darkistheway
Member
This is true. In the same vein, the PS3 didn't lose them money; rather it allowed them to break even on the 17 years (and counting) Playstation generation. See it's all about how you do your math.
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Reggie on CNN: "3rd-party games like CoD look dramatically better on our system"
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This is true. In the same vein, the PS3 didn't lose them money; rather it allowed them to break even on the 17 years (and counting) Playstation generation. See it's all about how you do your math.
Angel Whispers
Member
THIS. HARD. Current Gen is 8th Gen. 'Power and graphics' never determined the status of a console, only chronology. Also, when discussing which era they're part of there are no style-bibles or pre-requisites.
NinjaBoiX
Member
I'm pretty sure the deficit is more than 8 frames. There were points in the analysis where the FPS for 360/PS3/WiiU went 60/50/25 or there abouts.
BlOps 2 on Wii U is an embarrassment quite frankly.
darkistheway
Member
When did Ken ever lie to us? Man is a god. Watch your tongue!
Guys why the Reggie hate? What was he suppossed to say? Most of her questions where negative nerd question about specs she must have picked up here on the inet and the whole point of the interview from Nintendo's point of view was to promote the Wii U, that's what he did. Should he say: "Well most launchtitles were portjobs made by c-teams on a thight schedule"? Maybe he should have said something more like "the developers still need to learn the architecture of the WiiU to fully unlock it's potential." But maybe he didn't know such a question was comming and had to answer on the spot. I would have taken the easier answer myself.
This thread is getting on the ridiculous, now.
He could have gone for the usual PR fluff instead of straight up lying.
I think it's a matter of opinion. A game running on brand new hardware released last week not matching up with the same game running on a 7 year old console could be considered "an embarrassment". I don't think "looking almost as good as the 360 version!" is something to shout about at all. It should have blown away the 360 version so that all the people buying this system for the "U" part had a reason to feel confident that it's not just going to be a Wii 2.StevieP said:
papersleeves
Member
Well if he ever leaves Nintendo, I suppose he could make a decent used car salesman.
*sees NSMBU thread with a worn out "My Body is Ready" joke*
I'm gonna say yes.
*sees NSMBU thread with a worn out "My Body is Ready" joke*
I'm gonna say yes.
mugurumakensei
Member
Guys, guys, the Wii U framerate is much more cinematic is all Reggie is saying.
NinjaBoiX
Member
As Surly said, a brand new console, running an aging engine at almost half the frame rate of a six year old console, hmm, yeah, that's pretty embarrassing.
GeekyDad
Member
Cinema (film) typically runs at 24 fps. So...you're saying what exactly?
In any case, that mother fucker is burnt and long overdue for some serious R&R.
So does BO2 on WiiU in certain scenes. That's what he meant.
Yes, we rarely see such outright lies. He could have just used the Wii-U pad's functionality as a 'superior feature' or something. Even if it is made up, at least it isn't 100% a lie.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
who cares? Both TOTALLY SUCK!!!
Pft.
And yes, that's a real ad, although the company was well aware of the double entendre, and intended the ad as a joke :lol
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya?
what?
sorry man, the gamecube was just better. it had better nintendo games and better 3rd party support. the wii has a few notable games and the wiimote tainted most of the experiences because it's just not accurate enough and added unnecessary steps to perform something on a game.
The memories! Gamecube was a far better console than the Wii. I still play my Gamecube to this day. Wii was over shadowed by better games on the PS3/360. Apart from Mario most of Nintendo's own output sucked this generation. Even Smash Bros Brawl was not as good as Melee.
entremet
Member
Reggie has fans?
MDSLKTR
Member
I saw his ugly face in many avatars yes.
polyh3dron
Banned
Gamecube <3
Hey now, that's going too far. The Regginator is a beautiful man. Now you take back what you said, or I'll have to tell him to come kick your ass and take your name.
polyh3dron
Banned
How so? A brand new gaming console is being outperformed by a 7 year old one. That is unprecedented. For all the shit the Wii got, it was at least graphically on par with the PS2, Xbox and GCN if not a bit more powerful.
plagiarize
Banned
in some ports, and not in others. but whatever. there is no real sane reason to think the Wii U isn't at least graphically on par with the 360 and PS3, if not a bit more powerful.
I mean, there's no sane reason to think there's some vast unlocked potential either, but when it's already running Trine 2 better than the 360/PS3, and ME3 better than the PS3, and BLORPS 2 multiplayer better than on PS3 and equivalent to the 360...
should we throw all that out because it runs campaign in BLOPS 2 worse, or because it falls short of the 360 version of ME3?
how more 'on par' could it really get? running some things better and some things worse = inferior?
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The problem here is traditional expectations.
Generally the culturally inherited memetic in gaming is: every new generation is a zillion times more powerful than the one before it and makes everything before it appear puny in comparison. I think it's rendered down that simply.
If the Wii U doesn't run every 360 game at 2 times the performance or quality, it was always going to get trashed. If it actually suffers poor performance in ports - even if those ports were made under sub-optimal conditions - then the "ha ha, beaten by 7 year old tech" notion was going to take root and become extremely difficult to dislodge.
In a sense, it doesn't matter if the Wii U in reality could be measured as somehow "2x Xbox 360" levels. Let's say it actually is that. Just for the sake of argument. People hear that suggestion, and I think many expect it would run Black Ops 2 campaign like BO2 runs on a good gaming PC - locked a 60fps, 1080p, AA, etc. Because a lot of people don't seem to realize that their nice PC that can double the performance of a 360 build at 1080p isn't just two or four times as powerful as a 360. It's ten times as powerful. It already is "next gen" as people use that to refer to power, and overcomes issues like mediocre ports, poor optimization, dealing with OS overhead, by sheer brute force.
Therefore, the Wii U could be a very nice piece of kit, with a lot of great stuff that will come into play down the road (like the nice lighting seen in Nintendoland). But it's still going to get laughed at. Naturally, Reggie's flustered, poor interview response isn't helping.
Jason's Ultimatum
Member
I honestly think GCN is the second best Nintendo console right after SNES.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
This thread has 15 pages while the thread about sexual abuse of children in the UK has 14 pages.
Clearly Reggie lying on TV is a far more serious issue than celebrities and politicians fucking underaged kids.
This is NeoGaf, what did you expect?
Barack Lesnar
Banned
NeoGAF is primarily a gaming forum.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
The thread has been about different topics outside of what Reggie said (that are related in some way)...
Ehhh...okay?
You say that like the majority of the threads here "change something". Thought forums were for discussion and not for changing things that happened in the past (lol).
freenudemacusers
Member
I don't see anyone minimizing child sexual abuse in that thread.
Seriously?
Maybe this thread wouldn't be as long if it wasn't for silly posts like that which cause for replies due to posters being in disbelief.
EatinOlives
Member
It's like you really wanted to say "first world problems lol" but didn't in fear of getting banned.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Nah, I'm just in disbelief at the level of brouhaha over Reggie telling fibs on TV contrary to, you know, a serious issue.
Cornbread78
Member
I haven't even posted in the thread yet, but quit pissin' on the fun parade!
There is nothing interesting for me to see or post in a thread about child rapists.
They are evil people and I hope they die painfully, and go to whatever hell they believe exists.
Outside of news updates what is the point of 50 pages of that?
By your rational the super bowl/world cup are the most important events in mankinds history since people watch them the most.
freenudemacusers
Member
I'm not sure you're reading this thread dude.
Heh, there are various possible reasons for it. It isn't that cut and dry.
Most of it depends on the way the discussion is going. I highly doubt people are defending in the thread that you brought up (heh, the fact that I'm actually making a comparison of this thread to that thread makes me feel silly).
perineumlick
Member
Okay GAF; let's only discuss serious issues from now on. Games aren't all that serious, so I guess it's been nice knowing you all : (
Steve Youngblood
Member
This is always a really bad observation devoid of any insight. Interest in discussing a topic is hardly measured only in its gravitas as it relates to important issues. Further, it's worth understanding that weighing in on an interview about a new video game console might be a topic that's just a tad more accessible than a topic about a sexual abuse scandal in the UK.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
The Super Bowl and World Cup are something I'd consider even less important than Reggie doing his job by spinning and lying.
There was actually at least one poster who semi-defended Saville by saying something like 'he was not that bad, just a dirty old man, not a paedo'. GAF really has a defence force for everything.
perineumlick
Member
Yet people will discuss it on a forum. You aren't forced to endure these threads you know. There are plenty other gaming related threads besides "Reggie Lied".
Contrary to what you might have heard from Jeremy Parish, there is no Paedophile Defence force on gaf to create any debate there. It's sad and terrible and not a lot can be said. I've certainly read the thread and followed DECK'ARD's amazing posts but there's very little I could say.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Obviously, but it amazes me we now have 16 pages of people being angry over a PR tool doing what a PR tool is paid to do.