I'm pretty neutral when it comes to Sony and MS, and own both Series X and PS5. I came here from GameFaqs hoping I'd see less of this petty console wars bullshit, but here we are knee deep in the muck. So when I see lop-sided tribalism, which seems to be heavily in favor for Playstation here, I try to balance it back out.I swear man...."cinematic games" is the new "too many trees". lol
Y'all need some more better ammo.
Post from another forum. Not even a thread. Proving what exactly…nothing?Lol? What do you think this is?
This cringe justification for MS’ action is worse than OP’s post by far.
Post in thread 'Washington Post: Phil Spencer interview on the Activision deal and more'
https://www.resetera.com/threads/wa...activision-deal-and-more.542051/post-80640275
Are you one of the people talking about how Series S is helding back next gen? Why not ask developers how many graphical options they need to implement for PC builds coz as far as I know Series S has better hardware inside it than most casual PC builds have, while on current gen consoles they only need to cater for S/X hardware and use 1 or 2 graphical options for each console. Just look at UE4/5 built games, they need to use more time and resource just to minimize the stutter fest on PC while they definitely have zero to no problem on consoles.Series S is screwing everyone. There's a reason there are not many games that come to the Switch. Developers and gamers want innovation and improvement. If PS5 and Series X are 50 steps above PS4/One, why would we need to settle for just 10 steps due to Series S?
This was the moment everything changed for them. The moment they changed focus from games to experiences, to now services. Since this image released their first party output has been abysmal.
They were the butt of the industry because by the time Wave Your Hands Like An Idiot(Kinect) came out, Sony was already pivoting from the 360 beatdown and recovering.
Lol@ Remembering Milo and all the fucking deflated hype behind Kinect. Good times.
People say this a lot, but Kinect actually drove a significant amount of hardware and software sales for Xbox 360.
It wasn’t Kinect that was the issue, it was MS not treating it like a side peripheral. They should have treated it the excellent way Sony handled PSVR - make a games pipeline for it without compromising first party development for traditional games.
Some of the best selling Xbox 360 games were Kinect titles.
People say this a lot, but Kinect actually drove a significant amount of hardware and software sales for Xbox 360.
It wasn’t Kinect that was the issue, it was MS not treating it like a side peripheral. They should have treated it the excellent way Sony handled PSVR - make a games pipeline for it without compromising first party development for traditional games.
Some of the best selling Xbox 360 games were Kinect titles.
There's a reason Xbox keeps getting outsold >2:1. Maybe if you guys actually held your favorite company to some kind of standards, instead of swallowing whatever PR and promises Papa Phil has for you, they wouldn't be in the mess they are now. Where they NEED to buy the biggest 3rd party publishers to even try to compete.
Of course the first reply is just an ad hominem attack from an Xbox fan. Can't debate, so just mock and attack.
There's a reason Xbox keeps getting outsold >2:1. Maybe if you guys actually held your favorite company to some kind of standards, instead of swallowing whatever PR and promises Papa Phil has for you, they wouldn't be in the mess they are now. Where they NEED to buy the biggest 3rd party publishers to even try to compete.
Yeah, neither do any of the others though.
That's how business works. If the best way to make money was turn all games into Pokemon-Go clones, they'd do it.
YepAnd a bunch of bad indie games can also skew down an average too.
If a publisher has a bunch of lousy niche games bringing down the average, there's no way in hell you are the type of guy who will say "oh wait gaffers, let's exclude those bad indie and niche games and focus on the full budget games and readjust the score"
Only reason why you are sore is because MS won that year with good games. If MS got a bad score because let's say Psychonauts 2 got a 50/100 score dragging down the avg 10 pts, you'd love it.
So let's not pretend here you have no bias when ratings go one way or another.
Sony fanboys will never admit that Microsoft's presence in the gaming market has significantly improved Playstation for the better. Without the competition in the top end console space, Sony never needs to shore up it's first party as they'd feel no need to differentiate themselves in that manner, and all higher end third party games would come exclusively to their console automatically because Nintendo hardware can't run them. Without the 360's existence, the PS3 doesn't get punished as the bad hardware it was, and Sony never gets humbled to change their practices, to fix their services.Yea the reason why PS5 is still under 600$ is because MS is competing, if MS didn't try you'd probably be seeing those consoles nearly 1000$ and games 100$ without subscription model, MS competing against Sony is the best thing for consumers. I mean if Sony didn't have MS competing you'd probably be seeing PS5 consoles not overclocked, heck they wouldn't be even trying to close the gap in terms of performance.
*Looking for Kinect 2*
Yeah, okay.
So many in here pretending like MS is actually competing ..Sony fanboys will never admit that Microsoft's presence in the gaming market has significantly improved Playstation for the better. Without the competition in the top end console space, Sony never needs to shore up it's first party as they'd feel no need to differentiate themselves in that manner, and all higher end third party games would come exclusively to their console automatically because Nintendo hardware can't run them. Without the 360's existence, the PS3 doesn't get punished as the bad hardware it was, and Sony never gets humbled to change their practices, to fix their services.
Wishing for monopolies is short term, idiotic thinking.
2:1 happened last gen, it is not happening now. You know why Sony didn't increase the cost of PS5 in the US? Because MS is competing here. Even the latest news from the UK shows MS is competing well there as well. Jim is crying about CoD because MS is already competing without exclusives. Now imagine when their studios start releasing the games. We don't know the numbers of the Series X/S sales but I bet Jim does. He is concerned, even more than you guys if it can be believed.
So many in here pretending like MS is actually competing ..
2022 says otherwise
Lmao is this you pretending to know
”how business works”?
Damn nerds man, always talking out of their asses.
This is where we are going to disagree. On PS1 they barely developped anything. And of course it was from studios freshly bought, at the end of the gen. They enforced their position through third parties, buying exclusivities and throwing a ton of money in marketing.Sony pumped up a fuckton of amazing games, aided third parties in developing their titles and commissioned great games from external studios so no, Sony was also responsible for that.
And this is why competition is such a good thing. Or Sony would just be like the ps3 days and make every one bend the knee. Charge a fortune for consoles and games and bleed us all for the most profit with minimum effort. Studios would be forced to just release on PlayStation. If ms failed Sony would go after pc next and start cutting games off from that market for multiple years.
It would suck.
Did you seriously say, that spiderman game is better than batman games? Or is this some language issue?
Post from another forum. Not even a thread. Proving what exactly…nothing?
Of course the first reply is just an ad hominem attack from an Xbox fan. Can't debate, so just mock and attack.
Lol. I literally responded stating facts. Sorry but my original post was related to neogaf, unfortunately I don’t have time (got actual life, work, time to play games etc.) to monitor all other internet gaming discussion boards etc. you did came back to me with link to other discussion board.
Maybe if you guys actually held your favorite company to some kind of standards, instead of swallowing whatever PR and promises Papa Phil has for you, they wouldn't be in the mess they are now.
I don't think they should be embarrassed.I wouldn't go as far as defining them as "small franchises", primarily due to their legacies (they are now more akin to sleeping giants, both are just one significant high quality reboot away from being sprung back in the spotlight).
However on the basis of where those franchises are in the overall landscape today you are correct. They should be embarrassed that stuff like Sea of Thieves and Grounded now have more sticking power than their once tentpole franchises.
Spiderman's boss combat is really bad. I wish they had batman's boss fight. That would have improved spiderman immensely, and those sneak side missions.I did not say that, no. I said its TRAVERSAL is better.
(Overall I think they're on about the same level.)
Not even trying to be incendiary but TOTK has like 3 different mechanics patented already iirc.It’s sad that some people can be so emotional about GamePass and still be so ignorant about it. Just to remind everyone:
Games on GamePass are all still available to buy, day one
Services need quality content to get people subscribed
MS has said they see GamePass as potentially 15-20% of their revenue (might have even been 10-15%). Meaning that, compared to traditional sales, they see it as a smaller piece of the pie
And yet somehow even with all of these facts, people still make it seem as if MS is going to dramatically reinvent how they make games to adapt to the GamePass model. Even though they still plan on making more money off of traditional sales. And they’re going to throw quality out the window, even though you need quality content to get people on a service. People always claim Xbox is bought less because of less games and less quality games, yet with GamePass somehow quality won’t matter.
Also OP exactly who is pushing gaming forward out of the big three? I can’t say I’ve seen a recent Sony or Nintendo game that revolutionized anything. What new IP has Sony given us this gen? Returnal? A rogue like shooter? Woah, that’s brand new. Is that it? I can’t think of another but surely there are others.
Like I said before in the ABK thread, these haters are always dinosaurs living on delusions. I mean you’re relying on Matt Damon arguing that the digital age sucks. I’m sure movie execs hate the paydays they get from streaming services. And yeah I bet studios have had to rethink budgets since the industry has gone through so many changes. That’s a good thing, and gaming could stand to go through the same thing.
The Last of Us: post apocalyptic linear with zombies
Horizon: post apocalyptic open world with machines
Days Gone: post apocalyptic open world with zombies
Those games are good but i must admit i miss the days when Sony made/published many smaller budget yet extremely unique games. They developed and/or published many such titles from the PS1 through the PS3 days.(also PSP, and much lesser extent Vita)
I have tons of criticisms in regards to Microsoft. However they appear to be supporting some unique small budget yet high quality games. They aren't big sellers but make GamePass more appealing.
In Sony's Spider-Man the story kinda sucks and with that it explains why didn't get higher ratings. So no cinematic marvel here.Here's the thing. Spider-Man Man and GoW did nothing for actual gameplay over games that are on Gamepass.
You are conflating 2 things here.
If you want AAA movies with games you already played (Batman) then sure those seem better, but when it boils down to gameplay you can find better mechanics elsewhere.
GamePass is a breeding ground for mediocrity.
Again:Lol. I literally responded stating facts. Sorry but my original post was related to neogaf, unfortunately I don’t have time (got actual life, work, time to play games etc.) to monitor all other internet gaming discussion boards etc. you did came back to me with link to other discussion board.
Of course the first reply is just an ad hominem attack from an Xbox fan. Can't debate, so just mock and attack.
There's a reason Xbox keeps getting outsold >2:1. Maybe if you guys actually held your favorite company to some kind of standards, instead of swallowing whatever PR and promises Papa Phil has for you, they wouldn't be in the mess they are now. Where they NEED to buy the biggest 3rd party publishers to even try to compete.
There's a reason Xbox keeps getting outsold >2:1.
GamePass is a breeding ground for mediocrity.
I truly hope Sony/Nintendo never put their games day one on a subscription service, or they will end up in the same boat.
And yet the bulk of Xbox first party on GP in the last few years have hovered in the 80+ MC range.
‘Mediocrity’ indeed.
Gonna cry? Sony fans are hurting your feelings? Time to grow a pair. The real world is no kindergarten anymore....If Sony is so great and Microsoft is so shit, why do you Sony fanboys always shit themselves over it? Are you that scared of the future?...is that why you have to constantly talk about how horrible the competition to your toy of choice is?
Who are you guys trying to convince, us or yourselves? Because you seem really insecure about it all.
Just wait until you graduate to PC gaming and have near everything at your fingertips and not piecemeal releases, it'll blow your mind.[/URL]
He’s 100% right.
And even before TGA I realized that I had already swapped to main PS5 on console, simply because that’s where the best and coolest games has been this year. MS didn’t just drop the ball, their whole team left the field and has been sitting on the bench watching Sony playing by themselves.
I definitely feel like there's too much negativity about the big 3.Not even trying to be incendiary but TOTK has like 3 different mechanics patented already iirc.
Splatoon, which is 8 years old has one of the most ingenious gameplay twists in the change form and swim through ink which reloads ammo dynamics.
Like you can't seriously say no one of the big three is trying to push for innovation unless you're not paying attention.
MS themselves have mentioned they only created this Gamepass strategy because they couldn't compete at selling games with everyone else. It was in one of their documents about their Activision deal for regulators i think.Giving access to day one blockbuster releases on a cheap subscription service in order to be a loss leader is not a sustainable strategy. It never was. A lot of us have been calling this out since day one.
When times were good sure, maybe. Now tough times have arrived, all of a sudden it's being squeezed and exposed.