Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I think you know the answer to that question.
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Epic Reveals Samaritan Processing Requirements: 10x 360 at 1080p, (4.4x 360 at 720p)
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I think you know the answer to that question.
gaming_noob
Member
The wait is killing...I hope all 3 will have some playable tech demos at E3. PS4 with a mind blowing Avatar-quality Drake running in a busy street, 360 with Halo 3's commercial playable and Nintendo with their Zelda tech demo playable.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I love all three companies and feel the same way the posters you listed above do. In my case at least, it's not "damage control."
Also not sure how it could be considered "damage control" considering we know next to nothing about any of the consoles. The latest reports from the Wii U devkits were actually much more positive than before and the latest rumors about MS's devkits were much less than some on here expected, so I think it has gone both ways.
Fusion Pizza
Member
Nice, I'll watch this during a break today.
dragonelite
Member
Maybe some people would like to see the effect of a 720px4MSAA bf3 screenshot upscaled to 1080p vs a 1080p without MSAA no postprocessing AA to keep it clean.
I can see the difference even without me lenses.
720p4xMsaa
1080p
I can see the difference even without me lenses.
720p4xMsaa
1080p
Maybe some people would like to see the effect of a 720px4MSAA bf3 screenshot upscaled to 1080p vs a 1080p without MSAA no postprocessing AA to keep it clean.
I can see the difference even without me lenses.
720p4xMsaa
1080p
Can you take a 720p shot with MSAA and FXAA(max).
Exactly, their bias is so obvious.
dragonelite
Member
i can do that i will also make one then with 1080p with FXAA(max)
That first shot looks alot worst than most ps3/xbox games on my tv. You are clearly missing a variable in your equation.
Sirolf
Member
I second that.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Your PC monitor? Viewing distance?
AtomicShroom
Member
I have this weird feeling that most games next-gen are still gonna be 720p, but with much better AA, instead of 1080p. They're going to justify it by saying they can push oh-so-much more stuff on the screen at 720p, and that it matters more than getting a real 1080p.
Take 5 steps back, there's your missing variable.
Angelus Errare
Banned
You're looking at it on your monitor, your view distance, the fact its 720p upscaled to 1080?
edit: Damn, beaten like the red headed stepchild T_T
Cow Mengde
Banned
How's that in Dragonball terms?
I agree that rumours aren't necessarily good evidence, neither are they proof. It is the only evidence to go by at this point. Honestly I think it wouldn't have been dismissed so much if it had fit more people's expectations.
What rumours have that been? The only rumors about actual hardware (as opposed to games/demos running on it and developers making vague statements) have only confirmed the Wii U devkit had an RV770 variant. If you have any other rumor that I might have missed about the Wii U being weaker and the next Xbox being significantly more powerful, please give me that.
I agree that it is unlikely the Xbox 3 will be weaker. But the reason for dismissing it as impossible with the currently available information is just wrong. If the SoC rumor is true, the GPU is going to have a disadvantage compared to the discrete Wii U graphics chip, which means it is not completely unreasonable to think it ends up being slightly less powerful (and the next Xbox a very small cheap console).
So when all other arguments fail, you play the fanboy card? How very shallow. If you watched our posting behavior so much, please go back and see that I previously made comments about the next Xbox likely to be having a GPU that would be nearly 3x as powerful as the Wii U one. I then changed my mind when these rumors started popping up.
Please don't let this thread derail with this kind of stuff.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Then you must also notice in these threads the loads of people down playing the latest rumors about the wiiu devkits being more powerfull. The lol wiiu will not be a generation leap post are just as bad.
maniac-kun
Member
XBOX 360s powerlevel is 250.
Samaritan requires a powerlevel of 2500! Its like a genkidama! The developers are currently collecting all the energy.
Bingo.
dragonelite
Member
On request
720p 4x Msaa Max FXAA
1080p No Msaa Max FXAA
Dam imgur has some terrible compresion.
Edit: uploaded to abload.
720p 4x Msaa Max FXAA
1080p No Msaa Max FXAA
Dam imgur has some terrible compresion.
Edit: uploaded to abload.
Phonomezer
Banned
To be fair, not everybody know about this (myself included), because all of the Wii U stuff is contained in one thread that nobody wants to trudge through for information.
Don't use imgur, use abload or Minus.
Not to get caught up in spec-talk that I know very little about, but isn't the fact that it's from IGN another reason this particular rumor is considered somewhat credible? IGN doesn't get a lot right, but they've usually close when it comes to early spec reveals. They got the Wii right at a time when nobody wanted to believe the Wii would be as weak as it ended up being.
That, and it lines up with what we know MS wants to accomplish this gen: an affordable entertainment hub for the family that's integrated with Kinect, keeps Sony and Apple at bay in the living room, and capitalizes on the Xbox brand without sinking them for the first 3-4 years of the gen.
I'd say the SoC rumor is the best thing we have to go by until someone else drops an even bigger bomb.
specialguy
Banned
Sure it does. The fact 360 is competitive with PS3 graphics is imo the reason why it's done so well.
The fabled 256 MB RAM 360 would have been a disaster and pretty sure 360 would not be in the position it's in.
There have been people in the wii u thread saying they had access to the wii u dev kits and they where underwhelming.
But guess what, since they don't please the fanboys, those rumours are promptly dismissed and only the ones stating the wii u is more powerfull than expected stay and are taken for facts.
bigtroyjon
Member
They already have an affordable entertainment hub for the family. If that's what they want there is no reason to release another console in the near future.
There are PC-GAF that have been keeping similar expectations for a long time as well.
specialguy
Banned
They got the Wii right because they had Cassamasina, and he had actual sources. Since then they've been utterly horrible in all next gen reporting, and have gotten nothing right. Well, IIRC they did get some 3DS specs, that's about it.
BTW, the funny thing is GAF went apeshit on them when they reported the Wii's subpar specs, called them liars and worse ten million times, because it wasnt what you wanted to hear. I was around then and I remember well. But when you want to hear Next Xbox wont be better than Wii U or whatever, suddenly you believe them and they're credible. It's also funny how in threads with news people dont like, there's 100 replies of "lol IGN". But now suddenly they're credible when they say what you want to hear? Rigghht.
The SoC rumor did not come from IGN - that was a previous rumor supposedly from sources at IBM's production plants. IGN's rumor told us that there was something comparable to the HD6670 in the first devkits, that the next Xbox was '6x the 360' whereas the Wii U was '5x the 360'.
It is true that IGN has a good track record when it comes to revealing specs, at least those of devkits. They nailed the Wii and 3DS, and what they had on the Wii U last year has been confirmed by other rumors/insiders to be correct.
specialguy
Banned
The SOC rumors also stated it was a "7000 series" GPU, not a 6670. So you're actually sourcing two rumors that contradict each other as proof of something?
no I both pc game and console game on my new sony led tv. The exact same tv I am viewing NEOGAF on right now and I can easily say that looks worse than what I play on the consoles on the same screen in the same chair.
More than likely that is because of some variance in my desk top resolution and the native console resolution, but that does not take away from the fact that it looks worse.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
it was a new junior member when pressed by a mod to verify he dissappeared.
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I wasn't a gaffer at the time, and I usually don't take part in the IGN dissing. Just an observation that they're usually closer than most when it comes to early spec leaking - regardless of if it suits my agenda or not.
It's starting to seem more and more likely that this is the case, and if so I don't see how anyone could complain. 5x the 360 will still be leaps better than the best of what we're seeing today.
specialguy
Banned
6670 isn't 6X 360 though, it's more like 3-4X, that was one of the clue's the rumor is stupid.
I dont recall IGN reporting anything on Wii U that wasn't cribbed from 01.net.
They also put together a 4850 PC and used it as an example of what Wii U could do, aka run Call of Duty with a little more AA and slightly sharper textures (because hey that's what a 4850 PC can do). So are you believing IGN there, too? Because the fact is in a closed box a 4850 would run rings around PS360, not run PS360 games slightly better as IGN implied. But if you believe IGN that it's a 4850, then you also need to believe IGN that it'll just run PS360 games a little sharper and that's all.
The basic fact is IGN has absolutely no idea what they are talking about when it comes to tech matters.
Maybe he was a troll, maybe he was under NDA and got scared, who knows?
Rumours are just rumours, and until we have actual specs everyone will just pick the ones that fit their agenda.
specialguy
Banned
Not really, the actual rumor implied it would be a 550 MM^2 SOC, which would be more silicon than the original 360 shipped with in two separate chips combined. Not only that but you could get some quite tasty performance improvements over two separate chips because you'd have unheard of intra-chip bandwidth between the CPU and the GPU.
It is true that in general, soc's have typically so far been used where low power is a primary goal, but there's nothing really saying you couldn't do a quite powerful SOC theoretically.
Though I dont believe the rumor at all anyway.
No, they are not dismissed. They just can't be taken into the equation because they are vague statements that we don't know how to interpret. We can't do anything with the statements Sega and Vigil have made about it being significantly more powerful than this generation either. If somebody would come out saying the Wii U had a 400 SPU chip, and we could verify him being a dev, which would that would be credible and discussible. Because it would be a claim about actual silicon.
Stop calling me a fanboy. If I give you the respect of discussing with you with evidence (which consists of not only rumors but also the state of the market and technology) and my interpretations of them, I expect you to at least not resort to name-calling.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Plenty of developers pm mods with details of were they work. It's fishy when the person does a drive by post. It also goes againts what ever one who has seen the devkits have said.
DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
It's not even that, real world figures and your talking between 2-3 times as powerful at most, in terms of memory bandwidth and pixel pushing fill rate.
6670 sucks donkey balls, whether its in a closed box or PC..period.
specialguy
Banned
But how many of those are revealing next gen specs? Only lherre that I know of, and he's A) got big balls B) seems to have clammed up himself lately.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
Exact thing I have noticed. DCKing is preaching how expectations do not dictate reality, and yet acts as if anyone who does not go along with his expectations of next gen is a fool.
There is a (good imo) chance that the next xbox will blow us away, but sure there is a chance it will be underpowered as well.
All this talk about how people dont care about graphics is bollocks. Based on what? The Wii?
I have yet to meet a gamer, or causual gamer that is not impressed or does not care about graphics.
If graphics didnt matter then why is graphics a huge selling point of just about every exclusive and every AAA game that releases?
MS exclusives
Halo
Gears
Forza
Alan Wake
(Originally Mass Effect)
The Witcher 2
etc.
Sony exclusives
Uncharted
Resistance
GT
God of War
Killzone
The Last of Us
etc.
Even big Wii exlcusives have a selling opoint of being the best looking games on the system
Mario galaxy, Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime etc etc
AAA Multiplats
Red Dead Redemtion
CoD
Battlefield
Mass Effect
Far Cry
Crysis
Skyrim
Bioshock
Medal of Honor
Portal
Assassins Creed
GTA
etc etc etc
All these games have competitive graphics for a reason.
The average CoD player if showed a next gen version of CoD would immediately want to jump in to next gen for that version. I can guarantee that a next gen CoD, with the same gameplay as we see now, with upgraded graphics, would move more systems with the more casual CoD players than it would hardcore gamers.
Graphics sell, they always have and they always will.
Edit: And also, if graphics dont matter, as evidenced by the Wii, then why is Big N bothering to show off tech demos of the WiiU showing off awesome graphics? Why are they rumored to have INCREASED the power of the WiiU after concerns that it was underpowered? I mean, afterall, graphics don't matter anymore...
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
You're taking flaky rumors and twisting them to make bizarre claims that happen to favor the Wii-U, all while posting with a Link avatar. You may not be a fanboy but you're doing a pretty good impression.
I didn't call you a fanboy, it's just that you and StevieP have been hard at work in all next gen threads downplaying xbox3 and ps4 power while doing the reverse for wii u.
And all this based only on rumours.
Theonik
Member
Well 720p samaritan level is fairly attainable for next gen then. A repeat of this gen's 720p antics though means I'm not buying.
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Ok then, show us your reliable sources which say otherwise because they are all "flaky" rumours that keep contradicting one another or are really impossible to reliably interpret. Statements like these imply you must have some sort of solid source sure?
They're flaky because you don't believe in them, not because they're actually flaky.
Rumors saying 2x 360 are just as flaky as the IGN rumor. Lets stop this tap dancing bullshit and wait until the actual specs are leaked.
When I came here, I thought GAF was one the more reasonable places to discuss these matters. Why the hell are you being so offensive over this?
The only Nintendo console I own is a Game Boy Advance, WTF is this shit
At least specialguy is countering my arguments. I applaud him for that.
What else do we have besides the rumors?
I think people are trying to make the point that Wii U could be pretty close in terms of power and chip design compared to the 720 and PS4.
For some reason suggesting that Nintendo won't be really far behind next gen is offensive to some.