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Life Is Strange: Before The Storm PC uses Denuvo
- Thread starter axisofweevils
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No one now is, but what about in the future?
Dreamwriter
Member
Mass_Pincup
Banned
You can have patches on a cracked version. You can even redownload the whole game with the update and keep progressing with your save from the previous version.
Not really, hes quite clearly complaining about it.
Not all games get official fixes from developers. Don't confuse good samaritans (modders) as an employee.
Can't be patched with fixes? Wut? Are you from 1995? Every pirated game gets the fixes and patches these days.
The pirated version will be a better deal because it will actually fucking work after the servers go down.
Cramoss
Member
Wrong, Steam itself is not a DRM
There are games you can run without Steam but lots of developers choose not to
RIME developers botched the shit out of there Denuvo implementation, so they're probably not a great example.
Denuvo has already proven itself multiple times to prevent day 1 piracy which is typically the most important part of anti-piracy solutions. That's why it'll continue to be used.
This too, Steam CEG is the DRM solution included in Steamworks, but it's not mandatory.
Dreamwriter
Member
As will this unpirated game, since it doesnt take require an always-on connection
This is also the most horribly wrong statement someone has posted yet in this thread. It shows you have complete ignorance of DRM history. Publishers kept on using stupid idiotic draconian DRM like Securom for years and years and years. Despite the fucking games getting cracked in the very same fucking day.. More than a decade of using those crappy DRMS without them ever, ever, helping initial sales in any way.
Steam has also foolproof protection against game leaks already, Denuvo isn't needed for that.
False. Is it really that hard to make some actual research before posting?
Reading comprehension is hard. It says in the OP that Before the Storm runs offline.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
If Before the storm is on sale in 5 years and denuvo died in the meantime it won't.
Or just if you uninstalled it and just want to play it again in the future.
As shown with previous DRM, publishers can't be trusted to remove them (think Anno and Bulletstorm for exemple).
The game doesn't need online connection, won't ever be modded, won't run poorly because of DRM but people are still trying to make some "statements".
Publishers already explained why they are using Denuvo. If you think that it's pointless, then why do they continue to do it? Maybe it's not pointless for THEM after all?
Publishers already explained why they are using Denuvo. If you think that it's pointless, then why do they continue to do it? Maybe it's not pointless for THEM after all?
And research apparently is too hard for some people here. Yes, Life is Strange can run offline. Until it needs to check into the mandatory activation servers at the slightest change on your PC including driver updates. Until you download it after Denuvo servers go down and you can't connect to the fucking activation servers.
Do your goddamn homework before shitposting about people not liking Denuvo. Thanks.
Yeah all those publishers putting draconian DRMs like Securom for ages despite them BEING CRACKED IN THE VERY SAME DAY OF RELEASE sure cared about it being pointless or not, sure.
Here are few examples of what you can't do if Denuvo server is down:
Replacing your PC motherboard/CPU.
Uninstalling the game.
Installing in another PC.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I mean, I wasn't interested in the game, so I guess it doesn't matter how I feel about it... but fuck this shit.
ramoisdead
Member
I appreciate you being upfront with the whole Denuvo thing, probably because you guys saw what went down with Sonic Mania.
However, as much as I enjoyed Life Is Strange, I'm gonna pass on getting it for PC. You guys should know that the game is going to get cracked, put up on a torrent site for all to download, while your customers who paid for the game gets stuck with intrusive DRM that who knows when said DRM company shuts down or the game will be bogged down by performance issues. It has happened before. It would be nice if it was stated the DRM is available for only a limited time but that usually never happens.
So I guess I can scratch this game off my list.
Pilgrimzero
Member
My thoughts exactly.
Visualante2
Member
Publishers keep using this shit even after Resident Evil 7 so it's either cheap, or works well enough in that short period to be worth the backlash.
Can't see anything changing in the short term. They probably see a boost of sales when they remove the DRM so publishers probably feel like they're keeping everyone happy with the current situation.
Can't see anything changing in the short term. They probably see a boost of sales when they remove the DRM so publishers probably feel like they're keeping everyone happy with the current situation.
CecilRousso
Member
Wouldn't expect it from this publisher, who rarely values it's customers. Their previous Denuvo titles still have the DRM implemented.
PhantomThief
Banned
Dude, chill.
PhantomThief
Banned
Maybe he wouldn't have to write in bold if people started reading instead of yelling out bs statements.
Right after people stop posting dumb statements when they have no idea what they're talking about
I am expecting the lovely Denuvo too for FFXV.
Right after people stop posting dumb statements when they have no idea what they're talking about
Some people just don't care enough, still not worth getting worked up about it.
Lot of people don't care about not being able to play their games in the future until it actually happens. I don't think Denuvo has had its SecuRom kernel driver BSOD moment, so no one really cares as long as the game works.
thebigmachine
Member
Everyone knows day 1 sales is where most of the money is made on the majority of games. While it may get cracked relatively quickly it should curb piracy until then.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
"I don't know what the big deal is, my heart is fine!"
Some denuvo games are released only once and then the updates are forgotten. I.E. Watch_Dogs 2 and Dishonored 2.
Saying things like this while complaining about dumb statements doesn't help your case.
Oh, they care. Maybe not about the issue directly, but they definitely care that it's being discussed. If they didn't, they wouldn't participate in the discussion. People who use the "don't care" or "nobody cares" excuses generally use it as a smokescreen for their disdain toward the discussion at hand. It's a classic silencing tactic.
PhantomThief
Banned
I know right? Says right in the OP that the game runs offline.
Except when you the denuvo server is offline and you want to change a part in your pc, then it will not allow you to play.
But hey, you are the one in here accusing people of wanting to pirate the game.
masterkajo
Member
I don't get what all the fuss is about. Denuvo as a anti temper solution works great. Granted it has to be properly implemented but they are making a living with this, so I guess they know what they are doing. The always online thing is also not true. AFAIK, you need an internet connection once at the very beginning when you start the game for the first time and that is it. Also you don't have to install any third party software or have your HDD written on permanently. These times are long over. Don't believe everything you read on the internet (I know that this is paradoxical).
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
I know right? Says right in the OP that the game runs offline.
Says right in the topic from people who are actually familiar with Denuvo and not typing out PR statements that Denuvo still needs those checks based on various criteria. It may not be an always-online check, but there are still checks.
But I guess research is still 'trivial shit'.
CecilRousso
Member
Have you read any of the arguments as to why Denuvo bothers and concerns people?
Every Denuvo thread here on Neogaf goes on for multiple pages, and arguments for concerns are listed multiple times in each of them. Just check in the ongoing Sonic Mania uses Denuvo-thread, if you don't think this thread is clear enough about it.
Uhhhh I'm talking about the people in this thread saying things like "what's the big deal, I've never had an issue with Denuvo"
Those people can't look years in the future when unpatched Denuvo games are unplayable because the servers go down.
I own some games on Steam that are no longer playable because of shitty DRM (thanks TAGES).
I'm just telling the dude to stop responding to those people because he isn't going to change their minds until they are legit affected.
EDIT: not sure if you're saying I'm trying to silence discussion with my post or if you're agreeing with me lol
I know right? Says right in the OP that the game runs offline.
Jesus christ, you really can't read, can you? It's honestly incredible.
Accusing people of wanting to pirate the game, as well as completely ignoring facts very clearly presented to you, I'm amazed you aren't banned yet tbh
It needs online authentication either way. It's well documented at this point.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I know right? Says right in the OP that the game runs offline.
You know what? If you're interested in this game on PC download it then cut your internet connection and try to run the game. Pretty sure you won't be able to.
Because as with previous DRM if the company goes down so are you game you purchased.
masterkajo
Member
I know the concerns but there is already prove that most is not true. And yet people still go around spreading this false information as fact. Recently even Jim Sterling stated some of those "facts". People should do research beforehand and not spread false information all over the internet... But that is todays world it seems.
Oh I won't hold my breath about it, we have seen that the games getting cracked is often not enough to see it removed, so hope is all that is left.
At least it helps with backlogs, it's more games which will wait for crack + steam sales.
holygeesus
Banned
You have literally zero proof in regard the impact Denuvo has on sales, just as you could argue that I have no conclusive evidence that it actually helps sales. You will find that I *have* actually done research on the matter though, rather than just peruse warez sites, and evidence of the impact of piracy is out there. It is just a fact that the initial sales period has to be protected, and seeing as it is rare that Denuvo games are patched day-one, then it's worth is obviously there when it comes to maximising sales.
Try reading this article (http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html) and educating yourself, before accusing others of not doing their own research - in particular the economy of piracy section and the DRM section. Also read up on why Jonathon Blow added it to The Witness then removed it.
As for Denuvo being 'useless' and easy to crack. It is a constantly evolving piece of kit. It was 'cracked' a long, long time back, then re-coded and had a long period where it was successful, before being slightly less of late. It is in their own interest to strengthen it again, and I hope they do.
masterkajo
Member
That is a valid concern and something I can relate to. But there is always the possibility that the developer release a patch and removes Denuvo. Granted it is not guaranteed.
Okay, I will.
Only a few have done that iirc. Many still have it.
PhantomThief
Banned
Can you respond to you claiming peeps on here are just looking to pirate the game, or is it all selective reading and replying for you.