbers. That's petty stuff fanboys argue about. Interesting you would think I care about that, but it looks like you're hedging your bets on it to prove your point.
The only reason why I jumped in this thread is because you're more repetitive than a broken record.
transformer
Member
GT5 was my last GT. Lost me after that one. I'm actually way more interested in GTS than I was for GT6. I don't think it's going to get me to buy a PS4 for it, but perhaps it will. The quality over quantity focus is a step in the right direction.
Well. hey, it worked from GT2 (650 cars) to GT3: A-Spec (181 cars). In fact, GT3 actually went on to become the best selling GT game, maybe we might see history repeat itself.
Audioboxer
Member
You don't care about what reviews say but you have a fixation on what one single forum poster thinks? I can assure you all the journalists who will end up reviewing this have far more reach and credibility than me. Therefore, if you don't care about them little broken record me should be easy to ignore!
The funny thing is if things end up going as I fear I see that as further critical feedback that really has to start turning cogs in Kaz's head. Maybe it's time the studio expands, starts outsourcing or even brings in some other project leads? I'm sure Kaz like anyone will love making money but GT is his and PDs legacy and if it keeps slipping critically it has to hurt a bit.
Maybe, but this isn't 2001 anymore. The car count dropping to what it has is annoying for many, but it's largely about the SP "overhaul" too.
I'm not going to go as low to make a joke about how GT3 had more cars than Sport...
You're right, FUD on little record. I don't think you answered any of my questions and proved my point that you're a GT hater or viral marketer.
PeterLegend
Member
I can already tell the reviews for this game isn't going to be pretty....
I'm predicting a meta of 80 or even less
I'm predicting a meta of 80 or even less
What does the year have to do with anything?
By that logic we can say: "This isn't 2001 anymore, this is 2017 - where our video games are further enhanced with online services and content, whereby any player can race each other head-to-head and players can take part in community events, organise races with a closed group of friends, have access to online platforms and services such as global leaderboards. This is 2017 - where a game which is released with what is considered "bare-bones" content can be further supplimented by the way of game updates or DLC."
The fact of the matter is, we won't know all the facts (be it review scores, game content, DLC roadmaps, game systems, game mechanics or fan service/reception) until the game actually releases. Anything suggested otherwise, by way of yours or other people's overly negative posts are what I consider to be a bit of hyperbole.
I can already tell the reviews for this game isn't going to be pretty....
I'm predicting a meta of 80 or even less
Why does the meta score matter? Is a meta score of 79 going to ruin your enjoyment of the game?
I don't think "arrogant Sony" has anything to do with this, this game problem is the opposite.
Kaz has free pass at Sony, he can do what he wants and that's the problem
transformer
Member
GT3 was my favorite of the series. The jump to PS2 was epic. Ensuring the quality was there is what did it. I didn't mind losing content given how great the content was.
Audioboxer
Member
You went and outlined a fear some fans have. Say hi to mass paid DLC to bulk up the game.
Releasing content-light games at launch with paid DLC isn't a thing many actively celebrate in 20xx.
Primarily yes, but Jim Ryan is probably excited as fuck about the DLC prospects here.
And you went and outlined my point of your posts being somewhat hyperbolic. No one (but PD, most likely) knows whether the DLC is going to be paid-DLC or free DLC.
endlessflood
Member
GT3 was very heavily bundled, so the higher sales aren't necessarily the best indicator, but on the content front I think people are willing to accept pared back content very early in a console's life (e.g. GT3 or GT5 Prologue) - I know I was.
We're nearly four years into the PS4's life now
PeterLegend
Member
Why? GT was the first simulator to grace consoles and was praised by everyone, casuals and hardcore folks.
However, over the last 10 years it just hasn't reached the heights the franchise was known for. It's fair to think if review scores continue to drop for over a decade there's a problem...
I'm not seeing any sim racer that's releasing with minimal improvements every year. If you're talking about Forza, that's every 2 years. And that series, with minimal improvements is now in a better position if someone were to buy an entry 4 years later than what GT has done. It becomes a big issue if you're slow at releasing a game and launching with low content in comparison to other series and your own past games.
Nobody's confused about its focus, except for seemingly Kaz himself with his recent comment on what GT Sport's experience would entail
No it is not, Forza Horizon is made by other devs, belongs to another genre, and does not contain the same kind of gameplay nor environments.
Content is one of the least subjective parts of this issue. Car count, track count, SP content can all be quantified into numbers and it is far less compared to past games. Also, again, Forza numbered is a circuit based sim racer, Forza Horizon is a open world more arcadey racer Content comparisons for do become subjective as they are racing games that belong in different genres and accomplishing totally different things (not to mention people knew to expect a mainline entry that would likely build upon the content of the previous one that came out, the following year). GT Sport however features the gameplay, tracks etc what one would expect from a numbered title, and it is being treated and priced like a mainline entry by PD & Sony so of course it'll be compared to other mainline numbered entries.
It honestly doesn't matter to me personally, it can score a 100 for all I care and I know it's not going to appeal to me. However, metascore can have an impact as to how the game's sales legs are, how the game is perceived in the general market, and as a result, impacts the future of the series. So if you like or don't like the direction this game is going in, and want more of this direction or don't want more of this direction, it absolutely matters.
They said the same thing with GT5 and 6 and we all saw how that ended up.
They're free to try to provide a different experience all they want, nothing wrong with it, but there's also nothing wrong with people having an issue with them going for a different experience rather than providing the classic one. I for one had this game preordered before we found out more details, I played the beta and really enjoyed the gameplay, I had hope that the delay would result in them adding in some substantial content that appealed to me and that didn't happen. Hence I cancelled my preorder. I will buy this game when it hits the $30 pricerange or less just to get my GT gameplay fix as I still prefer its gameplay above all others.
And I will bring up an issue with it when the subject comes up, I am still a GT fan and I love the GT gameplay, I want it in packaged in content that appeals to me, and I won't be quiet as long as it isn't. Have an issue with it? Don't read or feel free to ignore.
I don't know. I will take GT6 over any simulators released on consoles this generation. When it comes to sheer pleasure of driving nothing beats GT for me.
Could you explain why their sales have been dropping since Forza 3? That's not a good indication their games are getting better.
Why does it have to have the same amount of tracks/cars as a mainline numbered entry when it isn't? When did larger numbers = better game? I will take quality over quantity any day.
Problem is that quality comes with lack of variety.
Ok, I can accept +150 cars "only".
What nobody can defend is that there isn't a single car manufacturer with more than three different real cars.
Maintenance
Member
We're going to overlook the improved sounds, graphics, livery editor, net code, performance and base it only on the amount of tracks/cars? I'm not fond of having 10 versions of the same car to inflate the car count. Each model generation is worth mentioning. Not a 97, 98, 99 model year when there is no change or such a tiny incremental variable that it's not even worth it.
It's understandable some are disappointed with the track list, but 17 is a lot to me. My favorite racer of all time is Initial D arcade and I think there's only 10 tracks in that game. Even with those 10 tracks, it took me quite a bit of time to master each one.
Nobody is fan of 25 different Skylines, the thing is the entire Nissan catalogue of GT Sport is formed by 6 different GT-R.
Not a fan of 20 Evo V, 12 Evo VI, etc... but GT Sport comes only with Evo X...
And like this, any other manufacturer.