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The General Star Trek Thread of Earl Grey Tea, Baseball, and KHHHAAAANNNN

His login must have remained active because he forgot to log out after his previous self-destruct attempt.

I mean, this is actually a logical answer assuming the Enterprise computer caches this stuff and never dumps it.

Except...the Enterprise had been taken over by Bynars....and the computers had been taken over and the memory dumped..(or something like that I didn't catch the full episode)

lol I'm not nitpicking it was just something funny I saw
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Bynars one makes a ton of sense. They were literally doing a computer upgrade on an empty ship and are a species that can telepathically link up with computers.

Other ones are...hey, we just locked you out of command functions because that's the plot. Some of these are okay, I guess Data probably could do this by himself. Others are...really?

Quark is also big on using his isolinear rods in the first two seasons of DS9 to do some light stuff, mainly disabling security sensors in key areas and light intel work
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Yeah, the bad security in Star Trek is basically just to keep the plots moving. I do wish they showed some more basic infosec practices, but that'd require writers who know what the hell they're doing.

But that's just the weird thing about sci-fi. Utterly mundane stuff is done badly, but meanwhile if you look at Siri and Cortana and Alexa the AI of the shipboard communications systems (to say nothing of the universal translator) are more magical than the damn transporter.
 
lol the universal translator is such an after thought, everyone just magically understands each other always except for the few times it's convenient for the plot,

I liked that Enterprise kinda dealt with not having one working as well as the TNG and beyond ones but then they gave Sato magic linguistic powers :/
 
oh wow, this thread goes back a while. I think I remember its creation, yet I completely forgot about it.

Anyway, I watched the TOS movies and reboots a while ago, and having recently finished TOS, which is really the one show I never watched. It was a lot more fun than I expected, and to a degree more daring for its time than I believed. However, the constant use of 'love' and Kirk kiss-assaulting almost every woman he sees, from woman-A to woman-Z, does get a little on the nerves. City On The Edge Of Forever is legit the best singular episode though, but I think Balance Of Terror is the better and more important to the franchise. The Borg would not have been introduced (implied) at the end of TNG's first season were it not for Balance Of Terror laying the groundwork for it.

But while watching certainly explains a lot of thing in the reboot movies, the one thing they missed is the part that actually mattered, which is of course emancipation and feminism. Most obvious is the inclusion of Chekov in season 2, a Russian character at the height of the (then) cold war, which is a good way of getting the point across that someday we'll have our shit figured out.

The most important aspect of Star Trek in how it differs from other space show however, is the continuously reinforced aspect of due process. Logs are made, reports are signed, reading are taken, evidence is collected for the sake of a fair trial... you'd wish real people were that thorough too. That, as I see it, is the real difference between Star Trek and everybody else.

Currently proceeding onwards with The Animated Series.
 
oh wow, this thread goes back a while. I think I remember its creation, yet I completely forgot about it.

Anyway, I watched the TOS movies and reboots a while ago, and having recently finished TOS, which is really the one show I never watched. It was a lot more fun than I expected, and to a degree more daring for its time than I believed. However, the constant use of 'love' and Kirk kiss-assaulting almost every woman he sees, from woman-A to woman-Z, does get a little on the nerves. City On The Edge Of Forever is legit the best singular episode though, but I think Balance Of Terror is the better and more important to the franchise. The Borg would not have been introduced (implied) at the end of TNG's first season were it not for Balance Of Terror laying the groundwork for it.

But while watching certainly explains a lot of thing in the reboot movies, the one thing they missed is the part that actually mattered, which is of course emancipation and feminism. Most obvious is the inclusion of Chekov in season 2, a Russian character at the height of the (then) cold war, which is a good way of getting the point across that someday we'll have our shit figured out.

The most important aspect of Star Trek in how it differs from other space show however, is the continuously reinforced aspect of due process. Logs are made, reports are signed, reading are taken, evidence is collected for the sake of a fair trial... you'd wish real people were that thorough too. That, as I see it, is the real difference between Star Trek and everybody else.

Currently proceeding onwards with The Animated Series.


Have you seen TAS before? If not you're in for a trip lol I really enjoyed it
 
Have you seen TAS before? If not you're in for a trip lol I really enjoyed it

I haven't, no. It seems, just by the second episode alone, that the reboots may have taken more from TAS than from TOS in terms of references. The second episode is basically reproduced verbatim as Spock's backstory in the 2009 movie.

Also, I forgot to mention that due to watching TOS I know finally know what Gazorpazorp in Rick & Morty is a parody of (Spock's Brain, with the Morg and Eymorg).
(and The Trouble With Tribbles has that amazing fight sequence, and is charming without ever using aggression. It's a shame there aren't more episodes like it in the franchise)
 
TNG and Voyager (god especially Voyager) have every tom dick and harry hack the shit out of the computer. Even relative primitives like the Kazon can do it in a few days with the help of one gifted Cardassian spy.

And yet the chief engineer can't keep the warp core ejector, the single most important safety feature on the ship, from failing all the damn time.

Court-martial Geordi
 
I haven't, no. It seems, just by the second episode alone, that the reboots may have taken more from TAS than from TOS in terms of references. The second episode is basically reproduced verbatim as Spock's backstory in the 2009 movie.

Also, I forgot to mention that due to watching TOS I know finally know what Gazorpazorp in Rick & Morty is a parody of (Spock's Brain, with the Morg and Eymorg).
(and The Trouble With Tribbles has that amazing fight sequence, and is charming without ever using aggression. It's a shame there aren't more episodes like it in the franchise)

Oh yeah they did take some cues from TAS, it's kind of a good thing they generally ignore it though because they do a lot of crazy stuff.

Also after watching TOS I got a lot more jokes from Futurama, I was already pretty familiar with the more popular pop-culture star trek references but specifically the Star Trek episode where Fry finds the missing tapes is so much better after watching TOS
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
The HD remasters make it really easy to get into TOS. They really did a good job amping up the colors and inserting in tasteful CGI...most of the time. Sometimes it's awful or the practical effect was so bad they couldn't fix anything.

TOS leans on the hey, the universe is so big we're bound to run into ten alternate earths thing and the last season is on the whole pretty weak but I love watching it.


I've fallen into a weird order watching Trek lately. Every few years I get convinced or convince myself to watch all of it and the order goes:

Voyager or Enterprise
then the other one
DS9
TOS
TNG

I've seen TNG enough that I always save it for last. I've seen DS9 the second most...but always watch it third. Been like this since they first became readily available on streaming services and something I do every 2/3 years. Might throw in TAS, which I've only seen in reruns as a very small child. It would go naturally enough after TOS.
 
I watched in a weird order

TNG
DS9
TOS
Enterprise
Voyager/TAS

I started with TNG since it was the most popular one and I figured if I was going to like Star Trek I would have to watch the best first to see how good it could be.

Then I just went on in terms of popularity/quality and I put Enterprise first since I thought it would connect more with TOS (it did not lol)
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
I watched in a weird order

TNG
DS9
TOS
Enterprise
Voyager/TAS

I started with TNG since it was the most popular one and I figured if I was going to like Star Trek I would have to watch the best first to see how good it could be.

Then I just went on in terms of popularity/quality and I put Enterprise first since I thought it would connect more with TOS (it did not lol)

It tries! Sometimes! If it had had another season we probably would have gotten around to the Romulan war which is...a neat footnote to be retconned.
 
It tries! Sometimes! If it had had another season we probably would have gotten around to the Romulan war which is...a neat footnote to be retconned.

lol yeah that would have been fun especially since it had finally found it's footing. I hope we eventually get a series that takes place in the 100 year gap of Ent and TOS or TOS and TNG....one day....
 
There was definitely a better way of making Enterprise. For instance instead of each small step it could have been a greatest hits of Star Trek pre history.

Kinda like the Rise of the Federation books.
 

Jackpot

Banned
Enterprise as a prequel was awful. There are ways to make small-scale things seem much more impressive by adding grounding.

Like how The Expanse makes a simple spacewalk way more exciting than any fancy EVA stuff from Trek just because it feels more real. Or to get further off track, how in Lost, Locke throwing a few basic punches against Charlie felt way more badass than a whole film of dodgy OTT wire-jump martial arts.

Enterprise used the exact same style as Voyager, except every episode felt like a stranded shuttlecraft episode. Sensors or weapons would immediately go down or have little effect.
 
Enterprise as a prequel was awful. There are ways to make small-scale things seem much more impressive by adding grounding.

Enterprise used the exact same style as Voyager, except every episode felt like a stranded shuttlecraft episode. Sensors or weapons would immediately go down or have little effect.

We are on exactly the same page.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Actually that reminds me of one thing I do think Enterprise should be praised for. Extensive use of space suits in appropriate environments. The other Star Trek shows were frankly too cheap to do it much if at all.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Actually that reminds me of one thing I do think Enterprise should be praised for. Extensive use of space suits in appropriate environments. The other Star Trek shows were frankly too cheap to do it much if at all.

Also, they had that foam stuff to seal up spacesuits, which was tech that apparently got forgotten for hundreds of years.
 

Morts

Member
TAS had those life belts that just put a force field around them lol

Shit, I remember some Voyager novel when I was a kid where the ship didn't have enough room for refugees so they pumped the area inside the shields with atmosphere. Ever since I've been annoyed that Star Trek doesn't have more zero g stuff in it.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Shit, I remember some Voyager novel when I was a kid where the ship didn't have enough room for refugees so they pumped the area inside the shields with atmosphere. Ever since I've been annoyed that Star Trek doesn't have more zero g stuff in it.

It'd certainly be a lot easier to do now, although it's still more expensive than the alternatives. I'd like severe damage to the ship to occasionally mess with the gravity systems, though. Nothing as crazy as the JJverse stuff, just an acknowledgement that it's a system that could be damaged like any other, which basically hasn't happened since STVI.
 

Morts

Member
It'd certainly be a lot easier to do now, although it's still more expensive than the alternatives. I'd like severe damage to the ship to occasionally mess with the gravity systems, though. Nothing as crazy as the JJverse stuff, just an acknowledgement that it's a system that could be damaged like any other, which basically hasn't happened since STVI.

I think there was some zero g in the Enterprise pilot, but other than that and STVI I can't think of anything. The Expanse is really good for it though.
 
And done with TAS. That was actually rather good as a continuation of Star Trek while allowing for some weirder stuff. I can't imagine what growing up on this as a 'saturday morning cartoon' must have been like.

I will say the writer of the Mudd episodes also showed the problem of using other culture's histories as a basis for a story with 'The Jihad' while at the same time clearly using The Fellowship Of The Ring. Like, ho boy is that an explosive -no grievance intended- combination for becoming dated in an awkward manner. The word 'jihad' get weird in rewatching Dune too, btw.
And of course that idea that civilizations and evolution of intelligence start with the Ancient Greeks. I am glad that at least that myth of Eurocentrism is quickly dying, at least among academics and interested skeptics.
(both are products of the earlier hominids, going back as far as five million years)

But then that was the 60s and 70s. No doubt rewatching TNG will fare a little better on that end, though not quite as much as you might hope for or expect with our current rate of cultural change in mind. Be glad it's a bit faster these days.
 

Meowster

Member
Body and Soul was a delightful episode. The Doctor and Seven continue to be two of my favorite characters. This whole start to Season 7 has been pretty great in general, for the most part.
 

DrForester

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Rewatching Classic Star Trek on Netflix and I had no idea Arena and Space Seed were so close together and in the first season! Khan is immense in Space Seed, his abusive behaviour is pretty chilling.
 

Man God

Non-Canon Member
Rewatching Classic Star Trek on Netflix and I had no idea Arena and Space Seed were so close together and in the first season! Khan is immense in Space Seed, his abusive behaviour is pretty chilling.

Season one has most of the best stuff in it...and the rest of it is in season two. Season three isn't among the the worst seasons spanning all trek shows but man, it's average quality is among the lowest.
 
I've never really watched TOS in order, it's always been an episode here and episode there. It's been OK, so far, but I think I could easily have done without and just kept what I knew from the episodes I saw and the movies.

I'm sort of dreading those early seasons of TNG, I've tried several times to watch them, but they're so boring.
 

Fuchsdh

Member
Just realized playing ReCore that the father figure in the game is voiced by Connor Trinneer. Nice to see him getting work; I always got annoyed at the people who basically seemed to hate Trip solely because he had a southern accent.
 
Yeah, I must have been riding some nostalgia train that night when I wrote it like that. It's as bad if not worse than the first two seasons of TNG.

I don't know enough about TOS to know which season it was from, but this summer I watched maybe 20 minutes of an episode and it was one of the worst things I've ever watched, period. I don't watch much network TV though.

It was set on a planet that was sort of... like Revolutionary Virginia if it had been run by a religious cult in creepy robes. Sulu got kidnapped, I think, and the usual investigation followed.
 

Meowster

Member
Just finished Voyager. I'm really glad I took the time to go through the series. While there were quite a lot of stinkers mixed in with the great episodes, I thought it was worth it getting to see the crew come together and see the development of The Doctor/Seven of Nine especially. Captain Janeway is so erratic and all over the place but I can't help but love her despite that and was so happy to see her come through in the end. Some episodes in this last season really made me let out a cry or two.. like the one where B'Elanna has her crisis with her baby and heritage or the one where Neelix meets more of kind. Gonna start Deep Space Nine for the first time in a day or two.

Since the ending was so vague, I am just going to pretend that the Chakotay/Seven thing never happened and she and the Doctor ended up together somehow. I absolutely hated their random pairing lol.
 

B.K.

Member
I've been watching some Next Genration on BBC America today and I realized that this year is the series' 30th anniversary. I looked it up and Wikipedia says Encounter at Farpoint premiered on September 28, 1987. We're three weeks away from Star Trek: The Next Generation being 30 years old. I feel old now.
 

Pluto

Member
I've been watching some Next Genration on BBC America today and I realized that this year is the series' 30th anniversary. I looked it up and Wikipedia says Encounter at Farpoint premiered on September 28, 1987. We're three weeks away from Star Trek: The Next Generation being 30 years old. I feel old now.
What's worse, when TNG started TOS was only 21 years old. Back then a 20 year old series felt ancient, now a 30 year old series is my childhood and a 20 year old series feels like it was yesterday.
 

DrForester

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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Too bad Peter Capaldi couldn't have been used in another role, but I guess there wouldn't really be anyone else he could have been.
 
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