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GOP Senator Ben Sasse Statement on Charlottesville

I haven't read the whole thing yet but he brings up a lot of things he's hearing from people in Nebraska and his own family.

THE NEXT CHARLOTTESVILLE

Over the last week, many Nebraskans have told me some version of this: ‎“There are lots of us here who are ‎scared about where the country is headed. I think more violence is inevitable." That much seems obvious. Less expected was where some of them went next. One of my constituents, a fairly energetic Trump supporter and a middle-aged man, told me:
**"To be clear, I think the alt-Right are a bunch of a**holes."‎
**"And we should admit that the President has done a bad job getting us through this."
**But "when the next rounds of violence come, I'll bet you most of it will come from the left."
**"And then some folks I know will respond in kind. It's gonna be a powder-keg."

My wife and I work hard to have chunks of family time that are "politics-free" in our home, but we haven't been very successful this week. A few observations from our family tabletalk:

1. We have neglected the American Idea for a very long time. We haven't done civics well in this country for decades, and we are reaping the consequences. We are a hollow people. We have "a whole lot of pluribus and very little unum," to quote Ken Burns.

2. America is first and foremost an Idea – that all people are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights. This universal human dignity is because God made us; it's not because of our race, or our wealth, or even our religious beliefs, as important as disagreements about theology are.

3. White supremacy and racism are un-American, period.

4. The heartbreak in Charlottesville was the fault of the ‎white supremacists. Heather Heyer was murdered by an act of terrorism. The driver used his car to target public marchers.

5. Sadly, I think that the pessimistic Nebraskans I've been with this week are right that there will be more violence toward public assemblies in the future.

6. I expect that violence will come when white supremacists and the alt-right fight anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left. ‎

7. What will happen next? I doubt that Donald Trump will be able to calm and comfort the nation in that moment. He (and lots of others) will probably tell an awful combination of partial truths and outright falsehoods. On top of the trust deficits that are already baked so deeply in, unity will be very hard to come by.

8. Besides ability and temperament, I also worry that national unity will be unlikely because there are some whispering in the President's ear that racial division could be good politics for them.

9. I worry that some on the left are also going to salivate over these divisions. Like the President's ear-whisperers, they see a divided nation as good for their political objectives.

10. Bizarrely, many on the center-left seem not to see that there is little that some on the President's team would love more than to transform this into a fight about historical monuments.

11. I wish more folks understood how many of the monuments now being debated are not really from the post-Civil War period as a way to remember war dead. Rather, contrary to popular understanding, many of these statues were explicitly erected as Segregation Monuments in the twentieth century, during Jim Crow, as a way of shouting – against the American Idea – that public spaces were to be whites-only spaces. Tragically, many of these monuments were erected exactly when lynchings of black Americans were being celebrated in those communities – and the timing overlap here was not accidental. (It's also worth noting that Gen. Robert E. Lee had opposed erecting Confederate Memorials because he worried, wisely, that they would become scabs of bitterness to be endlessly picked at.)

12. But I'm also against mobs tearing down the statues, or city governments removing them in the middle of the night. That doesn't advance the civics discussion and debates we need; it just exacerbates the unhelpful "on both sides" grievance culture. Rather, we need an orderly debate about such monuments.

13. Every single place I've been this week, I've gotten a question like this:
**"Washington and Jefferson owned slaves; do we have to tear down their statues too?"
**"Explorer X didn't treat native Americans the way he should have; do we abandon states west of the Appalachian Trail?"
**"Even Tom Osborne isn't a saint; must we tear down the statute outside Lincoln's Memorial Stadium?"

The people asking these questions (over and over and over) are not racist. Rather they're perplexed by the elite indifference to their fair questions – about the "unnaming" movement now unfolding at Yale, for example. Most of these folks voted for Trump, to be sure, but many quietly admit to being dissatisfied with his leadership. But they have ZERO uncertainty about a choice between a Trump who would defend statues of Washington and Jefferson, and a national media elite who they assume would not defend monuments to Washington and Jefferson. That's the divide many here are seeing and hearing. ‎

‎14. The white supremacists from Charlottesville now feel emboldened. They’re headed to another city sometime soon – with the express purpose of spreading their hateful rhetoric and inciting violence. This is the most attention they've received in years.

15. Tragically, there are some who want violence. Most Americans see the images from Charlottesville and our hearts break. We yearn for leaders, who raise high the exceptional American Idea of universal human dignity. But there are others who want to see these divisions exacerbated — not only the extremists on the ground but also some cable news executives who jump at division and know that what’s bad for America is good for ratings.

16. There is so much more nuance and texture inside local communities than broad-brush national "Crossfire"-like journalism usually distinguishes. One example from Nebraska right now: There seems to be a major gap on race issues between two types of generally Trump-supporting Republicans. Among more frequent church-goers, there is a lot more sadness and worry right now, whereas among more secular conservatives there seems to be a lot more "let's fight." I could be wrong, but that's been my repeated experience this week.

BEFORE THE NEXT OUTBREAK OF VIOLENCE COMES

We have a glorious heritage in the American Idea, but we have neglected it at our kids’ peril.

This is the right time for each of us – parents and grandparents, neighbors and patriots – to pause and teach our kids again about universal human dignity and about love of neighbor. This is a time for discussion and education and humility, not intimidation and mobs and midnight wrecking balls. ‎

Let’s teach our kids why our First Amendment Society fights with debate, not violence. Let’s teach them that those standing in threatening mobs don’t stand with America. Let’s teach them that white supremacy is a cancer to our union. Let’s teach them to reject identity politics. Let's teach them that all of us are created equal, with infinite dignity and limitless potential. Let’s teach them that what makes us Americans is not our skin, our wealth, or our religion but our shared creed. ‎

That creed, ironically, was put to paper most profoundly by a very fallen slave-holder, who spoke for the long-term future of America in writing that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights…” We eventually went to war to preserve a creedal “government of the people, by the people, for the people.” And that creed eventually perfected our union from a jail cell in Birmingham, Alabama, with the proclamation that “‎the goal of America is freedom.”

It feels like violence is coming. I'm not sure if this moment is like the summer of '67 or not. But it might be. Before that violence strikes again, it’s up to us to reaffirm that exceptional American Creed again today, with our neighbors, and in our kids' hearts.

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorSasse/posts/1356425404455401?_fb_noscript=1
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Just because Buzzfeed uses weird creepy bullet point lists doesn't mean adults need to. There's absolutely no reason this couldn't be an actual essay. You can't run for President as the Elder Statesman of Intellectual Conservatism if you assume your readers can't follow a short 1-2 page piece articulating your ideas without dumbing it down for them. Sorry Ben.
 

jtb

Banned
This is.... fine. I guess.

I'm much more interested in what he's going to do about the white supremacists running amok.

(Spoiler: nothing)

Let's teach them to reject identity politics.

Just couldn't resist, could ya.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Is this a condemation of white supremacists and their ilk or a call to not lump Trump voters in with them? All I gotta say is you don't roll in the shit and not come out stinking.
 

pigeon

Banned
Ben Sasse disapproves of Nazis and is willing to do absolutely nothing in his power to stop them from running the White House. Also, if there's more violence, the left will be to blame.

Message received!
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't understand how your head doesn't explode from the cognitive dissonance involved in criticizing Trump for "both sides" rhetoric in the middle of a "both sides" rant.
 
Ben Sasse disapproves of Nazis and is willing to do absolutely nothing in his power to stop them from running the White House. Also, if there's more violence, the left will be to blame.

Message received!

This was what I got out of it.

Also, we should try to discuss confederate monuments. Right.
 

RPGCrazied

Member
Nothing is going to change unless they do something other then try and talk tough. Talking time is over. Either do something, or this runs hallow.
 

rackham

Banned
What debate is needed to remove the statues?

Here let me have it for everyone right here

"THE STATUES REPRESENT HISTORY. HOW WILL WE REMEMBER???"

"history books..."

"THEY'RE ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES-"

"they're about the people who fought to keep slavery because they believed that non whites were less than them in every single way"

Wow that was a really good debate. Glad I could have this conversation with myself.
 

Nafai1123

Banned
Quit with the platitudes and tell us what you're going to do about the Nazis. Until that issue is solved there will be violence because their entire ideology is violence.
 

Ponn

Banned
Nothing is going to change unless they do something other then try and talk tough. Talking time is over. Either do something, or this runs hallow.

When have conservatives ever had a discussion with alt righters, KKK and white nationalists about their positions? Have they been out there peacefully protesting? Are they the ones confronting them on social media and challenging their message? Where are they??
 
Fuck off and get back to us when you can say something of any value, and not some bullet point religious laden kumbaya bullshit, K Ben?
 

WinFonda

Member
6. I expect that violence will come when white supremacists and the alt-right fight anarchist groups aligned with the extreme left.
sure, cuz that's exactly who's going to be showing up to oppose fucking nazis
 
When have conservatives ever had a discussion with alt righters, KKK and white nationalists about their positions? Have they been out there peacefully protesting? Are they the ones confronting them on social media and challenging their message? Where are they??


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Nafai1123

Banned
When have conservatives ever had a discussion with alt righters, KKK and white nationalists about their positions? Have they been out there peacefully protesting? Are they the ones confronting them on social media and challenging their message? Where are they??

They're too chicken shit to do anything because they want and need Nazi votes, which is why all of this rings so hollow. You REALLY want to do something about this? Then fucking DO SOMETHING. Talk is cheap.
 

Red

Member
11. I wish more folks understood how many of the monuments now being debated are not really from the post-Civil War period as a way to remember war dead. Rather, contrary to popular understanding, many of these statues were explicitly erected as Segregation Monuments in the twentieth century, during Jim Crow, as a way of shouting – against the American Idea – that public spaces were to be whites-only spaces. Tragically, many of these monuments were erected exactly when lynchings of black Americans were being celebrated in those communities – and the timing overlap here was not accidental. (It's also worth noting that Gen. Robert E. Lee had opposed erecting Confederate Memorials because he worried, wisely, that they would become scabs of bitterness to be endlessly picked at.)
This good.

Point 13 is not legitimate. Very few people are claiming no distinction between Washington and Lee. The fears are stoked by right wing media, the threat of removing statues and memorials to the founding fathers does not exist. Trump is not defending those memorials. He is using a false equivalency to exacerbate political unrest.
 

zelas

Member
Is this a condemation of white supremacists and their ilk or a call to not lump Trump voters in with them? All I gotta say is you don't roll in the shit and not come out stinking.

Pretty much. Can't really act like you care about unity while you're attacking the left and pretending you havent been given the answer, multiples times, to the ignorant as fuck question of "what about Washington's and Jefferson's slaves?" Acting as if its a near certainty that left is going to be the cause of more violence.

Fuck off dude.
 
8. Besides ability and temperament, I also worry that national unity will be unlikely because there are some whispering in the President's ear that racial division could be good politics for them.

well this is just about history's greatest understatement.
 
So, Ben Sasse is unsurprisingly not a racist and a decent student of history. But he's equally unwilling to actually criticize Trump, who isn't even a Republican.

There's a lot of good in his post. Sasse is, by all accounts, a thoroughly decent human being. But Facebook posts don't do shit against white supremacists and Nazis.

Vote to censure the goddamn racist-in-chief and we can have your nuanced debate.
 

dakini

Member
Oh look, it's my senator talking about how much different he is from Trump and yet still managing to vote with him 90% of the time.
 
Remember when fuckboi Ben Sasse said he could never support Trump after his grab her by the pussy comment? Now he not only supports him, but even supports him even knowing he's a racist.
 

Ponn

Banned

Good gif for the moderates that have been tone policing the left all week but silent as hell otherwise.

They're too chicken shit to do anything because they want and need Nazi votes, which is why all of this rings so hollow. You REALLY want to do something about this? Then fucking DO SOMETHING. Talk is cheap.

I've seen like maybe two total posts all week from republicans saying they didn't like that these people were seen as their party. Then they were gone like a fart in the fucking wind. That has been the absolute best you can get out of these people.

"KKK and Nazis are bad, but let's talk about staying peaceful and non-violent, I'm looking at you liberals"

I'm not really seeing much a difference between that and what Trump said honestly.
 
Ben Sasse disapproves of Nazis and is willing to do absolutely nothing in his power to stop them from running the White House. Also, if there's more violence, the left will be to blame.

Message received!

"I will write a seemingly intelligent essay to make myself feel better while absolutely nothing because my party benefits from this. When Trump inevitably implodes in office I can sell myself as one of the good ones even though I did nothing with my votes and no one will remember".
 

banktree

Banned
If asked questions about comparisons in statues, the simplest answer is best. Jefferson and Washington may have owned slaves, but they didn't make slavery the centerpiece of a country. They certainly didn't try and destroy a country for it. They never killed anyone for the institution of slavery.

Those statues along with the flag are not the heritage of the United States of America, they're the heritage of traitors and racists. Put the participation trophies in museums or utterly destroy them, and let the rest of us be done with them.
 

Blader

Member
What a frustrating post. He so frequently skirts right up to saying the right thing, then freezes up and backs away like he got caught under a spotlight.

Nobody is advocating for the removal of Washington and Jefferson statues. If taking down the Confederate statues makes you uneasy about erasing your history, then move them into a museum. And if you're so fucking concerned about civics education in this country, maybe stop trying to gut public schools so often.
 

Aaron

Member
Except there isn't an extreme left. There's no group of marchers calling for the deaths of white people like these Nazis were for Jews and minorities. The thing I absolutely hate most about modern politics is the ability to state bullshit as fact, and completely get away with it.
 
Just because Buzzfeed uses weird creepy bullet point lists doesn't mean adults need to. There's absolutely no reason this couldn't be an actual essay. You can't run for President as the Elder Statesman of Intellectual Conservatism if you assume your readers can't follow a short 1-2 page piece articulating your ideas without dumbing it down for them. Sorry Ben.

Seriously. Adults can follow a coherent paragraph structure essay. I like to think our level of discourse is a little better than a c-grade cracked.com article.
 

Chumly

Member
1/2 with good points bashing trump and telling him he needs to be better. But by god we can't forget the horrible left and their thirst for violence and the national media who wants to tear down Washington and Jefferson monuments.

Fuck you ben sasse. Your a horrible senator.
 

gutshot

Member
There is no reasonable debate to be had thanks to conservative media poisoning the well of discourse with an "us vs them" mentality and bullshit conspiracy theories. You can't get through to these people, so why bother?
 
Sasse gets on his high horse and acts like he's better than Trump, then ends up politicizing it all and pointing a finger at liberals. Unbelievable. The GOP, y'all.
 
An essay by a coward who will still end up voting against your rights to exist even if he feels bothered enough to take a stand against Nazis.
 

Ivan 3414

Member
Just because Buzzfeed uses weird creepy bullet point lists doesn't mean adults need to. There's absolutely no reason this couldn't be an actual essay. You can't run for President as the Elder Statesman of Intellectual Conservatism if you assume your readers can't follow a short 1-2 page piece articulating your ideas without dumbing it down for them. Sorry Ben.

Millennials are killing essays
 

Chmpocalypse

Blizzard
This is.... fine. I guess.

I'm much more interested in what he's going to do about the white supremacists running amok.

(Spoiler: nothing)



Just couldn't resist, could ya.

Seriously.

You know why we have identity politics, governor? Because Republicans, and in the past many Democrats, threw historically oppressed people under the bus of massmarket expediency.

As long as our rights are not being respected, the need for such politics will continue.

We didn't throw the first punch. Don't be surprised that we'll be goddamn sure we throw the last.
 
How the fuck do you go from point 11, which correctly states that these monuments weren't erected to honor confederate war dead, but as a literal symbol of Jim Crow era white supremacy erected decades after the war ended - and then go on to state in point 12 thatthey sshouldn't be torn down. Fuck that. People in Germany didn't erect statues of Hitler and the SS after WWII. They built monuments to the victims. The post Civil War era is so fucking glossed over in our country. All these statues should be torn down.
 

digdug2k

Member
Those damn socialist anarchists on the left. Fighting for free healthcare, basic human rights, and of course, burning it all to the ground.
 

Sulik2

Member
This man voted to repeal Obamacare and was willing to become a mass murderer and he is still more anti Nazi then the president of the united states.

If the left actually had the list for violence the GOP complains about all these senators would have been under the guillotine for their their healthcare votes. They don't exist and it's a way to and deflect attention that the strongest supports of the GOP are literally violent nazis.
 

erlim

yes, that talented of a member
Just because Buzzfeed uses weird creepy bullet point lists doesn't mean adults need to. There's absolutely no reason this couldn't be an actual essay. You can't run for President as the Elder Statesman of Intellectual Conservatism if you assume your readers can't follow a short 1-2 page piece articulating your ideas without dumbing it down for them. Sorry Ben.

I've noticed that most people would rather have bullet-pointed correspondence over emails versus a prose styled response. I don't like it any more than you, but people will often purposefully ignore non-bullet pointed communication for professional correspondence, in my experience.
 

Red

Member
How the fuck do you go from point 11, which correctly states that these monuments weren't erected to honor confederate war dead, but as a literal symbol of Jim Crow era white supremacy erected decades after the war ended - and then go on to state in point 12 thatthey sshouldn't be torn down. Fuck that. People in Germany didn't erect statues of Hitler and the SS after WWII. They built monuments to the victims. The post Civil War era is so fucking glossed over in our country. All these statues should be torn down.
I am sympathetic to his argument. Tearing them down inflames the sensibilities of those who have not yet been convinced it is the right thing to do. I get it, and I agree that debate would be the best course in a perfectly just world. But the world is not just, and the struggle of those oppressed is not over. They are still at war. As long as the prevailing culture oppresses them, and threatens them with racist monuments, violence against those monuments is fair game. They are violence themselves, and a testament to the violence coded into the culture.
 
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