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[Maximo]

https://www.facebook.com/skylaschaefer/posts/1600733616646101

Search not working so hopefully there is not a thread on this but yeah pretty disgusting stuff.

So for those of you who have seen the horrible flyers going around campus at Cleveland State, this is the email that CSU just sent out I'm response to it. This is their disgrace of a response. Seriously President Berkman? What a disaster. So this organizations free speech is more important than our lives? It is okay to take a stand against someone's speech when it is literally telling students to kill themselves! How about you stand up for your LGBTQ+ students?! This should not be tolerated. We matter more than this organizations bullshit opinion. I will be emailing him tomorrow and stating my opinion and I hope others will join me. If we collectively speak out they will (hopefully) take action.

Update** the fliers posted by this group also contained images of white supremacy not included in this post. To the people of color who attend CSU please know we stand up with you. We will not tolerate bigots at our school.

 

[timetokill]

W...
T......F......

 

[xxracerxx]

Fucking awful.

Look at that logo...you just know it is tied to white supremacy just by looking at it.

 

[Shaanyboi]

Holy fucking shit

 

[excelsiorlef]

Controversial issues where opinion is divided: such as should LGBT people remain alive.


Disgraceful.

 

[jasminlovesyoux]

I'm sick of the first amendment being used as an excuse to allow hate speech. This is so wrong.

 

[Eusis]

Someone needs to explain to that president why you can't tolerate the intolerant if you truly want tolerance.

Or just boot his stupid ass out.

 

[Ombra]

When "hate speech" stops being protected by the first amendment so many of these edgy provocateurs will fade away. This Berkman fellow is an asshat though I doubt he actually "read" the flier.

 

[JettDash]

Tolerating fascist bigots. What could ever go wrong?

 

[Decado]

Wow. Holy shit. Higher learning my ass.

 

[Trace]

"We will ensure free speech so that all voices may be heard."

Why? Why are voices like this deserving of being heard?

 

[Sinfamy]

Controversial issues where opinion is divided: such as should LGBT people remain alive.


Disgraceful.

Yea... This really isn't a battle of ideas situation.

 

[Ryouji Gunblade]

Not hiding the fascist part either.

It's almost as if tolerating the intolerant only leads to more intolerance. Who would've thought?

 

[TheOddOne]

"Please, go kill yourself."

"It's free speech."

"Civil discourse."

 

[HiiiLife]

What the hell is wrong with people

 

[Not]

First amendment being used to protect the powerful again, and no one else. This is clearly a tangible threat of violence. Manslaughter charges have come from urging suicide.

 

[Korigama]

Yeah, sure, "civil" discourse...

 

[excelsiorlef]

"Ooops sorry i forgot to mention saying LGBT should kill themselves is bad, it is but you know free speech so yeah we love you LGBT people but not enough to protect you from fliers wishing your death. "

 

[xxracerxx]

I bet if someone put up fliers that called for the faculty and staff to kill themselves they would be dealt with promptly.

 

[Seesaw15]

Freeze peach.

 

[Oberon]

I am pretty sure that telling certain people to kill themselves is not a topic in which you can "Agree to disagree". This doesn't even seem like a case of people "not crossing the line of legality" and playing the systeme.
They even wrote fascism on there!

 

[DrKelpo]

...and to promote a civil discourse where educational growth is the desired result.

yeah, people ... we can all learn and profit from this.



Disgusting.

 

[Future]

“I have a right to an opinion!”

Always spoken after saying the most racist / sexist or otherwise fucked up shit ever

 

[Imperial Bishop]

This makes me want to vomit.

 

[Laiza]

So I should consider suicide because assholes like you (the guys who made this poster) keep making LGBT people want to commit suicide?

How about you guys go first, yeah? That's something that would definitely make the world a better place, at the very least.

 

[BlackDoomShadow]

Another day where I sure am glad we have this First Amendment that seems to only protect racists and bigots. All those other countries with hate speech laws sure are ungovernable hellholes!

 

[Not]

President Berkman may be retiring a year early

 

[Dryk]

I bet if someone put up fliers that called for the faculty and staff to kill themselves they would be dealt with promptly.

I wonder what would happen if someone made an edit that did that and started distributing them.

 

[Shadow Puppetry]

Must be heard? Ugh.

 

[Suikoguy]

I bet if someone put up fliers that called for the faculty and staff to kill themselves they would be dealt with promptly.

Anybody nearby?

That sounds like a great idea.

It's just free speech right?
Where is the line Berkman?

If telling people to kill themselves is fine, I don't see why posters telling staff and faculty to kill themselves is over the line.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

What the fuck? That is appalling.

I guess I'm stupid for being shocked?

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

"Free speech" is such a fucking cop out for hate crime.

 

[kitsunelaine]

Everyone who dismisses this shit as an act of free speech is a nazi enabler. Period.

 

[Derwind]

They're explicity advocating harm for students, at what point is speech no longer free but has a cost attached.

Like if you're advocating for the death of your fellow students, that should cost you your enrollment.

Fuck this shit.

 

[Fades]

Continuing to ensure that "all voices are heard"? Including the voices urging our brothers and sisters to commit suicide? No. That's fucked up. That should not stand. For even a second. Remove the fliers, expel the perpetrators, and take any legal recourse that may be applicable. THAT'S what should be done. Don't give me any of this "free speech" bullshit.

 

[Misha]

That's a threat... not even remotely veiled...

Its not "I think you're probably going to hell someday" or "I think what you're doing is gross" (which are both horrible and nonsensical opinions) its "I want you dead"

 

[Ponn]

"Please, go kill yourself."

"It's free speech."

"Civil discourse."

Even fucking grade schools know that is bullying and most have zero tolerance policies in place for it.

 

[Heckler456]

If this isn't some kind of gross misunderstanding, or someone else sending out that e-mail... Then what in the holy fuck. There is no way that you look at that poster and don't recognize that as hate speech.

 

[JettDash]

If I went to that school, I would go around putting up posters saying something to the effect that fascists are sub human so it shouldn't count as murder to kill them.

 

[SoulUnison]

Wow, so people are just wearing "fascist" as some kind of twisted badge of honor, now?

 

[Ethelwulf]

Ahh I see... Freedom is more important.

 

[Miles X]

Someone should (not really) make fliers saying it's ok to kill college presidents around the country. I wonder what his response would be then.

 

[StrategyFan]

wtf is fascist solutions ?

 

[psynergylover]

it's amazing that this guy tries commendate boths side: we are accepting of all people but our first amendment also welcomes all including hate speech...we are truly entering the dark ages here....



like how is supporting this good for your school?!?!?

 

[Choppasmith]

"Ooops sorry i forgot to mention saying LGBT should kill themselves is bad, it is but you know free speech so yeah we love you LGBT people but not enough to protect you from fliers wishing your death. "

Pretty much. How is such blatant hate speech allowed? It's mind boggling!

 

[SoulUnison]

This kind of stuff popping up in schools and being specifically allowed because "free speech."
The President speaking to anti-LGBT groups and promising them their "voices will be heard."

I mean, this isn't "free speech." It's not designed to inform or educate.
"Follow your Fellow Faggots" isn't pointing out the statistics, it's flat-out saying "kill yourselves, too."
It's a threat.

Is anyone else starting to feel, like, legitimately scared?
Huh... I guess this is actually kind of a form of terrorism?

wtf is fascist solutions ?

The next generation of the "final solution," apparently.

 

[PanSexual_Peacock]

Everyday I'm reminded that the First Amendment probably needs some revision.

 

[EGM1966]

Kind of ironic how badly US handles free speech given the PR it’s the home if it.

Terrible this is effectively sanctioned as part of that miss-handling.

Those Americans who oppose this need to find a way to change the culture to actually get with the times and stop taklking an out of date constitution as untouchable. If you can’t US is never escaping the ill effects of the first/second amendments IMHO.

I’ll also note if you can’t then US is hardly the land of the free either if you can’t even change your own constitution.

 

[Moonkid]

Cannot imagine going to a university that espouses such attitudes and fosters a toxic environment.

 

[Hypron]

What the fuck? What kind of a shitty university is that.

My university specifically says this on posters all around campus and I assume any self respecting university would have something similar:

Zero tolerance for discrimination

Unacceptable discrimination, including racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, homophobia and transphobia, has no place in our University.