gow3isben
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How bad are those numbers compared to other AAA games?
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Redfall | Review Thread
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How bad are those numbers compared to other AAA games?
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hemo memo
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Looks at the the examiner hands “No thanks. I will take my chances” leaves.
Heisenberg007
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Heisenberg007
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That hand is bigger than:
- Her forearm
- Her arm
- Her face
- The chair seat in the background
feynoob
Member
Pretty bad.
Banjo64
cumsessed
800 players?
Put it like this, there’s currently 701 players playing AC Black Flag, a game that came out in 2013.
For a brand new game with Microsoft’s backing, that number is absolutely laughable (although it’s actually too high considering what they have delivered).
GHG
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Yeh, this isn't getting any long term support.
Bumblebeetuna
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Back when the way to read reviews was only magazines, a 5 was most definitely an average title. There were routinely reviews with scores of 5 or 6 that still read very positively. It’s only when a thousand websites popped up and everyone started fighting for clicks did it become an industry where a 7 can be seen as critic failure and a 6 is a turd.
Heisenberg007
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Not just the hands, the game just has no sense of proportion.
Look at how absurdly large these counters are
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Fake
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I guess is a part of western devs trying to desexualization/remove attractive aspect of NPCs.
Is not the first time they increase NPC hands size. I guess Dead Island 2 use something similar.
Karak
Member
Thanks for watching the review folks! Even the 2nd time lol!
Sadly that did pretty much end any relationship I had with MS/Beth due to the issue. But in the end, breaking an embargo 100% should result in that even if it was a bit out of pocket.
It does suck as MS and Beth are easily the most pro youtube companies when it comes to getting data and making us feel pretty comfortable in what is said and done. Now with youtube and its massive turning off of monotization on accounts, that Media Mogul video today was mind blowing as he WORKS directly for them and their coop video on the new channel also was turned off. It feels like a unique time in games.
As for Redfall itself. It is what it is. A boring title.
Sadly that did pretty much end any relationship I had with MS/Beth due to the issue. But in the end, breaking an embargo 100% should result in that even if it was a bit out of pocket.
It does suck as MS and Beth are easily the most pro youtube companies when it comes to getting data and making us feel pretty comfortable in what is said and done. Now with youtube and its massive turning off of monotization on accounts, that Media Mogul video today was mind blowing as he WORKS directly for them and their coop video on the new channel also was turned off. It feels like a unique time in games.
As for Redfall itself. It is what it is. A boring title.
Tsaki
Member
It's a Arkane thing. It didn't look bad in Dishonored. Here it just doesn't work the same way.
Tsaki
Member
Timezone mistakes can happen. Having a review embargo on the day of release is as always worrying for the state of any game and this one keeps on reinforcing that. I wonder if the outcome would be same had your review been glowing.
Nydius
Member
Jeeeeeezus!
Redfall fell off faster than Outriders did, and that game launched with severe game breaking bugs like broken coop and complete character gear wipes.
feynoob
Member
That game was good, while this was turd shit.
Karak
Member
Well this was 3 uploads and an error in the software that ya corrected from 8pm(never seen that one) to the normal embargo time of 8am. Sadly it slipped past.
Also yes. I actually know of 2-3 people who do not get code due to positive reviews coming out early. Contrary to the thoughts the embargo break messes stuff up regardless of any actual verdict.
Heisenberg007
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But it was an innocent timezone mistake, confusing between 11 AM and 11 PM!
That all sounds extremely unfair.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Considering the next game is Starfield, you are seriously taking this well. Your Redfall review was a fair video, sadly it popped too early. It's a pity you lost early access for their reviews but hopefully they reconsider by August.
ZoukGalaxy
Gold Member
Metacritic user reviews are sometimes often pure gem, I love to read them.
Mahavastu
Member
At the steamdb page there is a "compare with others" button.
Numbers are really bad...
https://steamdb.info/app/1294810/charts/ (redfall)
https://steamdb.info/app/489830/charts/ (skyrim, a game from the stone age)
ManaByte
Gold Member
To be fair, this is the only Arkane game I’ve ever played this long. Is it good? Nah. Is it worth $70/$100? Hell the fuck no. But I’ve 100% cleared the first area and will likely finish the game (probably on PC). It’s basically FarCry light but with Vampires.Metacritic user reviews aresometimesoften pure gem, I love to read them.
Varteras
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I'm way more interested in how We Got This Covered arrived at a 9/10 review from a freelance writer who supposedly has a degree in game design.
To be honest I've never even heard of them until today. Stevivor has a known history of bizarre scores though that very predictably deviate greatly from the aggregate.
I guess that's who they turned to for mock reviews. Who would take their scores seriously?
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ZoukGalaxy
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ChorizoPicozo
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This is why no one should use individual scores to make arguments.To be honest I've never even heard of them until today. Stevivor has a known history of bizarre scores though that very predictably deviate greatly from the aggregate.
I guess that's who they turned to for mock reviews. Who would take their scores seriously?
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I would argue this is why no one should use scores to make arguments period.
People should instead discuss the faults of the game itself and not rely on some arbitrary number of collection of numbers to try and justify any discussion/debate.
Varteras
Gold Member
To be honest I've never even heard of them until today. Stevivor has a known history of bizarre scores though that very predictably deviate greatly from the aggregate.
I guess that's who they turned to for mock reviews. Who would take their scores seriously?
Oh yeah. I'm well aware that Stevivor is bias as fuck. I've said years ago that site should be banned from counting on review aggregates. I'm not normally in favor of that, but when it's clear your reviews have an agenda in this way, you shouldn't be given any weight in product reviews. It's not even the same as platform centric sites. You are clearly propping up one and shitting on the other. An Xbox specific website may be more inclined to help boost Xbox scores, but they don't simultaneously drag down Nintendo or PlayStation scores.
Krathoon
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I seems like the artist got carried away.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
staph.
Krathoon
Gold Member
The thing is, it seems buggy as hell. Really broken AI and characters T posing. The T posing really gets me.
feynoob
Member
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All games have broken AI, it's just to what level it is broken. Redfall is particularly bad though.
GHG
Gold Member
Even though it was clearly unintentional, I'm sure those who had the game pre-ordered appreciated the heads-up.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Slacked off this week. Too much hockey playoffs. But I got the game downloaded from GP and will give a whirl tomorrow night.
I'm just going to roam around playing the game like normal. I'm not going to be purposely looking in chimney holes or anything like that. But let's see what I find.
I'm just going to roam around playing the game like normal. I'm not going to be purposely looking in chimney holes or anything like that. But let's see what I find.
GHG
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Yeh it's called animation culling:
https://docs.unity3d.com/ScriptReference/AnimatorCullingMode.html
But clearly something about the way they've set it up (or have the animations themselves set up) is broken.
Bridges
Member
Geeze, I think the hate for the game is a tad exaggerated but as someone who's nearing the endpoint you've pretty much seen all the game has to offer by the 1 hour mark.
Krathoon
Gold Member
Yeah. They got them rigged wrong. They totally rushed it out the door.
That should not be a hugely difficult fix. That is settings in the Unreal engine.
I totally do not get how it was released in this state. This was five years of development. It is like they released the wrong version.
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Daneel Elijah
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After Phil interview a few days ago, I stopped stressing about this. I can get that what he said was divisive for most people, but it made sense to me. They were in a bad position, could not cancel it and trusted Arkane to do the job. This I knew it before the interview. But hearing Phil talk I got a theory. In this case, and maybe in others, I feel like they were patrons, and not a corporation wanting to get money. Like they got a creative studio wanting/stuck trying to make a game, and let them continue working on it. When it was clear that Redfall was not ready, they push it back. But there is a limit to how much money they can loose on charity, so they let the game ship in May. I know that many will mock me for this. But I have no other explanation. I let it go. If Starfield had the same problem, I hope that I will be able to accept it too.
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Banjo64
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I’m sorry to hear that. A mistake is a mistake, you obviously weren’t doing it for clout so it’s a shame MS are taking such a hardline stance.
Heisenberg007
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gow3isben
Member
Train ain't stopping
skit_data
Member
Incredible.
It’s like he’s developed some sort of immunity towards… knowledge and information.
Coulomb_Barrier
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To be honest I've never even heard of them until today. Stevivor has a known history of bizarre scores though that very predictably deviate greatly from the aggregate.
I guess that's who they turned to for mock reviews. Who would take their scores seriously?
It's shocking but it seems there are way too many of these desperately sad 'review' outlets/people with a painfully obvious bias for MS. I'm sure there are one or two that are the same for PS but it seems lopsided.
What is it about Xbox that attracts these long suffering acolyte types? Why are there so many of them hiding under the facade of a 'reviewer'?