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[yurqqa]

Is it just me or are these DF videos 1080p with youtube uglyness?

You can always support DF on Patreon and get the access to the high-quality videos download.

Though judging from these threads, most of the people will support DF on Wednesday just to unsubscribe on Friday when the next review will be published. And then next Tuesday they'll support DF wholeheartedly again.

It's just obvious from this video that John tries to be very careful with the wording as he gets a ton of shite ion the comments from saying the one of the console is performing 0,7% better,
There are lots of sad angry people out there.

 

[assurdum]

Those of you saying 120hz at practically 1080p resolutions that only 1% of the people who bought it can play at need to give your head a shake. The vast majority of the players on the market either don't have a 120hz tv or don't care, or prefer 60hz at full resolution/rt. Were talking 99% here.

I don't understand. So doesn't count if ps5 outperformed series X in some mode? Just counts when series X outperformed ps5 in selective scene at 60 fps? Because seems the perfect resume of the whole thread narrative about the series X "superiority".

 

[Jaguar Victory]

You can always support DF on Patreon and get the access to the high-quality videos download.

Though judging from these threads, most of the people will support DF on Wednesday just to unsubscribe on Friday when the next review will be published. And then next Tuesday they'll support DF wholeheartedly again.

It's just obvious from this video that John tries to be very careful with the wording as he gets a ton of shite ion the comments from saying the one of the console is performing 0,7% better,
There are lots of sad angry people out there.

I already pay YouTube premium for no ads and they advertise in the video with a sponsor. Now I need to pay them directly too?

 

[yurqqa]

Now I need to pay them directly too?

I also pay for the internet and when I order meals online I have to pay for them too.

It's UNFAIR !!!

 

[thelastword]

The XSX runs better in the mode which 95%+ of gamers will use and it feels better in 120hz mode if you have VRR. Overall a slight win.

I gotta say I'm impressed with the devs here, such a gorgeous game and it runs almost flawlessly.

With the frequency I've been seeing VRR mentioned of late in DF videos and on forums...It seems that every XBOX ships with a VRR TV...I should probably get in on this...

If Digtal foundry are MS shills then VG tech are the PlayStation version...except lower budget

Except stats don't shill, opinions do........

 

[MrFunSocks]

This is peak delusion. No wonder Alex Battlestar called you out on Twitter the other day.

Link? Would love to see it lol.

I just assume TLW is a joke account at this point, or at least an official sony account. I don't think there has ever been a post of his that doesn't sound like it was written by a Sony employee pretending to be an unbiased person.

 

[assurdum]

If Digtal foundry are MS shills then VG tech are the PlayStation version...except lower budget

You can't be serious. VGtech reported every details possible , he never supported Sony, he always pointed out multiplat difference in both side if he could, even when Xbox uses higher setting it's the only who spotted it, which is not totally in his competency .

 

[Jaguar Victory]

I also pay for the internet and when I order meals online I have to pay for them too.

It's UNFAIR !!!

Be a passive aggressive toddler. That's fine too. I made a comment that the videos look shit in 1080p. My point stands. I just won't watch any more of their content. You win.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

I also pay for the internet and when I order meals online I have to pay for them too.

It's UNFAIR !!!

Poor analogy. DF get a cut of the YT premium fee. Plus, they have an in-video ad which also brings them revenue. Not quite the same.

 

[longdi]

Wait, so some of you here are now championing Vgtech over DF? Who are the guys behind vgtech, why I have little impression of them?

 

[yurqqa]

Poor analogy. DF get a cut of the YT premium fee. Plus, they have an in-video ad which also brings them revenue. Not quite the same.

And you can watch their videos on Youtube with the quality Youtube provides.

If you want the videos as a separate files without YouTube compression artifacts, you can also obtain them (not through YouTube, but directly from DF), but you have to contribute to DF for the work they are doing.
Is it really unfair ?

You can also write an e-mail to YouTube about the poor quality of the videos and wait for them to do something about it. As a long-term strategy.

 

[THE DUCK]

I don't understand. So doesn't count if ps5 outperformed series X in some mode? Just counts when series X outperformed ps5 in selective scene at 60 fps? Because seems the perfect resume of the whole thread narrative about the series X "superiority".

Seems equally silly to base performance on a mode that most won't play in. Most players will play at 60hz with rt, therefore its clearly the more important on the 2 by a landslide.

 

[Neo_game]

This is probably the most competitive comparison so far. Unlike ACV and Dirt5

If Digtal foundry are MS shills then VG tech are the PlayStation version...except lower budget

What about Nxgamer then. lol. I hope he also make a video on it.

 

[assurdum]

Seems equally silly to base performance on a mode that most won't play in. Most players will play at 60hz with rt, therefore its clearly the more important on the 2 by a landslide.

Seems equally silly report VRR give an advantage on series X because most won't have a TV with VRR but obviously it's not in this case and we know why.

 

[longdi]

According to VG Tech, this drop is random on the PlayStation 5.

I wonder if DF did their tests before or after ps5 first patch?

I assume Vgtech tests was done earlier, I recall seeing them, so their ps5 is unpatched.

This could clue us on what 'stability' patch sony rolled out

 

[assurdum]

This is probably the most competitive comparison so far. Unlike ACV and Dirt5



What about Nxgamer then. lol. I hope he also make a video on it.

Really hope Nxgamer delight what's going on in RT mode on ps5.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I wonder if DF did their tests before or after ps5 first patch?

I assume Vgtech tests was done earlier, I recall seeing them, so their ps5 is unpatched.

This could clue us on what 'stability' patch sony rolled out

If a patch hurts FPS a future patch could also fix it.

 

[Traxtech]

I just played that same area and there was definitely no fps drops as im very prone to noticing them coming from a pc background.

Also in saying that, my house mate played this area in his xsx probably an hour or so after me and it was flawless on his end too

120 vrr on xsx is the real deal BTW, I'm jealous as a PS5 owner

 

[assurdum]

According to VG Tech, this drop is random on the PlayStation 5.

This guy is a godsend. I suspected such leaps on ps5 weren't "regular" at all. And obviously DF was unable to spot in because they are too focused to push the Xbox powerness narrative for such performance difference. Typical.

 

[MrFunSocks]

Seems equally silly report VRR give an advantage on series X because most won't have a TV with VRR but obviously it's not in this case and we know why.

Most playing at 120hz will likely have a VRR tv, in which case the xbox version will be the best version.

For those that don't have a 120hz tv, well the xbox version is the best at 60hz too.

 

[captainraincoat]

This is probably the most competitive comparison so far. Unlike ACV and Dirt5



What about Nxgamer then. lol. I hope he also make a video on it.

cant remember if it was NX game or VG tech that published 4k comparison videos to youtube....at 1080p only.......says it all really

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Most playing at 120hz will likely have a VRR tv, in which case the xbox version will be the best version.

For those that don't have a 120hz tv, well the xbox version is the best at 60hz too.

Playing games at 120 on a 60hz tv is still a smoother experience, especially if you have stuff like freesync/gsync. This idea that 120 isn't worth anyone's time is as annoying as the idea that most people don't have 120hz tvs, I got a 120hz TV for under 300 bucks dude. Framerate is always king especially in competitive modes.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

cant remember if it was NX game or VG tech that published 4k comparison videos to youtube....at 1080p only.......says it all really

Says what? That you don't even know who did it tells me something, sure.

 

[longdi]

If a patch hurts FPS a future patch could also fix it.

Depends on the patch purpose.
Was talking about sony firmware update here. Could it be because of the graphics artefacts being reported by ps5 users, sony sent a hotfix update. And that affected DF cod results vs vgtech pre-patch.

Can someone dm D dark10x which firmware his ps5 is on while doing this tests?

 

[MrFunSocks]

Of course team blue are waiting for NXGamer's "technical analysis" because DF didn't give the results they wanted lol. DF are far more qualified and go far more in depth along with having actual industry contacts to talk to about issues and performance. They just don't make 2 dozen pro sony videos per xbox video though, so they're "xbox shills" lol.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Depends on the patch purpose.
Was talking about sony firmware update here. Could it out because of the graphics artefacts being reported by ps5 users. And that affected DF cod results vs vgtech pre-patch.

Can someone dm @Dark1x which firmware his ps5 is on while doing this tests?

I thought we were talking a patch for the game in specific. Guess I'll need receipts.

 

[Warablo]

I am so confused, so Sony was supposedly winning in performance, now Series X is?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Of course are waiting for NXGamer's "technical analysis" because DF didn't give the results they wanted lol. DF are far more qualified and go far more in depth along with having actual industry contacts to talk to about issues and performance. They just don't make 2 dozen pro sony videos per xbox video though, so they're "xbox shills" lol.

The people throwing shade at DF are bad but you're no better with how you talk about NXGamer .

 

[assurdum]

I am so confused, so Sony was supposedly winning in performance, now Series X is?

Both hardware are too close to overtake in a single way. Sometimes ps5 could win other times series X . Anyway ps5 performance on RT mode has bizzarre issues. I have heard series X too has a sort of similar problem by some users .

 

[Neo_game]

cant remember if it was NX game or VG tech that published 4k comparison videos to youtube....at 1080p only.......says it all really

VG tech gives info on fps and resolution only and there is no commentary or gfx comparison

Really hope Nxgamer delight what's going on in RT mode on ps5.

I hope so. His ACV video was pretty good.

 

[assurdum]

The people throwing shade at DF are bad but you're no better with how you talk about NXGamer .

DF typically ignore performance issue on playstation hardware and it's all about to be less powerful, if someone yet are still in denial needs to recheck what VGtech has reported in his analysis about fps problem on ps5. At least him or NXgamer try to spot in more stuff in deep on playstation when such things happen, differently to DF.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Link? Would love to see it lol.

I just assume TLW is a joke account at this point, or at least an official sony account. I don't think there has ever been a post of his that doesn't sound like it was written by a Sony employee pretending to be an unbiased person.

Here you go.



And here's him confirming that he meant TLW.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Ok so I've played this game extensively on PS5 across every chapter multiple times(played on Veteran, so have died multiple times across major points like set piece moments). As John and Tom point out the PS5 version did to 40s for a brief few seconds and immediately recuperated during that internal shoot out set piece moment(the mission where Woods and Bell are sent to a russian powerplant type facility in the night). Also there's a side mission near mexico, this one dipped during the cinematic intro to gameplay transition. But upon restarting from checkpoint the frame rate no longer dipped. Also I have to say in these specific moments frame rate dips and it immediately recuperates back to 60fps in a second or two. Very solid offering on PS5.

 

[assurdum]

Here you go.



And here's him confirming that he meant TLW.

So?

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

Also I have to point out the initial Arash Kadivar in turkey airstrip sequence where Woods reloads and Bell cleans his knife, i didn't run into fps drop in this scene as seen in DF. may be it's a random thing? Also I played the game before the stability patch and after the stability patch

 

[assurdum]

Ok so I've played this game extensively on PS5 across every chapter multiple times(played on Veteran, so have died multiple times across major points like set piece moments). As John and Alex point out the PS5 version did to 40s for a brief few seconds and immediately recuperated during that internal shoot out set piece moment(the mission where Woods and Bell are sent to a russian powerplant type facility in the night). Also there's a side mission near mexico, this one dipped during the cinematic intro to gameplay transition. But upon restarting from checkpoint the frame rate no longer dipped. Also I have to say in these specific moments frame rate dips and it immediately recuperates back to 60fps in a second or two. Very solid offering on PS5.

It's not Alex. It's the other less known. And less competent if I can say. I'm not a fan of Dictator but I give the credit who merits. He is more parsimonious in his analysis and I suspect would be more capable to recognise bizzarre stuff in perfomance. This Tom, if I recall correctly, he is not new to be very approximative and in fact is reported such stuff as performance gap in ps5 (in John defence he seems just to supervise him, at least looking how talks to him in the video) ; the FPS spike seen in such situations smell more of missteps in the coding than hardware gap between the two console.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

It's not Alex. It's the other less known. And less competent if I can say. I'm not a fan of Dictator but I give the credit who merits. He is more parsimonious in his analysis and I suspect would be more capable to recognise bizzarre stuff in perfomance. This Tom, if I recall correctly, he is not new to be very approximative and in fact has reported performance issue on ps5 as performance disadvantages compared the series X which probably are not; the FPS spike seen in such situations smell more of missteps in the coding than hardware gap between the two console.

Ah right, I meant to say Tom!

 

[rnlval]

Motherfucker this ISN'T THE SAME SCENE. If half the screen is covered by a shity wall texture in one but no the other of course there could be a performance difference.

*runs away before I get owned*

For raytracing mode, XSX has the advantage.

 

[ToadMan]

I am so confused, so Sony was supposedly winning in performance, now Series X is?

No. All these differences are imperceptible.

PS5 is matching Xsex. That wasn’t supposed to happen according to the MS marketing.

So PS5 has gained ground in multiplats so far.

Doing stop frame screen caps of FPS is a waste of time. No one will see that.

 

[GenericUser]

Does the PS5 only drop in cutscenes and only in SP, or does this happen in multiplayer too?
Can we PS5 players (I hope I will be one soon) just deactivate the RT stuff to get a smoother framerate?

 

[Bogroll]

Does the PS5 only drop in cutscenes and only in SP, or does this happen in multiplayer too?
Can we PS5 players (I hope I will be one soon) just deactivate the RT stuff to get a smoother framerate?

Both

 

[assurdum]

Does the PS5 only drop in cutscenes and only in SP, or does this happen in multiplayer too?
Can we PS5 players (I hope I will be one soon) just deactivate the RT stuff to get a smoother framerate?

Sure. But such drops shouldn't happen. It seems before the last patch, RT mode hadn't such fps spike in SP campaign (VGtech source).

 

[GenericUser]

Both

Oh, that's not good then. I can deal with drops in singleplayer (because, who cares) but multiplayer needs locked 60fps. Hmm, maybe they'll release a patch that improves the performance.

Sure. But such drops shouldn't happen. It seems before the last patch, RT mode hadn't such fps spike in SP campaign (VGtech source).

So I can just deactivate RT and I'm good? That is good enough for me, I don't need RT, just gimme the 60fps and I'm good.

 

[Bogroll]

I am so confused, so Sony was supposedly winning in performance, now Series X is?

Xbox is beating PS5 in this one. That wasn't supposed to happen according to NXGamer and some on Gaf. TF don't matter. PS5 has faster fill rate and higher clocks. PS5 is up to 40% behind at times.

 

[iamvin22]

This guy is a godsend. I suspected such leaps on ps5 weren't "regular" at all. And obviously DF was unable to spot in because they are too focused to push the Xbox powerness narrative for such performance difference. Typical.

ooorrrrrr they did the comparison before the system and game patch, just sayin.

 

[sinnergy]

And so it already begins , XSX wins RT 60 frames ... now that’s 52 workers for you !

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Given that the XSX seems to hold steady in the RT cutscenes, I'll give it the nod in the comparison. Both seem to hold steady during RT gameplay. While the PS5 continues to excel at the 120Hz mode in yet another comparison, I'm not certain that's a mode many gamers can/will be able to use. I certainly can't as my TV seems to have a 100Hz max refresh. So for usable modes, seems like the XSX has the edge.

I do find it interesting that the PS5 seems to excel during what I believe to be CPU-limited situations. Cutscenes should be GPU-limited, but as your framerate increases, the CPU should start playing a bigger role with the increased number of frames that need physics, AI, and other controlled elements. If my assumption is correct, I wonder if we'll see first party studios leveraging that strong performance for enhanced world simulation, beyond just a graphical bump.

Fans of this franchise should be happy with either console version. Neither box performs poorly, and they both appear to have identical visual settings. I'm unable to watch the full video on my TV, so just skimmed the performance sections on my laptop. I didn't notice any of the noticeable tearing that VGT captured in his video. Was there any mention of that by DF? Also, there was no side-by-side for the RT mode, and only 2 short clips where the PS5 dips. Did they mention that this was consistent behavior from the PS5 in cutscenes? VGT had a few custscenes in both 60 and 120 modes, but there weren't any dips like seen in the DF video.

I kinda prefer VGT thus far for video comparisons, over NXG and DF. I think the spreadsheet supplement is absolutely brilliant, and helps to quantify what the eye can often miss. DF is slipping down the ladder as far as preferred tech analysis is concerned. I find VGT's voiceless side-by-sides to be the best, with NXG's more technical analysis second-best afterwards. Between encoding issues by YT, and excessive opinionating by their staff, DF is losing some of its luster for me. I only started following any of these channels in the past few months, so I don't know what the norm is.

 

[assurdum]

ooorrrrrr they did the comparison before the system and game patch, just sayin.

You know, when perfomance takes a hit in particular conditions theorically you try to discover the reason behind, if it's really a tech analysis what you want to do. But they seen performance it's fine on series X, so ps5 hardware is the fault . If you don't see a preconception behind this attitude I don't know what else to say. And it shows how gossip their analysis can be, when the people behind change.

 

[sinnergy]

You only needed to win one game each year ! And that’s COD, well done MS and Xbox ! Million seller right here . I was waiting for the best version before buying , sale +1.

 

[Viking Warrior]

Because the times where PS5 drops frame are scripted and no gameplay like the multiplayer mode, where the 120fps mode is consistent, no matter if scripted or not, and in multiplayer it will be noticeable.

PS5 is using Vsync on COD,when the framerate and refresh are not both 60 you get dropped frames,when does the framerate drop below 60?During cutscenes,most cutscenes run at half of framerate of gameplay.Xbox is using VRR in DF video.