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Rumor: Wii U final specs
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The Saturn NiGHTS controller was first, and PS2 doesn't really count
The PS2 had digital triggers. And I don't think the Dreamcast triggers clicked, but they're still analog I guess.
All the buttons on Dualshock 2 were analog. Not really sure if that feature was ever used
evilromero
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Such a smooth controller. I could never forgive people for ignoring it. Greatest controller on earth.
LiveFromKyoto
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I know some racing games used it for acceleration & braking.
No, not at all. It's just (for me as a multi console and PC owner) I always associated a 'generational leap' with being utterly blown away by shit that absolutely, unquestionably cannot be done with the hardware I already own. That isn't the case anymore. Well, until the other two unveil their new toys. Even then, they might go modest too, who knows.
Even the shoulder ones? I knew the face buttons were, but I've never heard of the triggers being analog.
Ragingbegal
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On top of not wanting to spend a lot of time looking for high quality Zelda demo photos, I reduced the image size so some of the detail is lost. But yeah, there are much better screen shots out there. Just illustrating a point that games will look great, even if they aren't as mind blowing as the other two next gen systems.
MGS3 took advantage of that feature IIRC.
I don't recall any major analog function being mapped to the shoulder buttons in MGS3. It was all limited to the face buttons.
I don't think of good looking and (technically) impressive as the same either, but it's late here as well, so let's just call it a day
shark sandwich
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I don't really mind if WiiU is just a current-gen console on steroids. It might be a good thing if it keeps game dev costs down and allows developers to leverage current-gen game engines.
E.G. Xenoblade was probably my best gaming experience of this generation. I seriously doubt such a game could've been profitably made if it were done in HD. The dev costs would've been enormous.
E.G. Xenoblade was probably my best gaming experience of this generation. I seriously doubt such a game could've been profitably made if it were done in HD. The dev costs would've been enormous.
Your analogy is more accurate.
AstroNut325
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How can you claim it will allow developers to keep costs down? If it's simply this generation plus from little extra grunt for visual splendor... it means that the budgets for AAA and AAAA, and AAAAAA titles will exceed that of titles on PS360. And it cannot take advantage of the higher capability hardware and features such as global illumination, tessellation, and other advancements that are intended to allow developers to save time/money.
Not major, no, but you could lean by pressing L2, R2, or both at once.
SirIgbyCeaser
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Finally I can rest in peace. Its 3 nintendo wii's duck taped together.
Thunder Monkey
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Those were analog? I always figured they were simple "on or off" commands.
But now that I think about it, I guess that they had to have been analog, since MGS2 uses them as well, and for other things like zooming inside of a locker to peer through the vents.
All the under-the-hood functionality of the Wii U OS seems to be pretty nuts, all things considered. It has MiiVerse running all the time, you can open up a web browser, and engage in live video chat, all while a game is suspended. Honestly, that's probably the most impressive thing about the system as far as tech is concerned; it's really slick, especially coming from a company not exactly known for slickness.
Because AAA+ multiplat titles won't be done on the wii u as much as the other two. At least not of the same fidelity. I see no reason why anyone has to worry about the system not being cost effective, considering the crazy, over budgeted titles wont be on it as much, if at all.
You know it.
painful fart
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So why not even USB 3.0 ports?
These specs certainly doesn´t scream next gen.
These specs certainly doesn´t scream next gen.
Father_Brain
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I expect Wii U to be in a similar position relative to current-gen HD consoles to where 3DS is relative to PSP: not a full generational leap, but capable of games that look a good deal better from developers that know how to push the hardware.
Mind you, I also expect the percentage of games that take full advantage of the GPU to be similar on both platforms (i.e. not high).
Mind you, I also expect the percentage of games that take full advantage of the GPU to be similar on both platforms (i.e. not high).
At first I thought HD Assets = More money, but im thinking its more to do with bloated marketing budgets and waste that contribute to the cost of development just as much.
AstroNut325
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So it's just a continuation of the Nintendo formula. Hardware focused almost exclusively towards Nintendo games.
Bony Manifesto
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I'm not sure about marketing being a waste. Hell, I'd put a lot of Nintendo's recent success down to spending very little on developing the games, and putting the money they save into super-visible celebrity-led marketing campaigns.
Thunder Monkey
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At the absolute best it was only ever going to be a mid-gen leap.
At the best.
Turns out it's maybe 1/3rd gen leap at max. Which if Upad is rendering a full 3D scene in tandem with the main screen, can limit the overall output.
The best looking main TV screen games will have limited Upad rendering. And even that isn't going to free up too many resources.
If you mean a continuation of the Wii formula, then essentially, yes.
Nintendo has not always been about this formula, however, contrary to what many people seem to believe.
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I guess we'll see, but I would still imagine that dev costs will likely be cheaper for WiiU than for Sony & MS's next-gen systems. It may even be cheaper than 360/PS3 development, since RAM won't be such an obstacle to work around.
While it can be viewed as a continuation of the Wii type policy its quite different in the fact Nintendo has embraced modern shader architecture etc versus using unique stuff.
Wii U may be similar to the wii in the sense they didn't release a 1000 dollar box for 599 but its not in the same boat. Support should be much better but that doesn't mean it will be
Pachterballs
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Can you please explain what the Zelda demo is doing that's not possible on the ps360? I'm talking about specifics here since you seem pretty sure of your assumption.
I don't see anything beyond current gen in that tech demo.
AstroNut325
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It's got a high def Link! No other console can have that!
I'm still visually pleased/impressed by my Game&Watch games.
Well, the resolution is excellent.
For like a year... And don't forget it's gonna take at least a year for games to actually start looking better.
Both MGS2 and MGS3 used the analogue triggers. Not just for leaning around corners, but also when crouched behind something, you could squeeze both trigger together to poke your head up and take a look around.
Frame rate is a bit shonky though.
Foliorum Viridum
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Totally agree. A "next gen" console should be something that blows you away immediately with things that you couldn't imagine on previous consoles.
A HD Wii is nice, but other than the prospect of playing more awesome Nintendo games, it doesn't really do that for me.
crazy monkey
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lol.I guess for guy like me that looks so crazy beautiful. Although I do not have anything else other than wii and I find many of the wii game beautiful so my view point is totally different. Hell I can play n64 games quite fine. It should be a good game and fluid game.
I totally agree, Nintendo can´t afford to lost money upfront for the new console like Sony or MS. I´m sure they come with the better hardware they could without miss a mass market price.
Well yeah, if you want to get into the nitty gritty technical side of it. It's still the wii philosophy, but yeah, its not exactly in the same boat as the Wii.
You were making somewhat sensible posts earlier. No need to get trolly and derail the thread
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Post-SNES era, the entire point of Nintendo consoles is to play awesome Nintendo games on them. Anything else is a bonus. I have loved all my Nintendo consoles and handhelds, but the SNES was the last time a bit of Nintendo hardware was my main gaming platform.
In that regard, The Wii U will offer gaming experiences that weren't possible on previous Nintendo consoles. It doesn't matter if the PS4/Xbox3 is 10 times as powerful as the Wii U, as they won't be home to Nintendo games.
JordanN
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This urks me. When does something become a "full" generational leap? You admit the graphics are already so what more does it have to achieve?
The overall aesthetics about the demo puts it above current gen.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Foliorum Viridum
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Um... I don't agree. N64 and Gamecube blew me away. Wii is the only Nintendo console, until Wii U, to be underwhelming as a generational leap.
I do agree that since the N64 the only reason to own Nintendo hardware is for Nintendo games though. Multiplatform what? when it comes to Nintendo...
Actually, the thread's been quite tame. No spinning, really.
Is Mario 64 not a Nintendo game?