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[Garjon]

Well then you must not want them to have sequels for those new IPs and continue on making new IPs since the new IPs would have a slim chance of doing well releasing so late into this current gen.

Why exactly would releasing a big, new game in the console's final years automatically doom it to failure? These are the sort of titles that bridge the gap between current gen and next gen and the swansong status will only help that title to do well. A good push late in the generation can really help set up for the next one.

Halo 4 is the swansong

So Microsoft aren't going to release a big game for a full year before they release their next console (at least) and you're happy with that? This sort of thing is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

No I am not. I am dismissing the point that we should be satisfied by the idea that Microsoft shouldn't bother to create any new franchises or that we should even be laughed at for thinking it. I am dismissing the idea that I should be satisfied with three sequels to FPSes, an overflowing genre as it is and a sequel to Assassin's Creed. And I am dismissing the idea that just because a company is nearing the end of it's cycle, I shouldn't expect much more effort on their behalf.

No, I don't care about Kinect, I do care about XBLA-esque titles; in my opinion neither would be likely to keep me satisfied for a full year, especially considering how they tend to appear on Steam for cheaper a few months later anyway.

And yet so many people will be satisfied with the games that struggle to satisfy you. You can't please everyone. Would I like a couple of new IP's to drop this year? Sure. The more games the better. But you've known for years that their first party line-up isn't as strong as Sony's so where did you expect these brand new games to come from? They've started/acquired more studios than I can remember in the last year or two and set aside £300 million to licence new core products but of course the fruits of most of that likely won't be seen until next gen, which is just the nature of the beast. It isn't an indication of a lack of effort. It doesn't indicate a lack of variety (especially when you dismiss a great deal of said variety because you don't like it). It's just being realistic. Would setting aside a couple of those studios to make 1 or 2 new 360 exclusives this year that might appeal to you amongst the dozens of other great games really make that much of a difference?

At this point, when 90% of (none portable/Wii U) console games released this year and shown at E3 will be available for the 360, the aforementioned exclusive titles are going to satisfy a lot of people who don't rely entirely on third party content. If you have no interest in them, that is unfortunate for you. I'm not saying the line-up is stellar, just that at this point it is enough to satisfy a lot of others. But at this point I'm ready to move on from this generation anyway, so the more effort they put into 720 software the better.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm just extra confusing today eh? I started out ignoring them yes, as that's the point of my question. My second quote there was taking a moment to include them just for discussion.

Just go with this one, as you did.

Non-gamers is your question... then no, I wouldn't recommend any gaming system to them. Why? Because they don't play games and I've seen non-gamers even trying to start a Blu-ray with a DS3. It's comical, they didn't even know how to turn the controller on.

My previous post still stands:

I wouldn't recommend any gaming system at that point. I would tell them to get a stand alone Blu-ray player for $99 bucks with Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon video built in.

 

[Jafku]

This is poor reasoning or you assign an very low value to your time. Live has an incredibly low cost. Having everything I use be consolidated in 1 ever-improving device/services is probably worth at least 10x the cost of live to me.

What? but there are options where you don't have to pay a fee on top of the netflix/hulu/hbo subscription

 

[smug]

OMFG are they going to show me the new interface to use the Kinect so I can navigate, watch and post NUADS that are waaay cool to my social accounts??!?!? HOLY FUCKING SH!T AM SOO HYPED!!!!!!! I love paying for Xbox Live GOLD!!!

This service is going to be my new social status which will put me into a new stratosphere! Anyone who thinks otherwise is just plan fooling themselves. Microsoft is going to sooo own E3..

lol @Wii U.. What's the next Wii going to be called, Wii U them, Wii U me, Wii U I, Wii U pooh? hahahahahaha

 

[Garjon]

And yet so many people will be satisfied with the games that struggle to satisfy you. You can't please everyone. Would I like a couple of new IP's to drop this year? Sure. The more games the better. But you've known for years that their first party line-up isn't as strong as Sony's so where did you expect these brand new games to come from? They've started/acquired more studios than I can remember in the last year or two and set aside £300 million to licence new core products but of course the fruits of most of that likely won't be seen until next gen, which is just the nature of the beast. It isn't an indication of a lack of effort. It doesn't indicate a lack of variety (especially when you dismiss a great deal of said variety because you don't like it). It's just being realistic. Would setting aside a couple of those studios to make 1 or 2 new 360 exclusives this year that might appeal to you amongst the dozens of other great games really make that much of a difference?

At this point, when 90% of (none portable/Wii U) console games released this year and shown at E3 will be available for the 360, the aforementioned exclusive titles are going to satisfy a lot of people who don't rely entirely on third party content. If you have no interest in them, that is unfortunate for you.

It would certainly make a difference, but that's not my point. I was replying to that poster who thought the idea of wanting more effort from the people who make my console in it's latter year(s) was laughable. Maybe the variety will be there. In all likelihood though, the third parties won't introduce anything new late into the gen so it's up to the console manufacturer to ensure these titles are made. If MS want people like me to buy their consoles (believe it or not, it's still an untapped market for them) then they have at least have a shot at this.

And I dismiss Kinect because I (and again, many others) don't consider it a viable control method in its current form, but that's for another thread.

 

[NullPointer]

My previous post still stands:

And I'd agree. I was hoping somebody might show me the light or give me a little of what MS is smoking ;P

 

[Conor 419]

Why exactly would releasing a big, new game in the console's final years automatically doom it to failure? These are the sort of titles that bridge the gap between current gen and next gen and the swansong status will only help that title to do well. A good push late in the generation can really help set up for the next one.


So Microsoft aren't going to release a big game for a full year before they release their next console (at least) and you're happy with that? This sort of thing is exactly what I'm talking about.

Isn't it confirmed that we're going to see a new first party IP for the 360 this E3?

 

[Bgamer90]

Why exactly would releasing a big, new game in the console's final years automatically doom it to failure?

It wouldn't be automatically doomed to fail but it would be a really big risk to do. The game would compete alongside the popular 3rd party games as well as the big name exclusives.

The last few PS3 exclusives are good examples of that.

A good push late in the generation can really help set up for the next one.

..Or it could cause a good number of people to keep playing the old console when the new console is out due to the new console having nothing enticing to make the jump (as can be seen with the PS2 to PS3 transition).

A good number of new IP's early in a console's life adds on to the newness of the console itself. When the two come together it's an overall new/fresh experience.

So Microsoft aren't going to release a big game for a full year before they release their next console (at least) and you're happy with that? This sort of thing is exactly what I'm talking about.

I'm happy playing 3rd party games. To me, games are games. Don't really care if they are exclusive or not. My friends are on the 360 and on top of that I have a pretty decent backlog.

Halo 4 is definitely part of the "swan song"... I expect maybe one or two new exclusive IPs but nothing really more than that. Nothing close to the rate of the PS3 these past 2 years or so.

 

[Uno Venova]

Isn't it confirmed that we're going to see a new first party IP for the 360 this E3?

I never heard of that, is it Kinect?

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

It would certainly make a difference, but that's not my point. I was replying to that poster who thought the idea of wanting more effort from the people who make my console in it's latter year(s) was laughable. Maybe the variety will be there. In all likelihood though, the third parties won't introduce anything new late into the gen so it's up to the console manufacturer to ensure these titles are made. If MS want people like me to buy their consoles (believe it or not, it's still an untapped market for them) then they have at least have a shot at this.

And I dismiss Kinect because I (and again, many others) don't consider it a viable control method in its current form, but that's for another thread.

Well I agree, wanting more first party content of course isn't laughable. But the hyperbole goes both ways in this thread. Like I said, the line-up isn't stellar this year. But it certainly isn't "garbage" either other than in subjective cases where you unfortunately dislike everything they are providing.

 

[Garjon]

It wouldn't be automatically doomed to fail but it would be a really big risk to do. The game would compete alongside the popular 3rd party games as well as the big name exclusives.

The last few PS3 exclusives are good examples of that.

The last few PS3 exclusives are all sequels, apart from that zombie one by ND; sequels to games that were not all so well received critically and/or commercially(obviously you don't mean UC3) and besides, they were all announced some time ago. You are also ignoring that a lot of late PS1 games received updated, simultaneous releases on PS2. I don't think it did that platform too much harm. In fact, I'd say that is what got gamers to buy a PS2 so they could play these games.

..Or it could cause a good number of people to keep playing the old console when the new console is out due to the new console having nothing enticing to make the jump (as can be seen with the PS2 to PS3 transition).

Of course that is a risk, but if Microsoft have nothing enticing for the next generation then they are the most incompetent businessmen in the world.

A good number of new IP's early in a console's life adds on to the newness of the console itself. When the two come together it's an overall new/fresh experience.

Exactly. And having a successful new game release in the previous gen's is just as powerful a factor, in a 'look what we can do with this franchise now' sort of fashion.

I'm happy playing 3rd party games. To me, games are games. Don't really care if they are exclusive or not. My friends are on the 360 and on top of that I have a pretty decent backlog.

There is nothing wrong with this, nor does it contradict what I've already said.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

And I'd agree. I was hoping somebody might show me the light or give me a little of what MS is smoking ;P

MS has always and Sony to a point been chasing the lost Wii customer. Now that the generation is over my guess is that MS wants the current system to keep selling and this obviously won't be because of games. Every game company is going to move to next gen systems. So they are building up the machine to play all the current games released since 2005 and then add a bunch of media things to it so that they can push it as a cheap system once next gen really takes off.

They want a combination of the PS2 afterlife with the past Wii consumer is my guess.

 

[Krev]

I'd love to see a modern console with 8/16-bit sensibility. Insert game, push start, play immediately with no disruption from achievements, friends, etc. AKA cut out the bullshit!

...Wii?

It's funny reading some of the reactions in here while realizing how little it all means in the real world.

In reality, most people don't buy more than 10 games for a console. If joe blow can't find 10 games worth buying on his or her 360 I'll eat my hat.

Even on GAF, the majority complain about massive backlogs, yet you complain there aren't enough new games coming?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. For a 360 only owner, there's Halo 4, Assassins Creed 3, BLOPS 2 and Bioshock Infinite all coming within a month of each other. What, that's not enough? You need more games to buy and sit on a shelf?

This is somewhat true right now, as Xbox 360 has after seven years likely hit saturation point with enthusiast gamers, but its a dangerous mentality for the long run. Marginalizing the console's gaming features and line-up could bite Microsoft in the butt in the next gen.

My question related to non-gamers, ie. people looking for an all in one media device. Why is almost everybody missing this?

Of course the system is good for gamers, especially multiplayer gamers. But once you take gaming out of the equation and focus on media capabilities it can't compete with the alternatives.

Exactly. No matter how hard Microsoft push Xbox as a 'convergence device', it's still greatly lacking in this area. The concept of a fixed living room set-top box like an Xbox being the ultimate media device looks very outdated now.

How well do single player games play on that?

The audience being described are likely satisfied with the games on their phones.

 

[Satchel]

Because this gen is not over? Because I want them to actually put some effort into their console in it's latter days rather than not bothering like they did with the Xbox 1? Because I'd want them to at least try to release something different for the people who have spent a fair amount of money on their console? Is there really nowhere between 'balls out' and a reliancy on 3rd parties? Or perhaps they would want to remain No. 1?

And holy fucking shit at your 'the region they care about' comment. Seriously, do you honestly think that Microsoft are happy that they are not selling as strongly in other regions to the point where they won't invest to try and bring that region to their side?

Soooooooo because you're choosing to ignore their first party releases on both the retail and XBLA side, they suck and should only worry about you?

Fact is, Halo 4 alone, will most likely outsell everything this Christmas bar BLOPS 2, all while Forza kicks some ass of its own, and CoD and Assassins Creed continue to find a defecto home on their console.

Again, ignoring all the great exclusives on XBLA and the kinect stuff, some of which will be at least decent.

MS will more than likely be saving the GAF jizzworthy stuff for next gen.

As to your region comment, yeah, I'd wager that at this stage of he game, MS is content with turning a profit on every console sold worldwide, and being number 1 in two of the 3 biggest selling countries. Sorry if that offends you.

I'm Australian so where the Xbox is currently outselling its competition is neither here nor there because I don't think it's outselling anything here. I already have too many games for mine so most newer multiplats are being bought on my PS3 now.

 

[NullPointer]

MS has always and Sony to a point been chasing the lost Wii customer. Now that the generation is over my guess is that MS wants the current system to keep selling and this obviously won't be because of games. Every game company is going to move to next gen systems. So they are building up the machine to play all the current games released since 2005 and then add a bunch of media things to it so that they can push it as a cheap system once next gen really takes off.

They want a combination of the PS2 afterlife with the past Wii consumer is my guess.

This makes some good sense, at least in terms of what MS would like to see. Thanks.

 

[elcranky]

What? but there are options where you don't have to pay a fee on top of the netflix/hulu/hbo subscription

Did you not read my post? The cost is utterly trivial. You missed the 2nd most important APP ESPN3. Those other devices/options don't play games nor do they have voice search. It baffles me why people object to paying for service.

 

[Bgamer90]

The last few PS3 exclusives are all sequels, apart from that zombie one by ND; sequels to games that were not all so well received critically and/or commercially(obviously you don't mean UC3) and besides, they were all announced some time ago.

That's true but again, many got overshadowed by more popular/more established current gen games that were released during the same time.

You are also ignoring that a lot of late PS1 games received updated, simultaneous releases on PS2. I don't think it did that platform too much harm. In fact, I'd say that is what got gamers to buy a PS2 so they could play these games.

With game budgets being more now, it's a bigger risk now than it was back then. Don't get me wrong, I definitely see where you are coming from but times are different. There's less variety when it comes to new retail IPs. There isn't as much in between "AAA" and "bargain bin material" as there was in previous gens.

Of course that is a risk, but if Microsoft have nothing enticing for the next generation then they are the most incompetent businessmen in the world.

Of course, which is why I've said that it's better to have new IPs with the new console which I'm pretty sure they will especially since the more serious gamers buy consoles during the early part of a gen.

There is nothing wrong with this, nor does it contradict what I've already said.

I was replying to you asking "Are you happy with that?". And to be honest I am... I'm content with what I'm playing now along with the 3rd party games that I'm interested in that will be coming out in the future.

 

[elcranky]

If I can ask, what are the consolidated services outside of gaming that the Xbox excels at compared to the competition?

Netflix, ESPN3, Hulu, UFC, HBO and whatever else you like. I will say that netflix made a horrible decision when they changed the interface with the new dash. Morever, excellence doesn't even have to enter the equation as convenience trumps all.

 

[Bgamer90]

(MS) wants a combination of the PS2 afterlife with the past Wii consumer is my guess.

Exactly. That's exactly how they want the 360 to be once the new xbox comes out.

 

[JaggedSac]

And I'd agree. I was hoping somebody might show me the light or give me a little of what MS is smoking ;P

I thought you knew the answer to your own question. There is no reason to suggest an XBox to a non-gamer if all they are wanting is the media services. That is what MS is trying to rectify. Provide enough incentive to get gamers and non-gamers alike on board. Will be hard to do with the Gold barrier involved, but they might have something up their sleeve. Perhaps a video subscription service, plus music subscription service, plus multiplayer all under the umbrella of a single subscription service that is $15 a month.

 

[NullPointer]

I thought you knew the answer to your own question. There is no reason to suggest an XBox to a non-gamer if all they are wanting is the media services. That is what MS is trying to rectify. Provide enough incentive to get gamers and non-gamers alike on board. Will be hard to do with the Gold barrier involved, but they might have something up their sleeve. Perhaps a video subscription service, plus music subscription service, plus multiplayer all under the umbrella of a single subscription service that is $15 a month.

Hmm, that would make me perk up my ears.

And yeah, I felt I had the answer but I really wanted to see it from another perspective. Honestly elcranky you're the only person I know of with that point of view so its one I hadn't heard before.

Edit: Oh.

 

[Punchpudding]

I honestly didn't realize there was so much MS first party love here on GAF...

I think there is a difference in strategies and business models here that both have value.

MS is moving toward the model similar to Windows, iOS, and Android: create a networked and competitive environment for developers to publish their work. At its extreme, resources are focused on building up the platform to be as attractive to developers as possible so good future games will land (or even originate) on that platform. The quality and quantity of good games produced will attract customers but the challenge is accommodating game developers.

At the other end is to create exclusive content so amazing that people have to buy into the platform to play it. Resources are split between developing the platform and the content to live on the platform. As more people buy in, other developers will join. This is Nintendo's bread and butter. The challenge here is trying to create that masterpiece(s) that will bring as many people on board as possible.

Both are legitimate in my eyes and I find it hard to fault a company for leaning either way.

 

[Raoh]

When it comes to services. Do people think these are going to stay exclusive?

Netflix was the bees knees when it was solely on xbox, now its on wii and ps3 no one cares. (and the interface is better on apple tv and ps3)

Amazon video will come to xbox.

anyone actually believe hbo go will be an xbox only thing?

An X360 will still get exclusives while a underpowered computer won't.

PC + PS3 gives me best of both worlds but another reason why I don't need a 360 is because the PC, even an under powered one, has sooooooooo many exclusives that you won't see on the console.

Maybe they shouldn't be called exclusives since its not about who paid who for it to be exclusive or timed but there are a lot of PC only games that enough to keep you busy for years.

Outside of a few third party multiplatform games I got cheat (just cause 2 for $2.99, Splinter Cell Conviction for $0.99) the majority of my pc games are exclusively on the pc.

PS3 has many of the same games the 360 does plus an extensive exclusive library. If you didn't want Playstation games you didn't want the PS3.

Because the 360 still has more games than I have time to even think of playing... even if you don't use Kinect (I do though).

I like my PS3 (and Wii) as well, but the 360 has always (and still does) have more games that I am interested in buying and playing. In fact, I currently have more games for my Vita than I do PS3 and I don't really see that changing based on games coming out this year.

The last two years have been "awful" for MS/X360 in what way... should they care more about satisfying the tiny audience who watches E3 and rates the various companies based on hype, or actual sales?

Tough argument. I came to neogaf in hopes of discussions about games not sales.

Hell, everyone talks about sony being third and ms winning, which makes no sense. State it as it is.

Nintendo won.
MS came in second.
Sony came in third.

It's funny reading some of the reactions in here while realizing how little it all means in the real world.

In reality, most people don't buy more than 10 games for a console. If joe blow can't find 10 games worth buying on his or her 360 I'll eat my hat.

Even on GAF, the majority complain about massive backlogs, yet you complain there aren't enough new games coming?

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. For a 360 only owner, there's Halo 4, Assassins Creed 3, BLOPS 2 and Bioshock Infinite all coming within a month of each other. What, that's not enough? You need more games to buy and sit on a shelf?

This, but it goes both ways.

When I discuss how many exclusives there are, many throw in xbla which I can counter psn.

But those are supplements not a reason/mainstay. You don't buy a console for its psn/xbla line up, at least not until next gen. If you do then, iOS wins.

If you bought a 360 for halo and madden then your in luck, plenty of xbla games for you to try.

If you bought a ps3 for uncharted and madden then your in luck, plenty or psn games for you to try.

But if its about third party games which is mentioned often, why buy a console that charges me when I can play those games on my free to play ps3 or soon to be hd wiiU?

"because they run better"

non gaffers/game site gamers don't know that. None of the casual gamers know this unless we hardcore fanboys tell them and start a war.

I can play all those games you mentioned on my ps3 except for halo. And to be honest I really don't care about any of the titles you just mentioned.

But I do agree that people complain about not enough games when even the wii has games to play. hell the complaints about the vita are the same, I myself have so much to play on the vita not including the psp games I never played that asking for a new game is ridiculous.

 

[ii Stryker]

Just watched the BonusRound where he says that. Not real happy about it but its expected.

The core games will be there just not a lot from MS...Halo 4 is really all they need.

 

[InaudibleWhispa]

When I discuss how many exclusives there are, many throw in xbla which I can counter psn.

But those are supplements not a reason/mainstay. You don't buy a console for its psn/xbla line up, at least not until next gen. If you do then, iOS wins.

You are underestimating Live Arcade massively. It's, for me, the best thing to come out of this generation. There are so many good titles that vary in scale, ambition, genre and content that match, and in many cases better retail releases. Trials Evolution may be one of the most feature packed games this generation, with the most powerful level editor this side of Little Big Planet 2. I would absolutely buy a 360 if it had nothing but Xbox Live Arcade.

 

[Conor 419]

I think the Wii60 combo of early gen >>>>>>>> the PS3/PC combo of late gen. 2007 alone is a testament to this.

Microsoft may not be doing much for the core gamer in terms of retail right now, but XBLA is phenomenally strong and we haven't even scratched the surface of games like Class3 yet.

 

[jagowar]

You are underestimating Live Arcade massively. It's, for me, the best thing to come out of this generation. There are so many good titles that vary in scale, ambition, genre and content that match, and in many cases better retail releases. Trials Evolution may be one of the most feature packed games this generation, with the most powerful level editor this side of Little Big Planet 2. I would absolutely buy a 360 if it had nothing but Xbox Live Arcade.

Agreed.... I have about 5x more live arcade games than retail discs this generation. I have found the value proposition on live arcade games is much much greater than retail discs which is part of the reason I think some disc based games have tried to shoehorn other modes into discs because they know the value isn't there when things like live arcade exist.

Personally I really hope we get to a day where everything is released on live arcade and go to episodic release schedule where self contained episodes/chapters come out every other month. That to me is a far better way to play story driven single player/coop games because it keeps me coming back for more. I know multiplayer would take some experimentation though to figure out how to best solve the recurring $ issues but I'm sure they could figure out something.

 

[Satchel]

This, but it goes both ways.

When I discuss how many exclusives there are, many throw in xbla which I can counter psn.

But those are supplements not a reason/mainstay. You don't buy a console for its psn/xbla line up, at least not until next gen. If you do then, iOS wins.

If you bought a 360 for halo and madden then your in luck, plenty of xbla games for you to try.

If you bought a ps3 for uncharted and madden then your in luck, plenty or psn games for you to try.

But if its about third party games which is mentioned often, why buy a console that charges me when I can play those games on my free to play ps3 or soon to be hd wiiU?

"because they run better"

non gaffers/game site gamers don't know that. None of the casual gamers know this unless we hardcore fanboys tell them and start a war.

I can play all those games you mentioned on my ps3 except for halo. And to be honest I really don't care about any of the titles you just mentioned.

But I do agree that people complain about not enough games when even the wii has games to play. hell the complaints about the vita are the same, I myself have so much to play on the vita not including the psp games I never played that asking for a new game is ridiculous.

Well my post was talking about 360 only owners.

See, this is where posters give away their agendas.

If you're a 360 only owner, the console has more games than one person could have the time to play. With over 50% of that library now being at a great discount price. So why would you need MS to add to your backlog 18 months before the new xbox comes out?

If you own multiple consoles, then what would your problem be? You have other options. MS not satisfying you? Then play your PS3, Wii or PC.

Why whinge about it?

 

[OldJadedGamer]

You are underestimating Live Arcade massively. It's, for me, the best thing to come out of this generation. There are so many good titles that vary in scale, ambition, genre and content that match, and in many cases better retail releases. Trials Evolution may be one of the most feature packed games this generation, with the most powerful level editor this side of Little Big Planet 2. I would absolutely buy a 360 if it had nothing but Xbox Live Arcade.

I've actually bought double the amount of games for XBLA this year than I have 360 retail, PS3 retail, and PSN. I almost play XBLA exclusively lately. I don't understand the whole "if it isn't retail, its crap" crowd.

 

[EvB]

Well my post was talking about 360 only owners.

See, this is where posters give away their agendas.

If you're a 360 only owner, the console has more games than one person could have the time to play. With over 50% of that library now being at a great discount price. So why would you need MS to add to your backlog 18 months before the new xbox comes out?

If you own multiple consoles, then what would your problem be? You have other options. MS not satisfying you? Then play your PS3, Wii or PC.

Why whinge about it?

hear Hear!

That's my thoughts on it too, only owning a PC ,3DS and 360 means that I literally have more games than I can physically fit around the rest of my work and social life.

You know what, it would be great if Microsoft invested a shit load of cash into some random studio, but to be honest, what will that achieve that a 3rd party multi platform publisher can't?

 

[King_Moc]

If you're a 360 only owner, the console has more games than one person could have the time to play. With over 50% of that library now being at a great discount price. So why would you need MS to add to your backlog 18 months before the new xbox comes out?

So, you're saying they could just not release ANY games for a year and a half? And that would be fine?

 

[Uno Venova]

Well my post was talking about 360 only owners.

See, this is where posters give away their agendas.

If you're a 360 only owner, the console has more games than one person could have the time to play. With over 50% of that library now being at a great discount price. So why would you need MS to add to your backlog 18 months before the new xbox comes out?

If you own multiple consoles, then what would your problem be? You have other options. MS not satisfying you? Then play your PS3, Wii or PC.

Why whinge about it?

Maybe I'm missing something but why exactly did you bring up what a 360 only owner has access too in response to the people "whining" in this thread.

 

[Jafku]

So, you're saying they could just not release ANY games for a year and a half? And that would be fine?

But it's not like developers would drop the 360 the instant the next one comes out.

 

[mozfan12]

Even with all this talk of 360 having no games, I still amazingly play games on it. Last month we had Fez, Trials Evolution, and Witcher 2, and this week we are getting minecraft. Not amazing but far from terrible. Halo 4, Summer of Arcade, and the rest of the multiplatforms should round out the year nicely.

Im fine with the MS going a more media/software approach especially at the end of era. I wil def be more skeptical if they continue this approach with their next box but Im pretty content with a wealth of excellent arcade games and multiplats.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

So, you're saying they could just not release ANY games for a year and a half? And that would be fine?

I would rather a first party concentrate on next gen and not last gen. I'm not saying 18 months but there are already a huge amount of first party published XBLA games announced.

Personally, this gen is dead to me. I'm buying a WiiU this year to hold me over until the online machines launch next year.

 

[Agent X]

Why exactly would releasing a big, new game in the console's final years automatically doom it to failure? These are the sort of titles that bridge the gap between current gen and next gen and the swansong status will only help that title to do well. A good push late in the generation can really help set up for the next one.

I think this is a really good point. In fact, this has been one of the complaints about Wii, in that Nintendo seems to be allowing the library to languish somewhat (especially on the downloadable side of things, which has been unbelievably dry the last few months) and that the transition to Wii U could stand to be smoother.

..Or it could cause a good number of people to keep playing the old console when the new console is out due to the new console having nothing enticing to make the jump (as can be seen with the PS2 to PS3 transition).

The strategy here is to maintain the momentum, ensuring that your core base remains fully interested in your brand in the lead-up to the release of the next-generation system. Dropping the ball late in the game means that gamers' eyes start wandering.

Anyway, since the topic was sparked by the notion of Microsoft emphasizing services...wouldn't this actually go against what you're saying? If the services are "good enough" through the current hardware, then why would people really care about getting a new and more expensive system?

I think having a collection of services is nice, but as others have pointed out, nearly none of these services are exclusive (certainly not the most compelling ones, anyway). Most can be accessed on PC, PS3, Roku, Apple TV, iOS, etc., and in many cases are equal or better on the competing platforms.

Another huge problem is that most of them are tucked away behind a paywall (Xbox Live). This is a turnoff for the casual consumer they're trying to attract, when they have to pay fee on top of fee. It actually costs more to get just a year of Xbox Live subscription, than it does to purchase the Roku hardware which doesn't require an ongoing service fee. I hope that Microsoft has some other way of making these services appeal to ordinary consumers who have little to no interest in the Xbox brand.

 

[Satchel]

So, you're saying they could just not release ANY games for a year and a half? And that would be fine?

But they're not doing that. That's the point. I think what they have coming is plenty given the context.

This is why I don't get the whining.

Maybe I'm missing something but why exactly did you bring up what a 360 only owner has access too in response to the people "whining" in this thread.

Because its directly related to the topic?

 

[cevansdust]

Neogaf app confirmed. Soon all the naysayers can complain from their xbox.

I'm sure micosoft has a lot to show off if they are going this route. Believe it or not they have been in the console industry for a bit and they seem to have a handle on what they are doing in some form. Cut them some slack. I might eat my words and will be more than happy to admit it, but they are going to have some reveals and big games. Mostly 3rd party as always. But this gen is winding down and I feel that its been painfully obvious that Halo 4 is there swan song and big game this year.

Nintendo and Sony will have much more in the way of games to show just because of their stacked 1st parties. You guys are acting surprised that Microsoft only has a few games. When was the last or first time they shipped more 1st party games then Sony or Nintendo? I bought my xbox for Halo. I love Halo. Hate all you want but that''s my taste and I'm getting Halo 4 this year. I would love more games as well, but who all owns an xbox and feels cheated by Microsoft at this point?

 

[Uno Venova]

But they're not doing that. That's the point. I think what they have coming is plenty given the context.

This is why I don't get the whining.

Because its directly related to the topic?

Somewhat related, but I don't understand why that example was used as a response to the people upset, and saying what the 360 has (for 360 only owners) isn't enough for the people ITT..was there something to indicate the people complain are 360 only owners?

 

[cevansdust]

People keep talking about the Paywall that is live. I understand that a lot of people hate it. I don't love it myself. Sure they are losing subscriptions here and there because consumers see the benefits of other platforms. But come on guys. Really? You keep saying that it hurts their rep in the eyes of consumers? Who? Neogaf consumers? A few of your friends that are gamers? The truth is that subscriptions are growing every year and other services have been free for years. So who is this hurting again? People are going to pay for it regardless of whether or not it is worth it because thats what people do.

People love to throw money at expensive clothes, food, and cars when they can get the same experience from cheaper and perhaps better products. The fact is that xbox live is going to gain even more features before the 720 launch to make it look like you are getting the top of the line experience again in the next cycle and people will buy into it and so will their friends. Once you get a group of friends on a single platform for multiplayer gaming, they have you right where they want you for the next year.

 

[Satchel]

Somewhat related, but I don't understand why that example was used as a response to the people upset, and saying what the 360 has (for 360 only owners) isn't enough for the people ITT..was there something to indicate the people complain are 360 only owners?

Well, given a 360 only owner would have more reason to whine over something like this, yeah.

Why would a multi console owner complain about microsofts lack of first party effort?

Play one of your other consoles if you're not happy. Or stop trolling. (not you specifically. )

 

[higherARC05]

HALO 4 will be the star of the day.

With Forza Horizon made by Playground Studios MS will have a good E3 showing.

 

[maquiladora]

People are going to pay for it regardless of whether or not it is worth it because thats what people do.

 

[Uno Venova]

Well, given a 360 only owner would have more reason to whine over something like this, yeah.

Why would a multi console owner complain about microsofts lack of first party effort?

Play one of your other consoles if you're not happy. Or stop trolling. (not you specifically. )

Ideally, it would be great if all the consoles one purchases has that effort in exclusives.

I'm sure that the people that aren't happy are playing other consoles, but I don't see why that should stop posting about their discontent.

 

[Satchel]

Ideally, it would be great if all the consoles one purchases has that effort in exclusives.

I'm sure that the people that aren't happy are playing other consoles, but I don't see why that should stop posting about their discontent.

Because like you said, they have other options.

It seems like whining over this is a terribly pointless exercise in both instances.

 

[eastmen]

I would assume there isn't much game stuff because they only have to last till e3 2013 when the xbox next is announced. So they really only need a year of titles and with halo 4 in the fall they don't actually need to much .

I rather they focus on year 1 and 2 xbox next titles

 

[Raoh]

You are underestimating Live Arcade massively. It's, for me, the best thing to come out of this generation. There are so many good titles that vary in scale, ambition, genre and content that match, and in many cases better retail releases. Trials Evolution may be one of the most feature packed games this generation, with the most powerful level editor this side of Little Big Planet 2. I would absolutely buy a 360 if it had nothing but Xbox Live Arcade.

I never said there weren't any. Most of my friends love their xbla games but it was more of a pleasant surprise to them, they did not buy a 360 for its xbla titles.

Which is why i said its a next gen selling point, xbla/psn games are becoming popular now with their current owners that announcements of next gen games from the makers braid, trials, journey, pixeljunk etc will be a selling point.

 

[Raoh]

Well my post was talking about 360 only owners.

See, this is where posters give away their agendas.

If you're a 360 only owner, the console has more games than one person could have the time to play. With over 50% of that library now being at a great discount price. So why would you need MS to add to your backlog 18 months before the new xbox comes out?

If you own multiple consoles, then what would your problem be? You have other options. MS not satisfying you? Then play your PS3, Wii or PC.

Why whinge about it?

What? All I said is that it goes both ways. I have a ps3 backlog, this is not including the pc which is another animal on its own.

As for games pre new console, ms has seen the ps2 sell well. And when the current gen started games were made for the ps3, 360 and......................... the ps2 with the same day and date release.

Expect games to get a ps4/720/ps3/360 day and date release.

Saying all the games you would ever want to play have been out and there need to be no more is a gaf/game site thing. Common gamers/consumers don't see it that way. If a person just bought a 360/ps3 not only do they have a nice library to pull from but new games is still something to get excited about. No one wants to buy a console that isn't going to be supported. They don't want to miss out on the next madden, call of duty, even if its gimped.

That's if ms plans to keep the 360 alive next gen. Might not be a part of their business model. They shut down the original xbox, primarily due to losses but, it worked out well for them, they may try to repeat the success by forcing migration to the next console.

I'm sure ms plans to make appealing trade your 360 toward a next gen console deals to promote fast early adoption.

 

[coldfoot]

Netflix, ESPN3, Hulu, UFC, HBO and whatever else you like. I will say that netflix made a horrible decision when they changed the interface with the new dash. Morever, excellence doesn't even have to enter the equation as convenience trumps all.

They are available on other streaming boxes like Apple TV and Roku and no one gives a crap about voice search. It's downright idiotic to pay for XBL if you're not going to play online. Buy a Roku or AppleTV and you don't have to spend hundreds of dollars to access your apps behind a paywall over the years. They will also be updated over the years.