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Bleach manga to enter final story arc
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cosmicblizzard
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The damage has already been done. There kind of HAS to be power level inconsistencies when the number 1 Espada can be taken down by a Shikai. The Royal Guard better be capable of destroying entire universes.
To be fair Shunsui's shikai is just really fucking broken. It's basically up there with Aizen's.
It's the main reason I want to see Shunsui's, and Aizen's if it ever happens, Bankai. How can it become even more broken?
HomerSimpson-Man
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Yeah, it's all kinds of just pointless stupid, that kills any real tension.
"Oh, yeah? How about how I pull this out of my ass! Feel the power and choke on it!
"Oh, yeah? How about how I pull this out of my ass! Feel the power and choke on it!
Hypereides
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Any battle manga these days is replicating the Dragonball formula. Considering Kubo, Oda and others are a big fans of Toriyama its unsurprising they are mimic-ing his succes.
HomerSimpson-Man
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It's a shame too. With all that power level stuff, Kubo seemed to have handled it pretty well until the end of the Soul Society arc and then just went nuts later. Keeping his own consistency and character growth with skilled battles rather than just only "I can pull a rabbit out of my ass special attack" he coulda had something awesome. Now I'm just sad and burnt.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think that happened, did it?
No One piece isn't about power levels and deus ex machina power ups.
bleach and naruto abusesing the whole power level out ass to kill any tension(not even dbz abused it as much).
Bel Marduk
Banned
We already saw Shunsui's Bankai when he fought Stark.
Edit Wait nvm no we didn't. Forgot that weird power of his was just the Shikai. His Bankai would be broken.
He's talking about when Aizen completely negated Soifons shikai ability because his reaitsu was so much higher.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yeah, that's what I mean. I totally don't even remember that happening.
Twas his shikai. He always had the two swords, that's just what his zanpakuto looks like.
It's why One Piece is so good after so long. The characters actually have varied abilities instead of just having 1 billion power level or something.
Luffy is a deus ex machina MACHINE
he pulls random moves out of nowhere
but its kind of clever so its alright
the rasengan and ichigo's sword beam were kind of the go-to moves for most of the battles in those shows i guess
you knew they would appear every fight
It was right before he decided to troll Hitsugaya and Hinamori for the billionth time. She tried her shikai on him, he negated it but then fell for Shinji's shikai that set him up for the Hitsugaya stab that led to the infamous troll moment.
Sadly but true.
A full released Primera Espada got owned by a shikai was really the epitome of fail on the Espada Arc. The guy didn't even need to use his Bankai. -_-
you werent questioning the power balance when ichigo was fighting people that had been training for hundreds of years on his first try because of his awesome spiritual power?
fuck i hated that shit so much
HomerSimpson-Man
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There just needs to be some sort of like simple magic fix, like some magical unassuming rock or something that negates the retard power levels and bullshit special attacks to nothing more than bitchslaps so people can actually duke it out.
or how they inexplicably start flying?
HomerSimpson-Man
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Now that confused and pissed me off. I'm like, WTF did this happen?!
Hell, it would have changed the ton of the dynamics and tension of the earlier arcs if this was known. Remember when special cape was needed for Ichigo to fly, and it was a big deal in the Soul Society arc since he used it to fly in-front of the firebird?
Then again it was big deal back in the beginning when Ichigo managed to wound a menos grande hollow but then later on you see something like freakin' Rukia chop them down like nothing when the beginning of the series she had trouble with some no name hollow!
It's pretty incredible how much the series lost sight of itself.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Because it's consistent with the power levels that way. Regardless of how he got there, he still became strong as fuck. A shikai, however, is NOT something that should take down a friggin Vasto Lorde espada after how much they were hyped up.
It was explained though. Something about putting the reiatsu under your feet I think. It's not really flying but rather walking/running/flash stepping on air.
Aizen's shikai technically took out almost every single character in the series. It's not like it wasn't established that a shikai could be broken as fuck. Which Shunsui's is.
HomerSimpson-Man
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It came off like everyone randomly just ups and does it one day in Bleach remembering they can all do something so simple! Universal forgetfulness! lol
Sho_Nuff82
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The power levels got so insanely out of whack at the end of the Arrancar arc that I thought it was generally going to end then. I mean you had Aizen and Gin trolling the fuck out of the strongest characters in the entire cannon, Ichigo losing every other fight despite previously styling on Byakuya and Kenpachi who are suddenly unstoppable bad asses, the entire Hollow community getting bitch slapped in one fight (why are Hollows even a threat if every Captain can defeat an Espada one on one without dying?), and Aizen getting 3 or 4 powerups beyond the point where he was the best character.
He should have at least had the guts to kill some characters off. It's almost offensive that Grimmjow and a few other Espada are still alive.
Edit: and I have to agree, characters hiding their Bankais in life or death situations is fucking stupid. Even DBZ wasn't that dumb.
All that does is make me view everyone in Soul Society as complete fucking morons. Fox dude is the only one who actually tries to get shit done, but he always gets owned.
The strongest captains decided to sit on their asses and not do much of anything while Aizen murked everyone.
And don't get me started on Yama spending the entire arc preparing a sacrifical technique...instead of, you know, HELPING HIS PEOPLE OR RELEASING HIS BANKAI!
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Yeah but they definitely did explain it. The problem is that they all started doing it out of nowhere. As if they all suddenly learned it after the previous arc. You'd think it would've been happening all throughout the soul society arc, if it was as easy and common to do as it apparently is.
That was always one of the things that bugged me the most about Bleach for some reason. I mean clearly Kubo ended up feeling constrained by having to keep fights on the ground, but surely he could've come up with some in-universe reason for everyone suddenly being able to do it. "Aizen's absolute hypnosis made everyone forget they could do it, they remembered as soon as he was encased in the Negación!"
Isn't there some BS about it not working in Soul Society due to something something spirit particle density or some crap? I wouldn't swear to it, but I thought I'd read something to that effect before.
But yeah, it's BS and really helped lazy up the fights by removing the need to ever really include environmental factors.
But yeah, it's BS and really helped lazy up the fights by removing the need to ever really include environmental factors.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Isn't there some BS about it not working in Soul Society due to something something spirit particle density or some crap? I wouldn't swear to it, but I thought I'd read something to that effect before.
But yeah, it's BS and really helped lazy up the fights by removing the need to ever really include environmental factors.
Yeah, it really made things all lazier. You had all these techniques and the environment at your disposable, let's JUST WALK ON AIR!
Jackie Chan made a career exploiting his environments, because it opened up ideas for fights, not restrict them. Then again I might be too harsh, its not fair to compare Kubo to a legend like Jackie but the concept still stands.
I just really hated how they all just started walking on air out of nowhere like that.
Stealth Editor
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Yeah One Piece has that. Sea stones
HomerSimpson-Man
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I really got to get into One Piece. With how I once loved Naruto and dropped it and then I loved Bleach even more, and then dropped it cause I got tired too of its BS I'm going to need another fix.
I've seen several dozen episodes of One Piece back in the day and enjoyed it, looks like with how One Piece holds up and handles things compared to the other too, I'm likely what I hear in this thread. I guess I have a crapton of episodes to fill up on!
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Bleach has seki-seki stone, doesn't it? The stuff they made the tower out of that they kept Rukia in? Blocks spirit energy?
I love how people act like there's no "I am suddenly stronger because I will it to be!" Nonsense in OP. Because there certainly is, it's just not as obvious nor extreme.
I'm hoping that once we get to the new realm or Royal guard or whatever, Kubo can find a way to regulate this Power Level nonsense. To be quite honest it was truly fine up until about...the FKT arc. In Hueco Mundo, the power levels were still quite fine (just much higher, but the enemies were stronger too). As a matter of fact, I'd say that the fights were mostly well done (unless you count the Kenpachi 2-hand fiasco) all the way up until Fake Karakura Town. You all just remember that as the last big event.
I'm hoping that once we get to the new realm or Royal guard or whatever, Kubo can find a way to regulate this Power Level nonsense. To be quite honest it was truly fine up until about...the FKT arc. In Hueco Mundo, the power levels were still quite fine (just much higher, but the enemies were stronger too). As a matter of fact, I'd say that the fights were mostly well done (unless you count the Kenpachi 2-hand fiasco) all the way up until Fake Karakura Town. You all just remember that as the last big event.
HomerSimpson-Man
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From the looks of things, I guess they conveniently forgot about those things too. Could have been a really interesting thing to creatively exploit but then again it's not as easy as "OMG, I HAVE THE POWER!".
mugurumakensei
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mostly, it was cut short cause of editor influence. Ironically (not really), the arrancar arc was dragged out because of editor influence.
Sho_Nuff82
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Ichigo > Byakuya > Kenpachi > Espada Cero > Espada 4 >>>> Ichigo > Kenpachi > Espada 5 >> Ichigo
And this was all AFTER he got the hollow power up.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Well hollow power up or no, it's just implied that "fighting dudes" is how Ichigo gets stronger. So after fighting Grimmjow he was pretty much strong enough to start fighting Ulquiorra. The problem is that he was totally drained and beat to shit, and not really able to fight ANYONE until he got healed. Thus why Nnoitra was handing him his ass.
The real problem is Kenpachi, yeah. Can we not just hand-wave it away as "after his defeat by Ichigo in the Soul Society, Kenpachi re-dedicated himself to training to get even stronger?" That's what he said at the end of that fight anyway, GOTS TO GET STRONGER. Lots of off-screen training? Or maybe just explain Kenpachi's ability in general as pseudo-Hulk? "Pretty much as strong as he needs to be in any fight?" Matches his opponent, but never really exceeds them, cause he wants it to be sporting? Even if it means he'll be defeated?
YEAH I DUNNO
Glass Rebel
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That's basically the problem though? Power levels in OP are sometimes off the chart too (see Whitebeard being able to destroy the world) but it's not like they're unstoppable entities (see Whitebeard getting owned).
SD Naruto anime to air in Bleach's timeslot - Is this the beginning of the end?
Haki fits that description better
so really they had 2 types of neutralizers
I guess Aizen was Bleaches version
Which is what you get if you try A > B and B > C => A > C logic on Bleach, which clearly doesn't work like that. Some people are better match-ups than others. Mayuri was beaten by Ishida, who was a brute fighter. Yet Mayuri beats Apollo who beat Ishida.
Aside from that, you also fail to take into accounts stuff like Ichigo having barely beaten GrimmJow before being attacked by Nnoitra while Kenpachi was fresh; Kenpachi holding back certain techniques against Ichigo (Kenpachi wanted a good fight instead of just destroying his opponent), ...
Yup. Kubo shot his bolt with the Bankais of all the captains, and from then on the Aizentrolling just killed the series for me.
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