ShadowWolf712
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I'm just trying to learn more about the PS5 for now. It's a very unconventional machine and it fascinates me.
Besides, I do need to pass the time until the games showcase.
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(*) Ali Salehi, a rendering engineer at Crytek contrasts the next Gen consoles in interview (Up: Tweets/Article removed)
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Besides, I do need to pass the time until the games showcase.
synchronicity
Gold Member
I get being interested in hardware, but that's not who I'm talking to.
I'm talking about those who are looking for proof that their console is "better" and are fighting tooth and nail to defend it.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
I'm over this shit, you guys are going to get laughed off this forum in the end. Don't say you were not warned heavily.
Jon Neu
Banned
Pretty sure that's bullshit, his twitter feed is filled with him holding PS4 games on his hands.
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ShadowWolf712
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Fanboys are gonna fanboy. Not much else to say, really.
ShadowWolf712
Member
Pray tell, what am I going to get laughed off this forum about?
ShadowWolf712
Member
Can someone screenshot and post it, please? I keep hearing this, yet the sole evidence anyone's actually posted is him showing interest in the PS5 reveal and praising MGS4 and TLOU II. If this is true, It'd inform some of this.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Fanboys are gonna fanboy. Not much else to say, really.
The irony...my goodness
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Why did I read this in Bruce Buffers voice:
ITSSSSSSSSSSS TIMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
"Introducing first FIGHTINGGGG out of the green corner, from the United States of America from MS world wide, holding a record of zero wins and three losses, boasting at 13 TERAFLOPS the CHALLENNNNGERRRRRR, XBOX "Ive got a plan" SERIESSSSSS XXXXXXXXXXXX"
"Now introducing the champion, FIGHTINGGGGG out of the blue corner. Reigning from Tokyo, Japan. Holding a console record of four wins and zero losses. Holding the fastest SSD at this time. THE REIGNING, DEFENDINGGGG, UNDISPUTEDDDDDDD KING OF CONSOLES, The SONNNYYYY "I've got 5 on it" Playstationnnnnnn FIVVVVVEEEEEEEEEE!
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CJY
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Minor differences means a lot to me. Especially in VR where I'm very sensitive and even a single frame drop or bad framepacing can make me feel sickness.
This is why the only console that supports VR, and is expressly engineered for rock-solid, consistent game execution is important and every frame matters.
The comparison between XSX and PS5 isn't nearly as interesting. There is no comparison really. XSX just has a bit more Flops, but it's philosophy is stuck squarely in the realm of PC-centrism.
End of the day, it's all about the games, but it's the hardware that enables the games, and how they're set up has obvious, tangible influence on how a game performs.
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llien
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2070 super is either on par, or even slower than 2080 super, if you manage to bottleneck the latter.*
*while 2070s is in PS5 and 2080s is in MS SeX.
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ShadowWolf712
Member
Where am I fanboying, exactly?
Disco_
Member
So just like every current AMD GPU out there?
Jon Neu
Banned
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
The bottom line is a questionable interview triumphed as some Pillar of Truth, some “smoking gun,” and incredulous statements/logic were being completely glossed over by people so desperate to see PS5 get some leg up.
Bullshit should get called out, regardless of system/brand/whatever.
For me this isn’t an Xbox vs Playstation issue, its a “don’t tell me a weaker GPU is better than a stronger GPU” issue. The fanboying is rampant everywhere and turning into delusion
ShadowWolf712
Member
So he does own a PS4. OK. Not sure that makes him a fanboy but people saying he only has an Xbox are deffo wrong.
And I could, but having a record in the thread is sort of the point.
Elog
Member
This thread is really interesting - but more emotions than rational thought 
Personally, I am not sure which machine that will perform the best in reality. Clear is that the superficial numbers benefit Xbox. However, we all know that Tflops is very far from everything for a smooth experience, which is why I find Cerny's interview very interesting. And I sincerely hope that the new Xbox does not run windows light for compatibility reasons - that will cause unwanted limitations for Xbox owners.
Cerny has so far been a bit of magician with the PS4 so while I was certain that Xbox would have the advantage when I read the initial news I am far from certain now.
Ps. Those that state that CUs is everything do not fully understand rendering/ graphics. Cerny and the interview here makes a lot of valid points. Come later this year we will eventually see when we can compare the same game on both machines. DF will most likely do a proper forensic examination!
Personally, I am not sure which machine that will perform the best in reality. Clear is that the superficial numbers benefit Xbox. However, we all know that Tflops is very far from everything for a smooth experience, which is why I find Cerny's interview very interesting. And I sincerely hope that the new Xbox does not run windows light for compatibility reasons - that will cause unwanted limitations for Xbox owners.
Cerny has so far been a bit of magician with the PS4 so while I was certain that Xbox would have the advantage when I read the initial news I am far from certain now.
Ps. Those that state that CUs is everything do not fully understand rendering/ graphics. Cerny and the interview here makes a lot of valid points. Come later this year we will eventually see when we can compare the same game on both machines. DF will most likely do a proper forensic examination!
Agnostic2020
Member
He is saying that is his game .he was a part of it in crytek. Dont knownhow that was relevant though
On topic
Great. In cerny we trust haha
Agnostic2020
Member
You know he is saying he is proud of the game he has made at crytek lol wtf are you trying to portray here?
ShadowWolf712
Member
So that was just a game he worked on, then?
Agnostic2020
Member
Yea even at the bottom it shows publisher is crytek and he works there. He says my baby after long hours of work
fast_taker
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There is another thread that contadicts what this thread/developer implies. Which is the one to believe will remain a mystery until both consoles are released. It is weird though what the crytek dev says about ps5 being easier to develop because ms took the other way around with the xbox operating system belonging to the same ecosystem with windows. Wouldn't that be a pro and not a con when it comes to game development? Aren't game devs in favor of directx and the porting capabilities it provides when it comes to game development? What he says sounds a bit incoherent to me. Plus, when it comes to being biased in favor or against a console, how can a reader be sure of all the things said and presented in an interview? I am not implying anything, i am just wondering about the contradicting developer opinions out there.
Lastly when it comes to pc gaming for example we all know that a simple ssd (not to mention a nvme) with a high performance cpu/gpu is what the gamer needs to get the best gaming experience . It seems that some devs think the other way around these days which once again sounds weird to me.
Lastly when it comes to pc gaming for example we all know that a simple ssd (not to mention a nvme) with a high performance cpu/gpu is what the gamer needs to get the best gaming experience . It seems that some devs think the other way around these days which once again sounds weird to me.
ShadowWolf712
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That's certainly not the context it was presented in. Interesting.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I don't think its that unconventional really. Its just typical of Cerny's approach to take a largely familiar architecture then make specific optimizations for performance whilst staying out of the coder's way. In a word, its utilitarian.
Very good attitude to take imho, especially when going up against MS, who's technology and API's are inevitably going to be de-facto standards due to the sheer reach and historic dominance of their software offerings.
Kokoloko85
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Lol but but power of xbox power???
who gives a fuck, play your games.
Clearly one side of the console war cares about power and the other more the games.....
who gives a fuck, play your games.
Clearly one side of the console war cares about power and the other more the games.....
DynamiteCop!
Banned
The running logic (or lack thereof) around this place is quite simple, if you actually took hold of what people are saying here it would equate to the 2080 Super as being more capable of a GPU than the 2080 Ti because it's clocked considerably higher.
Completely throwing the bus size out the window, throwing the ROPs out the window, throwing the bandwidth out the window, throwing the TMU's out the window, throwing the shader cores out the window, throwing the SM's out the window (CU's), throwing the teraflops out the window.
That is the level of logic on display here, not one person on Earth would make that argument because it's just wrong, and yet here we are and they're doing exactly that. It's pure unadulterated delusion.
JareBear: Remastered
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Which side triumphed this interview as new proof of PS5s magic hidden power?
Cmon
Now it’s cool to pretend like “Xbox fans” are the only ones who care about the specs. What was the purpose of this thread, then?
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Agnostic2020
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Well you know fanboys with agenda
Gediminas
Banned
they created this game, he created this game. do you want to say that he can't own it or be proud of it?
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Do you believe that the PS5 GPU is more powerful than the XsX GPU?
Gudji
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Agnostic2020
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He won't respond . He was trying to push an agenda but it backfired lol
Agnostic2020
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I just don't understand what's so controversial here ? He is saying ps5 API is better at the moment and we knew this from Jason and matt . He also says xsx will have resolution advatage.
All he is saying is that ps5 can run at its theoretical maximum power more often than xsx can run at ots theoretical max which causes ps5 to punch above its weight and he explains why. Meaning xsx will have around lets say 10% resolution advatage rather than 18%. Is that such a big deal ?
All he is saying is that ps5 can run at its theoretical maximum power more often than xsx can run at ots theoretical max which causes ps5 to punch above its weight and he explains why. Meaning xsx will have around lets say 10% resolution advatage rather than 18%. Is that such a big deal ?
hyperbertha
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Don't let anyone tell you that the PS5's SSD won't make a difference either. Its a game changer. And I'm not talking about loading times or just first party benefits.
That's it. This is what made him a "Sony fanboy" or "Sony shill" to so many people here?
ShadowWolf712
Member
Sir, clearly you've forgotten that Tflops are, in context, everything.
sircaw
Banned
At the end of the day you only have yourself to blame for feeling bad. You came into threads always trying to shit all over Sony stuff, downplaying their system and basically calling Mark Cerny a liar.
I understand you want to lash out at Sony fans but the end of the day you should direct your criticism at Microsoft.
At the end of the day they had the chance to innovate but instead decided to go the extra Tflop slogan for their advertising department instead.
No one is disrupting Microsoft has more power, i have stated it, many have but your constant denial on what game developers are saying positive about the ps5 is tiresome.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Lets face it, all you have to offer is more CU's is better than less CU's because that count is a primary multiplier in the holy Tf number.
An over-reductive, over-simplified, brain-dead cartoon version of the reality.
Because lets face it, the entirety of your wisdom and insight is to throw more CU's at the problem!
DynamiteCop!
Banned
No one is downplaying anything, that's the delusion taking hold again. What's happening is not us downplaying anything related to the system, but people such as yourself and others completely unrealistically giving the PlayStation 5 GPU some magical leg up it simply doesn't have.
We're not tearing the system down, we're tearing you down, you're the problem not the hardware.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I mean PS5 might be more powerful, and I'd be happy with that.. but this guy sounds a bit like a fanboy TBH.
How does this make any damn sense?
The one with variable clocks, runs at max more than the one with static clocks?
I mean I know this guy is a “dev” but BS, is BS
Agnostic2020
Member
He never said ps5 is more powerful though. I saw the original transcript. He likes the philosophy of ps5 more than xsx but says xsx will jave resolution edge
Agnostic2020
Member
Its not about clocks . There are many variables needed for a console to hit the max theoretical teraflops .clock is one of them . Access to data, cleaning the data , bandwidth , speed of access to different data etc all cause the gpu to either work close to max or slow down so everything can catch up.
Gudji
Member
This. He even says XSX will push more pixels in some games, which is something we already knew.
ShadowWolf712
Member
If you didn't FUD over PS fairly frequently, I might be inclined to believe you.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
You think they would have learned after all their fake "insiders" and GitHub.
How's that 13.3 TF hype train doing these days?
Sure, but with all that said one of them is still “variable“ itself after all these variables. It literally can’t sustain its max in intense situations.
DynamiteCop!
Banned
I don't care what you believe, hardware exists agnostic of your beliefs.
You guys are basically trying to tell me right now that a 2080 Super is superior to a 2080 Ti, that's the level of nonsense that has encapsulated these discussion.
MadchesterManc
Member
Imagine having your jimmies rustled by a Crytek programmer giving their opinion on ease of development for the systems and somehow twisting what they said into something else to justify attacking them & their credibility.
What a time to be an Xbox fan.
What a time to be an Xbox fan.