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Rumor: Wii U final specs
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specialguy
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Not many were reasonable about specs. Some were waiting to something DX11 compilant wise on a 28nm lithography and a decent CPU. Between 3/6x cuarrent gen (yea the "x" times bullshit again) acording to some rumors.
So yea, there wasn't much down to earth folks gravitaing the Wiiu threads. Looks like reality is sinking in and now we are back to the Wii like "specs are not important, fun is everything" coments. Nintendo should call the console 360 in this sense.
I'd say the fact the Wii U cant seem to shake this fundamental concern that it's not powerful enough also proves it...
Wii had the same problems to be fair, but imo was not aimed at the core. The fact this battle seems much more damaging to the Wii U doesn't bode well for it imo. The difference to me between the Wii U and Wii was exemplified by the gargantuan E3 lines for Wii (proving that what we the core thought didn't matter) that didn't exist for Wii U (proving imo the Wii U is fighting in the core sphere).
Sure there will always be people who say "I just care about the games", and there's some validity to that. But only some. Cause in the end the Wii U wont be healthy without broad appeal which will hurt even those who truly "dont care" about the specs when they stop getting third party support.
shinra-bansho
Member
That's because:
1) They are.
2) People keep refusing to read the writing on the wall.
The last time the "enhanced Broadway" wording was brought up (by Arkam, who apparently is mod-verified to have access to devkits?) it was dismissed.
And people brought up an old PR tweet about POWER7/Watson, and everyone went back to believing that.
Can you link me to that quote please? I remember Arkam saying the CPU was weak/slow but the only source i know that spoke of enhanced Broadway was this Espresso guy on B3D.
shinra-bansho
Member
specialguy
Banned
The denial runs strong and I've learned to accept, always will. Especially as long as there is any gray area to run in.
We get word there is 1GB for games, people start pushing towards the idea 1GB is reserved for OS therefore there is still 2GB in the system...
CPU is called enhanced Broadway, backlash begins that it must be power PC 7 because of x y and z on twitter. CPU is called underpowered, movement begins that it's not underpowered, just doesnt port PS360 code well.
GPU is called DX 10.1, people start angling towards a factoid that it supposedly supports compute shaders thus must be DX 11.
And so on.
There's probably still people out there that think the Wii has magical hidden power.
It will take 1-2 years of people seeing only PS360 quality games on Wii U to convince most doubters.
There's 1% that will never be convinced. But 99% will be convinced then enough to render the debate over (just like Wii).
My strong guess is, in the end the CPU is frighteningly close to Broadway. I have always bet low with Nintendo and always am right. GPU I'm still saying turns up an underclocked RV730.
Refreshment.01
Member
No i do not, on the contrary. Specs be it high or low end ones are of interest to people. Simple as that.
Comment about visuals in my previous post had to do, with the fact that some people try to auto convince themselves to not care about them when their company of chocie don't offer the high end graphics. If the sytem of afection was cutting edge stuff the3y wouln't shut up about technical supremacy.
In short is funny watching the usual suspects, the ones that not care about specs, rounding these threads like bees to honey
Specs can always be better but we're still going to be playing games that meet or exceed this:
Excited for Thursday.
I don't get it.
That isn't impressive at all.
TheLaughingMan
Banned
That Zelda demo is really really impressive to me
Thunder Monkey
Banned
So the GPU has a newer featureset, while being similar in total power, it has double the amount of memory dedicated to games, and it has an esoteric CPU that is similar enough to Broadway to be considered an "upgraded Broadway."
Not a powerhouse, but far from weak.
Not a powerhouse, but far from weak.
Well, the quality of that screenshot is crappy, but if you've seen it in real life, it certainly is.
32MB strong?
Refreshment.01
Member
Funny thing is they should have been playing something similar to that level some years ago.
Projectjustice
Banned
Wow, its crazy how people are still using DBZ cause they are too lazy to actually try to comprehend and learn something.
Way to go Champ, not only does your post look dumb, you arent even accurate with what you are saying.
That's what I felt about Halo 4, what a coincidence
That's what I felt about Community, what a coincidence.
Did my not liking of that screenshot get so far under your skin as to have to pick out something I like and go after it? Do you feel better now? I hope so.
shinra-bansho
Member
(Still going through the thread... saw this)
The 360 was a $300 entry in 2005.
Yes, I'm aware that it's not Nintendo's business model - but it wasn't impossible to have a significant technological leap with a low entry price. Previous gens have done it too, afaict.
Refreshment.01
Member
I think we agree here. The WiiU GamePad while cool, is not something that could carry the console on concept alone, so in that sense it feels incomplete to me withouth a substantial boost in specs in terms to this generation of consoles. Definitly is not something as unique as the Wii.
At 250 U.S. im ok with Nintendo's strategy. AT 300 it's crazy territory.
Simple. If NIntendo had the foresaight to put something decent under the Wii's hood, you would have experience something close to that level of IQ.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I did.
I can still say that demo is pretty.
It's all about context. Wii games can be beautiful, given the hardware they are on they can be really impressive. Though they will never be one of the technically proficient. But I look at consoles as little more than artistic tools in this context. What is painted with them can be both beautiful, and technically lacking.
Yeah it looks horrible....
shinra-bansho
Member
This is just silly. It doesn't look horrible. The artstyle and lighting are very pretty.
But I don't see how it's "impressive" in the sense that it's particularly beyond the capabilities of the current generation - as people keep trying to convince everyone of.
But I don't see how it's "impressive" in the sense that it's particularly beyond the capabilities of the current generation - as people keep trying to convince everyone of.
A change of $50 gets it into crazy territory?
Off course its not horrible, it just looks good...
Refreshment.01
Member
While a considerable improvement, Skyward on Dolphin is held back by low poly enviroments and sub par texture work. Zelda and Metroid are the 2 Nintendo franchises that are reallyr dependant on visuals.
Specs can always be better but we're still going to be playing games that meet or exceed this:
Excited for Thursday.
Yeah, that screenshot was exceeded back in 2007.
Just because it's Link doesn't make it more graphically impressive.
And for the record, I think Halo 4 looks pretty average
That's what I felt about Halo 4, what a coincidence
that's how I feel about both of the things mentioned, do I get a prize?
That's what I felt about Community, what a coincidence.
Did my not liking of that screenshot get so far under your skin as to have to pick out something I like and go after it? Do you feel better now? I hope so.
I feel mahvelous!
Thunder Monkey
Banned
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, we should all listen to specialguy, because
lemme stop you right there
i know it's been said, but 2 major companies rushed in to sell at a loss. they both eventually made a profit, after bleeding extensively, and fighting for 2nd place. we should really accept this as nintendo's MO going forward if you haven't already.
on one hand, id love a gamecube-esque build again, on the other...i wish Sega would've been more conservative in the day too, if it'dve kept them alive.
lemme stop you right there
i know it's been said, but 2 major companies rushed in to sell at a loss. they both eventually made a profit, after bleeding extensively, and fighting for 2nd place. we should really accept this as nintendo's MO going forward if you haven't already.
on one hand, id love a gamecube-esque build again, on the other...i wish Sega would've been more conservative in the day too, if it'dve kept them alive.
Refreshment.01
Member
Absolutly, those 50 could be used to "beef" up and important hardware component and at 300 you are out of mass market price anyway. SO why don't go 350, future proof the console and let your loyal fan base carry you the first years.
Or at least pack a decent storage solution, since Nintendo is claiming to embrace the digital era with this console.
Lighting effects in the Zelda demo were something special. I believe none of the effects were baked, everything was made in real-time.
There's nothing in the demo that suggests anything you said is true. Why do people persist in this?
The original 300$ 360 was also big, noisy, and badly built. It had no storage, no wifi, just a regular dvd drive, and it came with a wired controller which did not have a massive screen on it.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I cant' tell if you're joking. If you're not super impressed, whatever, but if are calling that demo horrible, I would like to test your vision.
Well, hes basing it off the PR claim that it was all done in real time, and it was only using a small portion of the Wii U's power.
Take that as you will.
shinra-bansho
Member
As already pointed out, the PS1 and PS2 weren't necessarily the weakest of their respective generation when one includes SEGA.
But the more salient point is that the PS1 and PS2 were visible generational shifts.
That is the real difference with the Wii.
Saying it's situation emulated the PS2 or PS1 and that the industry has never cared about technical advancement is an oversimplification and a fallacy.
shinra-bansho
Member
I accept it's not Nintendo's MO. I was just pointing out that it was somewhat misleading to imply it was impossible to have a significant technological leap at a reasonable entry price.
People use $599 to create a false dichotomy.
All of which is moot because (provided it's still running) it will still play Assassin's Creed 3.
Feed me your rage! RAGE!
I comprehended fine. I don't need Ja Rule to come help make sense of it all. The specs are shite. It may as well be Krillin.
yeah that sounds like typical PR mangling taking "this demo is running in real-time" to "EVERYTHING IS BEING CALCULATED IN REAL-TIME" which is hogwash.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Maybe technically but some people look deeper when it comes to graphics.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
It's a bigger fallacy to say generational shifts can only be measured in terms of graphical prowess though.
The Wii was a generational shift in terms of input mechanisms.
That's really pretty hard to deny.
I would be worried only if the 1 GB memory includes the video ram, I hope it has plenty of it.
It is if your benchmark is the Wii.
Presumably the 32 MB is the GPUs eDRAM, the rest is shared
Anticitizen One
Banned
Specs can always be better but we're still going to be playing games that meet or exceed this:
Excited for Thursday.
Kameo a 360 launch title from 6 years ago looks better than that:
