So because other DD services do it they makes it okay?What do you expect? It's like every other DD service. This entire thing feels overblown.
Also guys, remember steamworks?
So you don't agree to the TOS, and so you can't buy RETAIL GAMES?
yep............
So because other DD services do it they makes it okay?
I'm new to this term, but those represent my feelings on the matter pretty well, and towards a lot more than just Steam.I'm pretty sure the doctrine of equitable unconscionability comes into play here. You agreed to a contract for services and paid money and then the other side unilaterally changed the terms of the contract with no remedy on your end.
Nope, these new terms of service mean shit for us.Does this apply to the EU.
It's not about it being OK, it's about expectations. I have faith that Valve isn't going to try to screw its customers over in overt ways, and don't expect that my account will be disabled anytime soon.So because other DD services do it they makes it okay?
I will not be concelling my games, but it will sure as hell make me think twice before purchasing.
Incidentally, if you have a game on disc that uses steamworks, and your account is cancelled, you won't be able to use that game again, right?
Do you technically own the keys to the games you buy?
Yeah, cause they are clearly so much better. Especially those with some sort of outdated DRM that doesn't work anymore today.This kind of policy makes me treasure my carts and discs all that much more.
Yeah, cause they are clearly so much better. Especially those with some sort of outdated DRM that doesn't work anymore today.
So I am curious how this works.
If I were to download a pirated copy of a game I owned on steam, with proof, that I purchased it and had a license that I am not able to use is illegal. Steam not providing a service while charging me is legal.
This system is really messed up.
Correct, every game that your purchased elsewhere is now tied to steam, you are now at steams mercy.
actually owning the things you buy is so 20th century
Yeah, cause 30 years old games old enough to be considered abandonware and that you can store 200 at once in one single USB flash memory are exactly my main concern thinking of protecting my purchases.Yeah, snesLive stopped working and now I can't play super metroid .
In an alternate universe, maybe, but not in this one -- at least, not for the forseeable future. There's a reason publishers aren't lining up to release their newer titles on the service, and it starts with "DRM" and ends with "free". From a cursory glance at GoG's games list, it seems Ubi is the only large publisher brave enough to release current-gen titles on the service, but even so the most recent one -- Far Cry 2 -- is four years old.
Yeah, cause 30 years old games old enough to be considered abandonware and that you can store 200 at once in one single USB flash memory are exactly my main concern thinking of protecting my purchases.
On this, I can easily agree.The problem is that the companies who use DRM have to be dragged into DRM-Free, kicking and screaming, much like the music industry had been. Pretty much, just promote indies who refuse to use DRM.
It still is the future, no matter how hard you guys are going to overreact over this. It's actually the only possible sustainable future.DIGITAL
FUTURE
Do people cherish their right to participate in class action lawsuits that much or is everyone here a lawyer?
You don't lose anything by agreeing to these terms, actually you gain something because Valve will be less vulnerable to legal abuse.
You don't lose anything by agreeing to these terms, actually you gain something because Valve will be less vulnerable to legal abuse.
I'm actually glad people are starting to wake up and smell the coffee on Steam as a whole. Just because Gabe is the head of Valve it doesn't mean they are god or untouchable. Whether intentional or a byproduct, Valve is destructive to PC gaming.
its not overreacting.
The fact you guys let your consumer rights get trampled so easily is disgusting.
The fact you let a company invalidate all your purchases is ridiculous.
If Valve allowed you to retain teh licences but killed the online portion of steam for your account, no issue
my way or the highway, IS NOT OK. Not unless they are willing to refund. If they aren't in Australia at least, they are breaking consumer laws.
Do people cherish their right to participate in class action lawsuits that much or is everyone here a lawyer?
You don't lose anything by agreeing to these terms, actually you gain something because Valve will be less vulnerable to legal abuse.
Singles-GAF, Girl-GAF and Gay-GAF may safely continue posting. Lesbians beware...Anyone who posts in this thread after me is giving me permission to fuck their wife or girlfriend.
If that is something you do not desire do not post!
It is. Once I've bought something from a store, the sales man can't really appear behind my door a week later and demand me to sign a new contract less I want my item taken away from me.The fact you let a company invalidate all your purchases is ridiculous.
It´s not overreacting to have the discussion and wanting Valve/Steam to change to something even better, but it´s overreacting when you say that you from now on wont use Steam and/or buy Steam games.
Anyone who posts in this thread after me is giving me permission to fuck their wife or girlfriend.
If that is something you do not desire do not post!
How is it over reacting? If a priest rapes a boy, am I over reacting by wanting him removed? As long as I keep my religion then by that logic I should just accept it.
If you want an answer, write another comparison that isn´t an overreaction in itself.
Point to obvious for you?
I don't understand people who say 'I trust valve they wouldn't do this to me'.
Newsflash: valve is a private company. It's not your mom or dad or your sibling or your significant other OR your friend. It's a company, which wants to make profits. Like every other company, they care more about profits and saving their asses from legal troubles which is what this new agreement is about.
I really don't understand how people can get emotionally attached to a company.
It's perplexing, sad and hilarious all at the same time.
I really don't understand how people can get emotionally attached to a company.
I don't understand people who say 'I trust valve they wouldn't do this to me'.
Newsflash: valve is a private company. It's not your mom or dad or your sibling or your significant other OR your friend. It's a company, which wants to make profits. Like every other company, they care more about profits and saving their asses from legal troubles which is what this new agreement is about.
I really don't understand how people can get emotionally attached to a company.
But Valve or Gabe Newell can do no wrong!I don't understand people who say 'I trust valve they wouldn't do this to me'.
Newsflash: valve is a private company. It's not your mom or dad or your sibling or your significant other OR your friend. It's a company, which wants to make profits. Like every other company, they care more about profits and saving their asses from legal troubles which is what this new agreement is about.
I really don't understand how people can get emotionally attached to a company.
It's perplexing, sad and hilarious all at the same time.
I´m not going to argue in a discussion comparing computer games with child abuse no.
But Valve or Gabe Newell can do no wrong!
Point was still made, thanks for playing.