The_Shepherd
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Does that include Thursday previews? Either way that doesn't sound good.
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Does that include Thursday previews? Either way that doesn't sound good.
MrPink93485
Member
It is disastrous. In terms of previews to OD ratio, you're in the company of 100m+ OW super hero films, the most frontloaded of its kind (opening weekend at least)
Wow even less than Deadline's already meager prediction. This thing isn't even going to break 30 million on OW good lord.
I guess it didn't matter how good it was or wasn't. Audiences weren't interested.
True Savior
Member
Previews were 27,5% of that number. Sounds kinda huge for a film like this.
Chezzymann
Member
Pacing was great. I liked it's slow methodical pace. Wasn't afraid to have extra scenes that helped elevate the movie like all the Joe/joi stuff
Nightwing123
Member
Blade Runner 2049 seems to be a very front-loaded film. It might get a mid 20 opening (exactly 30 if I'm being super optimistic).
I'm probably going to see it next weekend.
I'm probably going to see it next weekend.
MrPink93485
Member
I don't think pace is what's killing the film right now.
The interest was never really there.
The interest was never really there.
I think general audiences just dont like cyberpunk.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Screw the dumbass mainstream audiences.. God forbid a movie be deliberate and slow-paced which focuses on themes and symbolism instead of over the top mindless explosions.
2hr44m isn't even that bad. I look at it as getting your money's worth. Hell I grew up with Bollywood movies which are over 3hrs so this wasn't even that bad. But I forgot the average moviegoer can't be expected to pay attention for more than an hour before they start losing interest.
I know not all critical successes turn out to be commercial successes but this is just depressing.
Primethius
Banned
Never really saw much of a buzz with Blade Runner and I don't think the trailers really did much in that regard either.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
See you in 35 years, Blade Runner 2084.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
The most we can hope for is decent legs through solid word of mouth.
Most who've seen it are praising it.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Yeah, hard sci-fi struggles at the BO unless you add a ton of action/suspense to keep general audiences engaged.
Jawmuncher
Member
I don't think it's a surprise to see Blade Runner lower than expected even with the good reviews. People kept bringing up Mad Max: Fury Road and I just kept wondering why. The marketing for both were extremely different and blade runner made sure to let people know "this isn't really an action movie". That coupled with the run-time which I do think is playing a factor has people not really wanting to bother. I think it's sort of a case where the general audiences at the moment are more in the mood for fun than something serious and slow paced.
BR has quite a bit of action and a ton of suspense. I think people just arent giving it a chance/marketing.
I think people might not have been interested in watching a film about a bleak, depressing, dystopian future.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Human Revolution did alright though. MD simply took way too long to come out and didn't look like a substantial enough sequel for the time it took.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Im not sure general audiences know/care as much about Bladerunner as many of us on the Internet think. Its sort of like the proto-Scott Pilgrim.
Edit:
This is a good point
Edit:
This is a good point
Puck Beaverton
Banned
RIP Dune
Sweeney Tom
Banned
I'm glad I never thought Dune was happening
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Gentleman Jack
Member
Not really. Hans Zimmer hatefully earfucking you for 10 minutes at a time isn't suspense and there's 3 fights and one car chase that I can remember over the 2h44m runtime.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I find it weird anyone on the interet thought the general audience cared about Bladerunner. It bombed in it's initial release and is the definition of a cult classic. Also most of it's trailers have been poor.
It is a film that by all rights should have been a lower budget flick for it's core audience. This is by all accounts another Valerian. A film that exists because the director wanted it to exist and said fuck it, to it's financial feasibility.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
BR was always a niche thing. Anecdotally, many sci-fi aficionados that I know just hate the original because they think it's too slow.
Bond would be the worst timeline. He's too good for that franchise. It's just the Broccoli show anyway, better suited for journeymen filmmakers. And I don't mean this as an insult.
I don't think one semi-bomb (that no one expected to perform well) is enough to torpedoe Dune completely. Villeneuve has plenty of momentum. Many directors with lesser filmographies have survived way worse than this and still got expensive projects greenlit. But to be fair, I don't see a Villeneuve version of Dune ever making any money at all. If it was a tv miniseries, then maybe.
Bond would be the worst timeline. He's too good for that franchise. It's just the Broccoli show anyway, better suited for journeymen filmmakers. And I don't mean this as an insult.
I don't think one semi-bomb (that no one expected to perform well) is enough to torpedoe Dune completely. Villeneuve has plenty of momentum. Many directors with lesser filmographies have survived way worse than this and still got expensive projects greenlit. But to be fair, I don't see a Villeneuve version of Dune ever making any money at all. If it was a tv miniseries, then maybe.
Youre forgetting a few moments but I dont want to spoiler
I would say runtime and pacing are definitely issues. I'm less inclined to believe it's a "general audiences just don't like cyberpunk" thing so much as 2049's slow-moving approach and minimized focus on action not being something that appeals to mainstream viewers. The original BR was like that too, but while that ran for just under two hours, this is nearly three when attention spans are already more limited than they used to be decades ago.
I agree with the assessment that sci-fi films, not necessarily just hard sci-fi, tend to have a more difficult time at the box office without an action/suspense focus.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2013&wknd=38&p=.htm
Wow, is BR2049 going to have a lower opening weekend than Prisoners?!
Wow, is BR2049 going to have a lower opening weekend than Prisoners?!
Lights and Waves
Member
BR's problems:
1. The marketing was so vague. I know it was to keep the plot lines a secret, but the trailers really tell you nothing about the film.
2. The runtime. I know plenty of people who will not see a movie this long. It also means fewer showings since the movie is so long.
3. The first film is a cult classic. Which means not many people have seen it, even to this day. Maybe they should have put it up on Netflix this past month or two?
Regardless, I fucking loved it.
1. The marketing was so vague. I know it was to keep the plot lines a secret, but the trailers really tell you nothing about the film.
2. The runtime. I know plenty of people who will not see a movie this long. It also means fewer showings since the movie is so long.
3. The first film is a cult classic. Which means not many people have seen it, even to this day. Maybe they should have put it up on Netflix this past month or two?
Regardless, I fucking loved it.
Never cared for Dune, so no loss there.
But while Dune still has a chance, Cleopatra is dead.
The issue with 2049 is being a 185mil budget film. It makes zero fucking sense. Not because it's long( ROTK, Titanic, Avatar, and almost all the highest grossing films are 2hours+ with many hitting 2 and a half or more) or a slow film. Its a bleak emotional ride that is not a crowd pleaser. Logan is the closest example for this year I can give, but that has 18 years of history plus a budget that is half it. The budget should have been 100mil and for them to make it work some how.
But while Dune still has a chance, Cleopatra is dead.
The issue with 2049 is being a 185mil budget film. It makes zero fucking sense. Not because it's long( ROTK, Titanic, Avatar, and almost all the highest grossing films are 2hours+ with many hitting 2 and a half or more) or a slow film. Its a bleak emotional ride that is not a crowd pleaser. Logan is the closest example for this year I can give, but that has 18 years of history plus a budget that is half it. The budget should have been 100mil and for them to make it work some how.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Here my thing. The opening scene is fantastic in terms of setup, suspense, and payoff. Everything else that follows it fails to live up to its promise because of how long it takes for anything to happen.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Out of curiosity, is this distaste for Dune based upon the films or the books?
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Huh. Jackman vs Gosling starpower?
I feel it is the opposite. Real cyberpunk is a very relatable premise, so much so that you should feel bothered by it. It highlights the uncomfortable things about the world, the negative trends of society, and the worst parts of all of us inside. Our insecurities, our fears, our doubts, and then it offers no answers. That's what cyberpunk does. It's not that people don't relate to it, it's that most people don't want that as their entertainment.
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
Easier to relate to invincible superheroes in colorful spandexes from other planets nowadays.
Lights and Waves
Member
If you don't understand why people can relate to superheroes, then I don't know what to tell you buddy. Critical thinking skills. Use 'em.
First off. It's a sequel to a cult classic. And it seems like general audiences aren't all that hype for Cyberpunk.
Lastly the trailers really didn't do anything for me. It looked cool, but I didn't know anything else.
This is something I'll probably buy in a boxset with the first one just to watch them both.
Lastly the trailers really didn't do anything for me. It looked cool, but I didn't know anything else.
This is something I'll probably buy in a boxset with the first one just to watch them both.
Both, but to be fair, I was similar to Star Trek up in till last year. Beyond opened me up to it(when people said it was a call back), and something about the OG series finally clicked. Where now, I'm even going through DS9 and loving it. TNG didn't click though.