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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!

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The somewhat confirmed leaked dev kit specs and GPU effects seen so far in games indicate a DirectX 11-like feature set.

I do find it strange that while we all know DX is an MS thing, the Wii U target specs specifically mention Compute Shaders (DirectCompute) and that was added in DX11.
 
In that EA next gen thread they say 3-5 new IP's in the first 24 months, I wonder how many of those will be WiiU?

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Probably zero judging by their current enthusiasm for this thing, but it's just EA, so whateva
 

NateDrake

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I do find it strange that while we all know DX is an MS thing, the Wii U target specs specifically mention Compute Shaders (DirectCompute) and that was added in DX11.

Doesn't Eurogamer say Wii U GPU is DX 10.1 based? I know the information they shared on the RAM is old information and isn't anything new, but it seems like GPU details are still inconsistent.
 

RAWi

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This might be a silly question but will all Wii games be playable with the Wii U controller? If so I may hold off on playing Xenoblade so I can play it on Wii U

I don't think so. Wii didn't have the feature of playing Gamecube games with Pro Controller or Wiimote, so I don't think that Wii games will be compatible with WiiU Gamepad, you will still need the necessary controllers.

It would be nice if the ProController could be emulated using the Wii U Gamepad.

So, let's just wait for more information about that.
 

deviljho

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Miiverse, accessible also through phones and tablets, texting, messaging friends through touchpad, sending your drawings and doodles, taking screenshot of games, native video chat, find and communicate with people who like similar or specific games. Native video chat out of the box. Doodling penises and other nonsense. What the hell are you haters complaining about?

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D-e-f-

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I don't think so. Wii didn't have the feature of playing Gamecube games with Pro Controller or Wiimote, so I don't think that Wii games will be compatible with WiiU Gamepad, you will still need the necessary controllers.

It would be nice if the ProController could be emulated using the Wii U Gamepad.

So, let's just wait for more information about that.

That's because when you put in a GCN game, the Wii literally turned into a GameCube, turning off all Wii-specific functionality since.

I don't think we've got enough info to know if there are actual Wii guts in the Wii U again or if the backwards-compatiblity will work in the same way. Though we have people here who understand a lot more about the specifics than I do.

My personal opinion is that it would be a smart idea to not have it work like that but have Wii games also show up in your Miiverse activity as "now playing" to effectively keep promoting the old stuff with the new tech.

I looked at the sticker on the back, it basically this is not the final model controller, FCC compliances and do not sell.

so analog triggers in final model confirmed :D

hope dies last
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Miiverse, accessible also through phones and tablets, texting, messaging friends through touchpad, native video chat right out of the box, find and communicate with people who like similar or specific games. Native video chat out of the box, what the hell are you haters complaining about?

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You know, in the age of facetime and skype on everything these days, this doesn't really impress.

I do like that they added it though, but the actual usability remains to be seen. It's one thing where the tablet comes in real handy though.
 

D-e-f-

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You know, in the age of facetime and skype on everything these days, this doesn't really impress.

I do like that they added it though, but the actual usability remains to be seen. It's one thing where the tablet comes in real handy though.

It does. It still impresses me 'cause I don't need to turn on my PC and mess around with extra software and then hope the person I wanna video chat with has is online with their PC as well when I know they're currently playing something on Wii U.

The cool thing is that it's all in one place, connected to one thing and for a singular purpose.

Now let's just hope it works...
 

deviljho

Member
You know, in the age of facetime and skype on everything these days, this doesn't really impress.

It's native video chat out of the box for home use on a large screen using your internet connection. You are smoking crack. I have a Panasonic TV that "supports" skype, but I need to buy an expensive Panasonic camera.

It does. It still impresses me 'cause I don't need to turn on my PC and mess around with extra software and then hope the person I wanna video chat with has is online with their PC as well when I know they're currently playing something on Wii U.

The cool thing is that it's all in one place, connected to one thing and for a singular purpose.

Now let's just hope it works...

Yup.
 

Kandinsky

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TGS starts September 20 I believe. I have to assume Nintendo isn't incompetent and would allow 3rd parties to show Wii U stuff there.

I keep getting this wrong every week, but I seriously expect Wii U Japanese reveals to begin any day.

This is so like pre E3 stuff, look man maybe just maybe there is no NDA holding shit back, maybe theres nothing to announce :/
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
This is so like pre E3 stuff, look man maybe just maybe there is no NDA holding shit back, maybe theres nothing to announce :/

I'm sure I'm starting to annoy people, but there has to be Japanese 3rd party stuff still to be announced.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
It does. It still impresses me 'cause I don't need to turn on my PC and mess around with extra software and then hope the person I wanna video chat with has is online with their PC as well when I know they're currently playing something on Wii U.

The cool thing is that it's all in one place, connected to one thing and for a singular purpose.

Now let's just hope it works...

I wan't really talking about PC, moreso skype and facetime on iPad and iPhone (or other relevant services on Android and WP7), which are completely seamless services.
I use facetime to keep in touch with family across the country all the time, works great.

I have some faith in Nintendo in that they can get this working properly.

It's native video chat out of the box for home use on a large screen using your internet connection. You are smoking crack. I have a Panasonic TV that "supports" skype, but I need to buy an expensive Panasonic camera.

Smoking crack? Come on son, you are getting a little carried away, video chat has been done. It's on phones.
It's great that the Wii-U is capable of this without external hardware though, that's definitely a big plus.
 

Kacho

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I'm sure I'm starting to annoy people, but there have to be Japanese 3rd party stuff still to be announced.

When you talk about Japanese 3rd party stuff being announced, are you more talking about what will be announced for the Western launch or just Japan in general.
 

Jacobi

Banned
It does. It still impresses me 'cause I don't need to turn on my PC and mess around with extra software and then hope the person I wanna video chat with has is online with their PC as well when I know they're currently playing something on Wii U.

The cool thing is that it's all in one place, connected to one thing and for a singular purpose.

Now let's just hope it works...
But... Skype is on a lot of phones and tablets. i already have two devices I can use for that. It's a neat add-on but it's not exactly a selling point.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
When you talk about Japanese 3rd party stuff being announced, are you more talking about what will be announced for the Western launch or just Japan in general.

I'm specifically talking about Japan in general, though I'm sure there will be some overlap with the Western launch (for example, Orochi 3 appears on Gamestop Italy).
 
It's late, I worked all day and I'm tired, so cut me some slack if I got this wrong, but are they honestly saying investors think more highly of RIM than of Nintendo ? Because that sounds so stupid it can't be true.
This is why I'm going to make bank by owning Nintendo stock through the launch period. The majority investor opinion is wrong.
 

D-e-f-

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I wan't really talking about PC, moreso skype and facetime on iPad and iPhone (or other relevant services on Android and WP7), which are completely seamless services.
I use facetime to keep in touch with family across the country all the time, works great.

I have some faith in Nintendo in that they can get this working properly.

But... Skype is on a lot of phones and tablets. i already have two devices I can use for that. It's a neat add-on but it's not exactly a selling point.

Believe it or not, there are bazillions of people who do not own a smartphone or a tablet. I have yet to see a tablet in real life, do not own a smartphone and have friends who are in the same situation. And that's just the mid-20s tech savvy crowd.

Nintendo does not make stuff only for people between age 16 and 35.
 

Hoo-doo

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Believe it or not, there are bazillions of people who do not own a smartphone or a tablet. I have yet to see a tablet in real life, do not own a smartphone and have friends who are in the same situation. And that's just the mid-20s tech savvy crowd.

Nintendo does not make stuff only for people between age 16 and 35.

Okay, i'd say you and your friends are a rare breed among your age group. None of you own smartphones?

I just thought the fact that someone was going ga-ga over a feature that's pretty much standard for anything tablet-shaped in the last three years was pretty funny. Especially the "what the hell are you haters complaining about?" line.
 

D-e-f-

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Not sure what he's trying to say, Nintendo should get rid of it because everyone has skype?

No they're both clearly saying it's cool that it's there but it doesn't excite them. Not sure how you can be not sure about this, it's all right there in their posts. :)
 
If you wanted further confirmation of what side of the industry EGM slants towards, look no further than their new Wii U preview cover story by Steve Haske. Just read it and I'm in no way exaggerating when I say the entire article is designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console. Some brilliant choice quotes include the following:

From a 'venerable and legendary' industry magazine you're supposed to be grateful and happy relaunched last year said:
The Gamepad:

Running at SD 480p, the display is good enough for most games, though some details can be hard to see. The touchscreen is sometimes finicky. And why isn't it multitouch capable?

The buttons and analog sticks feel comfortable and responsive....holding a tablet-esque controller is a little weird at first, though....it also feels a bit like a toy.

"The tech: Powered by a new IBM multi core processor and an AMD Radeon GPU, but only packing flash memory (which can be augmented externally). At least we know Virtual Console games will transfer." (a-hyuck?)

"The Wii U Pro Controller doesn't make a discernible effort to distinguish itself from a 360 pad (no kidding?)...is just another standard peripheral to play consoles the "normal" way. What that says about the average GamePad experience is another matter entirely."

Hate to break it to you guys, no one wants to visit a Nintendo theme park that's based around Miis. ....at this point they are to some degree both cocky and out of touch enough to think that whatever they slap that famous oblong logo on will instantly gain the same level of appeal as Link or Mario. Yet maybe more than any generation before it, the market's in a state of flux. Mobile and downloadable games are changing paradigms, blah blah...

And then they cap things off by rehashing the disappointment over the E3 conference and oh look! Want your gaming industry mag which has been around for over twenty years to be taken less seriously? Well how about going to the always unreliable attention troll Michael Pachter as your main source?

"Analyst Michael Pachter says this is a matter of unchecked corporate hubris. "They're partying like it's 1985" he says.

Pachter claims that Nintendo's not firing on all cylinders, whether it's the gimmicky, potentially confusing GamePad controller or the total absence of more vital console features like an actual hard drive or core multiplayer.

"They'd rather have you play with Miis," he says. "They just don't get it."

"Their strategy is 'We got lucky with the Wii, so if we just try something different, we'll get lucky again" he says. "In their vocabulary, the word 'lucky' doesn't exist-substitute 'brilliant.' Unfortunately I don't think it looks brilliant."

Given the concentration on the "living room hub" approach, Miiverse interactions, and casual co-op in Nintendo Land and New Super Mario Bros. U, Nintendo hasn't done much thus far to convince fans otherwise.

Pachter remains unconvinced. "Nintendo just thinks they understand everybody better, thinks they understand the consumers better than everybody else," (well they sure do all of that a heck of a lot better than you do, analyzing the market with all the prescience of a tube worm and making endless crap predictions that always fall flat on their face) and they're going to keep doing it till somebody decides to make a change at the top." (Pachter now thinks Iwata needs to be fired, lol?)

That's pretty much literally the entire article in a nutshell and there's also an entire sidebar ranting about the conference from two months ago. There's two positive yet short quotes from Ubi Soft's Michael Micholic and Brian Burleson of Gearbox but otherwise it's one of the most slanted and biased articles I've read in a trade magazine in my life. Very disappointing and amateurish for a mag I've looked forward to reading every month since the early 90s. I know they've been capable of a bit of bias here and there in the past, but this is just boldfaced rag-worthy junk.
 
Okay, i'd say you and your friends are a rare breed among your age group. None of you own smartphones?

I just thought the fact that someone was going ga-ga over a feature that's pretty much standard for anything tablet-shaped in the last three years was pretty funny. Especially the "what the hell are you haters complaining about?" line.

No smartphone here either.

You would be surprised by how many people can't even get a DVD player hooked up, much less run skype on a tablet/phone.

Edit: What the hell does core multiplayer mean? COD?
 

CrispyXUK

Banned
Oh, so why bother posting it?

Not sure about you, but I certainly would rather contact someone on my console to arganise a game on that console, than contact them on skype on my computer then move to my console to set it up.

where's this going again? :D
 
R

Rösti

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Compute shaders aren't exclusive to DirectX,
OpenGL has them in 4.3.

http://www.opengl.org/wiki/Compute_Shader

It was only this month though.
If we are talking about utilizing compute shaders on Direct3D 10 compliant hardware (which the Wii U GPU has been described as now and then), it's really nothing interesting in my opinion. The differences between compute shader use between D3D 10 and D3D 11 are quite magnificent, especially considering atomic instructions are available to D3D 11, as well as some other interesting features. That's shader model 5.0 though, and I haven't seen anything written about Wii U's compatibility with that, only 4.0.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Oh, so why bother posting it?

Not sure about you, but I certainly would rather contact someone on my console to arganise a game on that console, than contact them on skype on my computer then move to my console to set it up.

where's this going again? :D

You might want to read the actual posts.
 
When people say "it's just 2006 all over again" they're buying into the fallacy of history repeating itself. History does not repeat itself. It does, however, resonate with past circumstances.

Is there a real reason to be concerned about Wii U's long term support? Yes.

Is 2012 the exact same situation as 2006? No, of course not.

We're now in an industry that has learned it is very hard and expensive to keep raking in the AAA core gamer dollar, that most of your over-budgeted triple A games fail to make money, and studios regularly shutter because the situation is unsustainable.

We are also in an industry that has seen how blind it was to the Wii's potential to blow up, and utterly failed to capitalize, leaving money on the table. And the existence of far wider audiences than the 20-30 year old male is now firmly established, even the nature of those audiences isn't fully understood.

The Wii also did not launch with games directly competitive to the other platforms. From day 1, it was outclassed in terms of software available. The unusually long 7th generation may, just possibly, be a boon to Nintendo. It allows them to launch Wii U, and for the next 1-2 years position the console as having a truly competitive library with the other guys, plus all the exclusive stuff only Nintendo can offer.

I know that many do not want to see the 8th generation as having the potential of repeating the 6th - with a triad of consoles with noticeably segmented performance. The notion that the PS4 and Xbox 720 will be as far beyond Wii U as this gen is beyond PS2 is too firmly entrenched. (And a recipe for massive disappointment.)

But I think there is some potential for Nintendo to force a PS2-Gamecube-Xbox scenario here - though in a modified form, whatever shape that will take.

Oddly, a 'soft crash' of the AAA games industry might help them out. If the number of AAA+A games does decline over the next few years, it would appear that only means the number of superior exclusives the next gen MS and Sony consoles have will be a lot smaller. There does seem to be an assumption in place that after a year or so, every significant game on the other consoles will be a UE4-powered technology festival that will be impossible to port to Wii U.

But it's also possible we would end up with a situation that resonates with the 6th generation - the most powerful consoles occasionally get their showpiece title, and the average multiplatform game remains at a level a couple of notches below that.

What an excellent post, certainly echoes my sentiments...particularly the last paragraph.
 

D-e-f-

Banned
Okay, i'd say you and your friends are a rare breed among your age group. None of you own smartphones?

I didn't say none of them own smartphones, I said "I have friends who are in the same situation [of not owning a smartphone or tablet]." Plural as in multiple but obviously not all of them.

That said, I don't see myself using something like video chat even on Wii U simply because I have no desire to.
 

10k

Banned
When people say "it's just 2006 all over again" they're buying into the fallacy of history repeating itself. History does not repeat itself. It does, however, resonate with past circumstances.

Is there a real reason to be concerned about Wii U's long term support? Yes.

Is 2012 the exact same situation as 2006? No, of course not.

We're now in an industry that has learned it is very hard and expensive to keep raking in the AAA core gamer dollar, that most of your over-budgeted triple A games fail to make money, and studios regularly shutter because the situation is unsustainable.

We are also in an industry that has seen how blind it was to the Wii's potential to blow up, and utterly failed to capitalize, leaving money on the table. And the existence of far wider audiences than the 20-30 year old male is now firmly established, even the nature of those audiences isn't fully understood.

The Wii also did not launch with games directly competitive to the other platforms. From day 1, it was outclassed in terms of software available. The unusually long 7th generation may, just possibly, be a boon to Nintendo. It allows them to launch Wii U, and for the next 1-2 years position the console as having a truly competitive library with the other guys, plus all the exclusive stuff only Nintendo can offer.

I know that many do not want to see the 8th generation as having the potential of repeating the 6th - with a triad of consoles with noticeably segmented performance. The notion that the PS4 and Xbox 720 will be as far beyond Wii U as this gen is beyond PS2 is too firmly entrenched. (And a recipe for massive disappointment.)

But I think there is some potential for Nintendo to force a PS2-Gamecube-Xbox scenario here - though in a modified form, whatever shape that will take.

Oddly, a 'soft crash' of the AAA games industry might help them out. If the number of AAA+A games does decline over the next few years, it would appear that only means the number of superior exclusives the next gen MS and Sony consoles have will be a lot smaller. There does seem to be an assumption in place that after a year or so, every significant game on the other consoles will be a UE4-powered technology festival that will be impossible to port to Wii U.

But it's also possible we would end up with a situation that resonates with the 6th generation - the most powerful consoles occasionally get their showpiece title, and the average multiplatform game remains at a level a couple of notches below that.
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Stulaw

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Rösti;41585945 said:
If we are talking about utilizing compute shaders on Direct3D 10 compliant hardware (which the Wii U GPU has been described as now and then), it's really nothing interesting in my opinion. The differences between compute shader use between D3D 10 and D3D 11 are quite magnificent, especially considering atomic instructions are available to D3D 11, as well as some other interesting features. That's shader model 5.0 though, and I haven't seen anything written about Wii U's compatibility with that, only 4.0.

But isn't shader model 5 HLSL, not GLSL? Compute shaders that are similar where added to GLSL this month and there's no reason whatsoever to think that Nintendo hasn't had the chip modified enough to do similar things.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
If you wanted further confirmation EGM is just a cheerleader for Sony and MS, look no further than their new Wii U preview cover story by Steve Haske. Just read it and I'm in no way exaggerating when I say the entire article is designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console. Some brilliant choice quotes include the following:



And then they cap things off by rehashing the disappointment over the E3 conference and oh look! Want your gaming industry mag which has been around for over twenty years to be taken less seriously? Well how about going to the always unreliable attention troll Michael as your main source?



That's pretty much literally the entire article in a nutshell and there's also an entire sidebar ranting about the conference from two months ago. There's two positive yet short quotes from Ubi Soft's Michael Micholic and Brian Burleson of Gearbox but otherwise it's one of the most slanted and biased articles I've read in a trade magazine in my life. Very disappointing and amateurish for a mag I've looked forward to reading every month since the early 90s. I know they've been capable of a bit of bias here and there in the past, but this is just boldfaced rag-worthy junk.

I agree with you on the article being written by someone with a bone to pick, but what would any publication have to benefit from "cheerleading Sony and MS" and shitting on Nintendo? I don't get it.

Why would they create an article "designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console" when a new console cycle would mean a surge in enthusiasm for gamers across the board?
 

EloquentM

aka Mannny
If you wanted further confirmation of what side of the industry EGM slants towards, look no further than their new Wii U preview cover story by Steve Haske. Just read it and I'm in no way exaggerating when I say the entire article is designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console. Some brilliant choice quotes include the following:



And then they cap things off by rehashing the disappointment over the E3 conference and oh look! Want your gaming industry mag which has been around for over twenty years to be taken less seriously? Well how about going to the always unreliable attention troll Michael as your main source?



That's pretty much literally the entire article in a nutshell and there's also an entire sidebar ranting about the conference from two months ago. There's two positive yet short quotes from Ubi Soft's Michael Micholic and Brian Burleson of Gearbox but otherwise it's one of the most slanted and biased articles I've read in a trade magazine in my life. Very disappointing and amateurish for a mag I've looked forward to reading every month since the early 90s. I know they've been capable of a bit of bias here and there in the past, but this is just boldfaced rag-worthy junk.

holy shit.

I agree with you on the article being written by someone with a bone to pick, but what would any publication have to benefit from "cheerleading Sony and MS" and shitting on Nintendo? I don't get it.

Why would they create an article "designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console" when a new console cycle would mean a surge in enthusiasm for gamers across the board?

they wouldn't have anything to gain (unless you want to fall into the conspiracy crowd who believes in this type of money hatting). with that said though, they're obviously biased
 

Hiltz

Member
I'm sure I'm starting to annoy people, but there has to be Japanese 3rd party stuff still to be announced.



Iwata said that he is aware of some unannounced third-party games that are planned to be revealed at Nintendo's September conference. I hope their from the likes of Capcom and other Japanese third-parties.
 
Have there been any rumors about Most Wanted on the Wii U? I know that Criterion started hiring people for new platforms around a year ago. Some speculated that it was about the Vita, but they eventually put up another job opening and specifically mentioned the Vita. Black Ops 2 is basically a lock for the system at this point and MW was the only other multiplatform game that I was hoping to see announced at E3.
 

Jacobi

Banned
Iwata said that he is aware of some unannounced third-party games that are planned to be revealed at Nintendo's September conference. I hope their from the likes of Capcom and other Japanese third-parties.
I hope it's not just Angry Birds or something like that
 

beje

Banned
I agree with you on the article being written by someone with a bone to pick, but what would any publication have to benefit from "cheerleading Sony and MS" and shitting on Nintendo? I don't get it.

Why would they create an article "designed to downplay and discourage enthusiasm for the console" when a new console cycle would mean a surge in enthusiasm for gamers across the board?

Fucking fanboyism and gaming "journalism" based on who gives you the biggest moneyhat, how do they work?
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
Fucking fanboyism and gaming "journalism" based on who gives you the biggest moneyhat, how do they work?

I like to believe that Microsoft and Sony are paying money for publications to fabricate fake negative articles on the Wii-U.
That would be some straight up mustache-wearing cartoon villainy, does that really happen though? I highly doubt it.
 

D-e-f-

Banned
~~ post about EGM's Wii U suxx0rz story ~~

Is this a proper story printed in the magazine or a user blog? Honestly, this reads like someone's blog who writers about games for fun and clearly knew they didn't like Nintendo or Wii U before writing that.

It's pretty off-putting to think that if you have a job in the gaming press, you take that job seriously and take pride in what you writer and care about well-researched opinion pieces or collecting facts or not trying to subversively influence the reader's opinion (see: overemphasis of the GamePad screen's "SD"-ness ; generally dismissive, arrogant tone).

Excuse the whining and ranting but this really sickens me. Why do this? Why write a story like this? Of course everything is not awesome and if something sucks or doesn't do what it's supposed to you tell it like it is but these kinds of articles are just unacceptable. I would not let that be published. Not because I'm a fanboy but because that's just a horrible article.

This is the kind of thing you write and present arguments that fall both on the negative and positive side, impressions and opinions from different people who know what they're talking about and then you close it off with your personal take on the situation.

I have not read the whole thing, I'm basing all this on the choice quotes provided by Agent Unknown but from that it reads like the writer had a clear agenda or felt it necessary to "inform" readers that nearly everything the Wii U does, it does badly. That's how it comes across to me.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
I like to believe that Microsoft and Sony are paying money for publications to fabricate fake negative articles on the Wii-U.
That would be some straight up mustache-wearing cartoon villainy, does that really happen though? I highly doubt it.

I don't think there is any anti-Nintendo conspiracy, but I think you would have to be pretty ignorant to think that generally the big videogame enthusiast websites and magazines are not particularly big Nintendo fans and that filters into their coverage.
 

Sadist

Member
Have there been any rumors about Most Wanted on the Wii U? I know that Criterion started hiring people for new platforms around a year ago. Some speculated that it was about the Vita, but they eventually put up another job opening and specifically mentioned the Vita. Black Ops 2 is basically a lock for the system at this point and MW was the only other multiplatform game that I was hoping to see announced at E3.
Was just reading EDGE 244 and in the hype section they list Most Wanted as PS3/360/PC/Wii U title.
 

CrispyXUK

Banned
I don't think there is any anti-Nintendo conspiracy, but I think you would have to be pretty ignorant to think that generally the big videogame enthusiast websites and magazines are not particularly big Nintendo fans and that filters into their coverage.

So Nintendo are the biggect gaming co. in the world because no gamers like them?
 

beje

Banned
I like to believe that Microsoft and Sony are paying money for publications to fabricate fake negative articles on the Wii-U.
That would be some straight up mustache-wearing cartoon villainy, does that really happen though? I highly doubt it.

Not exactly "direct" moneyhats, but it would be leaning more on who brives them with gives them better and most abundant free stuff and contracts more expensive ads, and promises even more freebies and ads if they give good grades in the reviews. Which coincidentally, it's not Nintendo style at all.
 

Jacobi

Banned
I don't think there is any anti-Nintendo conspiracy, but I think you would have to be pretty ignorant to think that generally the big videogame enthusiast websites and magazines are not particularly big Nintendo fans and that filters into their coverage.
What if they are fans and are disappointed?
 

Kacho

Member
I can attest that the touch pad being finicky is real, at least from what I played of P-100. While I'm giving both Platinum and Nintendo the benefit of the doubt here, it was disappointing to say the least.
 
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