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[gofreak]

definitely!

I'm pretty sure they had to announce every single third party game even remotely coming to the Vita, tonight, in this Sony presentation.

A lot of people have such a sense of urgency about Vita that they think Sony had to really do that, expose the whole barrel.

Now maybe they're right, but I don't know if SCEJ quite shared that sentiment. And even if they wanted to they couldn't do that. A lot of pubs simply would not want to debut games at a webcast alongside others like that.

 

[Maedhros]

the problem is that when major events will come out (E3 and TGS) vita will be on life support in japan if the current trend keeps going...

man, it could even cross stream with the Dreamcast, while it probably will cross stream with the Game Cube

What can be done? They won't just show major games on a webcast... that's ridiculous do expect.

They could announce some live event for before the TGS and announce some games there, but, when? Isn't the games that be out until there sufficient for the low bar Sony is setting for Vita?

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

That's how it was sold in Japan, 2 and 3 together, and Peace Walker separately as HD Editions. It was outside Japan where all 3 were in one disc as Metal Gear Solid HD Collection.

I had no idea, thanks for the info

 

[dark_prinny]

Oh my... SONY. Oh my...

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Well when do you think they would make a bigger presentation?

No offence, but it was/is rather silly to expect too much from a webcast. For this kind of format I think the profile of the announcements seems about right - although tbh, I'm not exactly sure what all was announced, PSO2 aside.

No offence taken, but with it experiencing rather sluggish sales in Japan at the moment (that's being generous) and with a strong competitor dominating week in, week out, surely there is some value in getting good word out *before* higher-profile events?

Maybe they've got a stack of great first- and third-party titles in development that they want to blow the roof off with at E3 or TGS, but there must be *some* benefit in dropping a few of those now to give potential buyers confidence in the system and to generate some hype, even it means a less explosive conference three months from now?

 

[DMeisterJ]

No news about PSone Classics. :/

 

[Principate]

I suppose Im getting confused here. I could have sworn that I have seen Phantasy star games sell hundreds of thousands of copies on PSP. Is that not Phantasy Star Online games?

I'm pretty sure they didn't have a subscription fee.... And I think they were called Phantasy star portable.

 

[pramath]

Because the userbase might not be the best for that specific game to sell well.

This argument made infinitely more sense with the DS.
With the 3DS, Nintendo went for the kill, they secured not just the DS audience and the kinds of games the DS got, but also the PSP's audience and all of ITS corresponding third party support.

 

[frostbyte]

Because the userbase might not be the best for that specific game to sell well.

Care to give an example of a specific genre?

 

[mclem]

I said this already, but let me repeat myself:

Well, we can almost be certain that the Vita will get some form of a Call of Duty and Assassins Creed game. The former because Activision ports the series to everything in existence and the latter because, well, heck the PSP had an Assassins Creed game, and that thing was dead in the west, so why not the Vita?

So did the DS. I always assumed that neither actually *sold* particularly well.

 

[Mpl90]

It's a disaster. I don't even know what to say. Fuck.

 

[pramath]

So did the DS. I always assumed that neither actually *sold* particularly well.

I always assumed the DS one, at least, did well, considering they made a follow up.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I feel bad for the people who expect PSO2 to save this system

I remember gamecube getting that treatment

 

[DCharlie]

I'm certain they are not in a hurry, today showed that. At the same time every week 3DS will continue to sell 60-70K. Developers are not stupid - why make a game for a system with such limited userbase, esp. compared to 3DS?

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.

With the 3DS, Nintendo went for the kill, they secured not just the DS audience and the kinds of games the DS got, but also the PSP's audience and all of ITS corresponding third party support.

again - this keeps getting wheeled out and there is ZERO evidence for it. ZERO.
Unless there is some sort of mass poll akin to "did you own a PSP and now bought a 3DS but aren't going to buy a Vita because the games you want are now all on the 3DS?" that i missed?

 

[snap0212]

What can be done? They won't just show major games on a webcast... that's ridiculous do expect.

It's not. They don't have to show everything but at least a sign that third-party developers/publishers are supporting the Vita. Just a short teaser with two seconds of gameplay would have been more than enough to show everyone that there's support behind the platform. What they did here seems really desperate to me.

 

[nickcv]

What can be done? They won't just show major games on a webcast... that's ridiculous do expect.

They could announce some live event for before the TGS and announce some games there, but, when? Isn't the games that be out until there sufficient for the low bar Sony is setting for Vita?

i agree, but they could have had a real conference with the press and whatnot...

wait for E3 / TGS i don't think it's a smart business decision...

 

[gofreak]

No offence taken, but with it experiencing rather sluggish sales in Japan at the moment (that's being generous) and with a strong competitor dominating week in, week out, surely there is some value in getting good word out *before* higher-profile events?

Maybe they've got a stack of great first- and third-party titles in development that they want to blow the roof off with at E3 or TGS, but there must be *some* benefit in dropping a few of those now to give potential buyers confidence in the system and to generate some hype, even it means a less explosive conference three months from now?

They don't necessarily have control over that. I can't imagine Capcom throwing out a MH announcement (for example) or Square Enix doing their stuff in a webcast like this.

But your first paragraph gets to the point - in media create land of week-by-week monitoring of weakening Vita sales, it's easy to develop a sense of urgency, that leads to people inflating their expectations about stuff like this or what the goal is of stuff like this. To put too much pressure on these things. I think SCEJ has a slightly longer term view but even if they WANTED to throw everything out there, they don't necessarily have the say on that.

 

[Risk Breaker]

They should sell that Persona Vita that Hashino was using on the Persona vid

 

[lazybones18]

　Password for all the videos: ありがとうまたみてね


Enter it here: https://www.jp.playstation.com/sys/vita/YTcampaign/form.cgi


*Wins a vita*

Sorry, not found

 

[darkwing]

just when you think SCEJ can't do much worse

 

[Hayeya]

Looks at the announcements,
Looks at the calendar,
Realizes that its Not the 1st of April yet,
Looks at the announcements again,
Realizes its not a joke,
Commits Suicide

 

[Alrus]

I suppose Im getting confused here. I could have sworn that I have seen Phantasy star games sell hundreds of thousands of copies on PSP. Is that not Phantasy Star Online games?

Those weren't the same as the online games. They had no fees, and probably were helped by the fact that the MH fans already owned the platform.

Previous Phantasy Star Online games (on DC and GC) did around 180K each I think.

 

[Hasemo]

　Password for all the videos: ありがとうまたみてね


Enter it here: https://www.jp.playstation.com/sys/vita/YTcampaign/form.cgi


*Wins a vita*

And you only need a valid Japanese mobile phone number and address.

 

[frostbyte]

I always assumed the DS one, at least, did well, considering they made a follow up.

Considering how little effort and resources Ubisoft put into it, it probably was quite profitable even with how little it sold.

 

[Hoo-doo]

The melodrama in some of the posts in here is extremely entertaining.

But yeah, Sony didn't "wow" anyone with this. Better luck next time.

 

[mclem]

Can I suggest that the "Welcome" in the title be changed to "Welcome to die"?

 

[jgmo870]

This argument made infinitely more sense with the DS.
With the 3DS, Nintendo went for the kill, they secured not just the DS audience and the kinds of games the DS got, but also the PSP's audience and all of ITS corresponding third party support.

Assumptions not backed with any evidence. A recent example: Good People Die. The 3DS version's sales weren't drastically higher than the Vita's version despite the large gap between the userbase size.

 

[Erethian]

I suppose Im getting confused here. I could have sworn that I have seen Phantasy star games sell hundreds of thousands of copies on PSP. Is that not Phantasy Star Online games?

The Portable games are different from PSO.

Unfortunately Garaph is down so I can't get the Japanese sales data, but the series wasn't historically a big seller until Portable came out and tapped into the MH vein.

Of course PSO could have been real big in western markets, I haven't looked that up.

 

[Principate]

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.

Price cut and 3DLand/ MK7 all but assured the success of 3DS. It's sold what at least 10 million worldwide not including based on those factors alone. It would have sold well in Japan regardless and Capcom knew this. The Vita has no such games. Nintendo also has Pokemon. Their situations aren't even remotely comparable.

 

[snap0212]

Can I suggest that the "Welcome" in the title be changed to "Welcome to die"?

It was pre-recorded so everyone was already dead.

 

[guek]

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.



again - this keeps getting wheeled out and there is ZERO evidence for it. ZERO.

You really don't think Sony is in a worse position at the moment?

Also, while I do think it's debatable whether or not the 3DS has converted the PSP audience, I'm curious what evidence for this might even look like. Are shittastic vita/psp sales in japan and strong 3DS sales not proof enough?

 

[Kazerei]

Dammit, I woke up late, what did I miss?

*reads OP*

Oh ok. PSO2 is cool. Back to bed now.

 

[pramath]

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.

I think it was you I had the discussion with, when I made a comment about the slew of announcements 'Doomed Nintendo' was making, making them the best Nintendo.
You were the one who pointed out that every single announcement 'doomed' Nintendo made- major first party games, eShop, system functionality, third party games- everything had probably been planned for from the beginning, and its timing just happened to coincide with the 3DS's woes on the market. Everything except for the price drop was a predetermined move, you said.

But now I see you arguing, at least by implication, the opposite for the Vita. If there IS major third party support for the Vita, where is it? Why do we not have any footage, streams, screenshots, logos, anything? Wouldn't this imply a LACK of third party support?
And given that scenario, would anyone really want to buy a system with LITERALLY NO GAMES, no matter how cheap it is?

 

[gkryhewy]

I understand your apprehension, but really, let's look at it this way:
Series like Assassins Creed and Call of Duty are quite literally whored out to the fullest. They appear on every system in existence.

Then where's AC and MW3 for 3DS? No, they release on platforms that can be expected to generate a worthwhile ROI. It's not a charity.

 

[mclem]

I always assumed the DS one, at least, did well, considering they made a follow up.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Curious, then.

Wasn't the DS one a PoP-esque 2D platformer rather than a 'true' AC game? I seem to remember screenshots from an age ago.

 

[jump_button]

if it anything like the Pre TGS Vita thing I'm keeping way I don't need 2 hours of talking about and only show 5 sec clip 1 hour and half in

EDIT oh wait that it? so most or less no big news then?

 

[nickcv]

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.



again - this keeps getting wheeled out and there is ZERO evidence for it. ZERO.
Unless there is some sort of mass poll akin to "did you own a PSP and now bought a 3DS but aren't going to buy a Vita because the games you want are now all on the 3DS?" that i missed?

DCharlie you perfectly know that while 3DS launch wasn't good, the console wasn't selling anywhere near the horrid vita numbers we see now...

 

[AceBandage]

So wait, nothing was announced besides PSO2?
The fuck...

 

[Nibel]

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PSO2 is great news to me since I ordered my Vita and will play this with my big brother. But I would have loved another new announcement.

 

[jonno394]

Assumptions not backed with any evidence. A recent example: Good People Die. The 3DS version's sales weren't drastically higher than the Vita's version despite the large gap between the userbase size.

Combined the sales matched more or less the first week for 999, so it could just show teh fanbase for the first game are split between vita and 3ds

 

[Castor Krieg]

Assumptions not backed with any evidence. A recent example: Good People Die. The 3DS version's sales weren't drastically higher than the Vita's version despite the large gap between the userbase size.

You mean the game that sold 15K on 3DS and 13K on Vita? That game?

 

[pramath]

Assumptions not backed with any evidence. A recent example: Good People Die. The 3DS version's sales weren't drastically higher than the Vita's version despite the large gap between the userbase size.

Not backed with any evidence?
Look at sales for Monster Hunter. Look at sales for Resident Evil. These are the kinds of games that would have sold on the PSP, experiencing similar sales on the 3DS.
I mean, the argument that the 3DS has failed to capture the DS audience can be made much better than the argument that it failed to capture the PSP market, given the 'failure' of games like Nintendogs+Cats, but even that argument goes flying out the window when one considers sales of games like, say, the latest Professor Layton.

Good People Die was hardly a good example, even the original 999 bombed in Japan.

 

[DCharlie]

You really don't think Sony is in a worse position at the moment?

I didn't say that they weren't in a worse position.

Also, while I do think it's debatable whether or not the 3DS has converted the PSP audience, I'm curious what evidence for this might even look like. Are shittastic vita/psp sales in japan and strong 3DS sales not proof enough?

PSP sales are shit tastic ? It was the strongest selling platform full stop last year wasn't it?

Whilst it's trending down now, the games are still selling well so it's not like PSP support is going to be a problem.

I honestly think more of the problem for sony is getting people to convert up rather than the 3DS. I don't think there's many people jumping over personally, but again - i can't prove that either way either.

Said previously though - it WILL happen come MH4 though. So sony have a clock to beat for sure. It's DEFINITELY going to happen then, without question.

u mean the game that sold 15K on 3DS and 13K on Vita? That game?

with 5.x million users vs 540k - yes. that one. Though i agree it's not a paritcularly great example.

Look at sales for Monster Hunter. Look at sales for Resident Evil. These are the kinds of games that would have sold on the PSP, experiencing similar sales on the 3DS.

the last two monster hunter games (excluding the Airou stuff) sold over 4 million copies. MH3G did very well, but it's not anywhere close to the PSP sales. Just clarifying that point as it also keeps coming up. If anything - it's trending closer to how the Wii version did.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Guess the Nikkei rumor wasnt so wrong after all.

Where is the 3rd Party Support ? I expected Phantasy Star Victory for Vita :-/
What happened to the new Miku Hatsune title ? i thought it was pretty much a sure thing to be announced.


It reall sucks that they havent even edited some real trailers for the shown titles. They have to do better especially when everyone will compare it with Nintendo Directs showing.

 

[Spiegel]

They don't necessarily have control over that. I can't imagine Capcom throwing out a MH announcement (for example) or Square Enix doing their stuff in a webcast like this.

But your first paragraph gets to the point - in media create land of week-by-week monitoring of weakening Vita sales, it's easy to develop a sense of urgency, that leads to people inflating their expectations about stuff like this or what the goal is of stuff like this. To put too much pressure on these things. I think SCEJ has a slightly longer term view but even if they WANTED to throw everything out there, they don't necessarily have the say on that.

The facts are that Vita will be selling <10k soon, worse than the PS3 was selling, that we can confidently say that neither Sony nor a third party have a big game planned in the next five-six months because if it did exist it would be announced by now and that the announced line up for these next six months is awful. And if the lineup is awful the system will continue tanking.

But okay we can live in the lala world and think that maybe there are big games coming this year and for some reason Sony and third parties decided not to announce them last E3, last TGS or today. But they decided to show a Inafune promise, a SRW promise and a 2013 game.

 

[pramath]

Then where's AC and MW3 for 3DS? No, they release on platforms that can be expected to generate a worthwhile ROI. It's not a charity.

Both coming this year? At least I am positive there will be a Call of Duty 3DS. I can't be sure about Assassin's Creed though.
But remember, the system only proved itself viable in the west a couple of months ago. Expect western third parties to respond accordingly soon.

Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Curious, then.

Wasn't the DS one a PoP-esque 2D platformer rather than a 'true' AC game? I seem to remember screenshots from an age ago.

Yeah, the DS one was a platformer. Same with the sequel, but the sequel I always considered to be more like Sonic the Hedgehog than anything.
The second game was actually pretty good, the first one was meh.

 

[Erethian]

So why did they even bother supporting 3DS ?

Capcom made the decission to support the 3DS when there was no userbase at all, many will have done the same at this point in time.

*IF* major support does dwindle then you'll see a knee jerk price drop EXACTLY the same as with the 3DS.

We JUST LIVED THROUGH THIS WITH THE 3DS.

Well I'd assume because it was the follow-up to the best-selling handheld of all time.

The problem I see for Sony is that they're obviously willing to talk about games that aren't releasing this year, and so far this is the best they have to show.

Which wouldn't be an issue except for the fact they decided to launch a year after the 3DS and that userbase gap is only getting bigger, which isn't helped when the Vita hardware sales in Japan are as terrible as they are right now. At a certain point the userbase gulf gets so big that third-parties decide to focus their efforts on that much bigger audience.

It's why the PS2 crushed the Gamecube and Xbox. Again, a system that launched well ahead of its competitors.

Well... except for the Dreamcast.

 

[mclem]

With the 3DS, Nintendo went for the kill, they secured not just the DS audience and the kinds of games the DS got, but also the PSP's audience and all of ITS corresponding third party support

again - this keeps getting wheeled out and there is ZERO evidence for it. ZERO.

The third party support part does at least appear somewhat true, and I'd assume that a *reason* it has the third party support is because those third parties *believe* it's capable of getting the PSP's audience.

At what point does that become a self-fulfilling prophecy?

 

[darkwing]

looks like there will be a price cut soon or else sub 5k numbers lol

 

[Tempy]

How well did Phantasy Star Universe do?