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[Dark Octave]

Considering his first photos have the train much further away, he could have dropped his camera and gone to help the guy.

Lend just one hand even and pull him up.........

Try to pull the man back up on the platform.

His death and situation was straight out of Gantz.

What if he fell in with the guy? Or the guy that pushed the first guy in pushes him in as well. That's something that I would think about.

Also, I live in a city where there are no trains like this. It's impossible for me to know how fast it was going in the photo.

 

[DrForester]

Screw the photographer and everyone else there. Here's another picture, and the train is quite a bit farther away.

 

[Takamura-San]

Seems like most people are missing the fact that Han was drunk, mad, and functionally impaired. Best not to start fights on train platforms in those situations, I'd think. Nothing the photog could have done, you'd be surprised how fast all this happened in real time.

Didn't know the guy was Drunk.

And true about how fast thing happen.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

He had time to pull out the camera and get a shot of the train coming in. No excuses allowed here.

Maybe he had it out and it was turned on?

You don't know the circumstances, you weren't there. Being an internet hard man and saying you'd run over and pull them up regardless of the circumstances is ridiculous.

 

[Emily Chu]

When was this morning noon or night time ?

 

[Ingueferroque]

Screw the photographer and everyone else there. Here's another picture, and the train is quite a bit farther away.

Wow.. that is more than enough time to reach for the man and pull him up. But him being drunk, he might not have been in a state to respond.

 

[GK86]

Wow, what the fuck at the cover, and headline.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Lend just one hand even and pull him up.........

If there are other people there who didn't do it who knows the circumstances on whether that was something that he could actually do.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

I dont know whats really disgusting the crime or the emotionless newspaper headline that sounds like a bannable GAF post

 

[entremet]

The NYP makes no money, but Murdoch keeps it alive. Tells you a lot about that guy.

 

[SillyEskimo]

The headline, the people not giving a fuck and taking a picture...

Is right out of the first chapter of:

Damn... Oku was right.

First chapter of what? Who is Oku?

 

[Steelrain]

How fast do these trains go? I only know the subways in Tokyo and even in that far picture that dude would have been royally fucked because the train is moving fast as hell.

 

[Dmncnby2k9]

Screw the photographer and everyone else there. Here's another picture, and the train is quite a bit farther away.

damn. cmon man.

 

[Charles Foster Kane]

Too much apathy in those pictures.

It's depressing they preferred to take pictures instead of trying to help him.

 

[strafer]

Terrible frontpage, jesus christ.

The family must be feeling awful.

 

[friskykillface]

Screw the photographer and everyone else there. Here's another picture, and the train is quite a bit farther away.

:/ wow, the person had so much time to try to help. Just cause the photographer wanted to get a good picture a man dies. smh

What a sad story, honestly I usually never stand near the tracks for a train, I usually have my back to the wall or sitting cause I'm paranoid for something like this.

 

[fluffydelusions]

How fast do these trains go? I only know the subways in Tokyo and even in that far picture that dude would have been royally fucked because the train is moving fast as hell.

FAST! If that train conductor did not see that guy and was not yet slowing down, no one would have time to pull him up.

 

[commish]

NY Post article said at least one witness said the victim was really the aggressor and was drinking... who knows... that headline is crazy though.

 

[Reiko]

First chapter of what? Who is Oku?

Gantz.

Manga starts with a drunk man falling into the subway tracks. The two protagonists go to help.


Oku Hiroya, creator of Gantz.

 

[CrankyJay]

Man, that's fucking horrific. =(

 

[Heisenberg]

How fast do these trains go? I only know the subways in Tokyo and even in that far picture that dude would have been royally fucked because the train is moving fast as hell.

Yeah, I think people are forgetting how fast those subway trains come into the station.

If you can see the train in the background and the guy is still on the ground in that second picture - I highly doubt there was anything that could have been done.

 

[DrForester]

FAST! If that train conductor did not see that guy and was not yet slowing down, no one would have time to pull him up.

Wouldn't the train already be slowing down to stop at the station?

 

[phosphor112]

Maybe he had it out and it was turned on?

You don't know the circumstances, you weren't there. Being an internet hard man and saying you'd run over and pull them up regardless of the circumstances is ridiculous.

The circumstances was a man was pushed off the platform onto the tracks, and this photographer and the rest of the people stood back instead of helped him up.

Oh shit! Train is coming, lets look at it and take pictures of the guy about to die because we're standing here!

Yeah, ok.

 

[LiK]

Maybe hindsight is 20/20 but no one is near him to pull him up?

 

[Timedog]

That picture looks pretty clear for the cameraman to be RUNNING while taking photos in very low light conditions. I'm gonna guess that he either wasn't running, or that he took the time to adjust his exposure time and iso settings to account for the fact that he had to run.

 

[commish]

Yeah, I think people are forgetting how fast those subway trains come into the station.

If you can see the train in the background and the guy is still on the ground in that second picture - I highly doubt there was anything that could have been done.

Would only take a few seconds to get there.

 

[GregLombardi]

Oh my.

 

[Steelrain]

FAST! If that train conductor did not see that guy and was not yet slowing down, no one would have time to pull him up.

Oh, well...looks like his fate was decided the moment he left the platform.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Wouldn't the train already be slowing down to stop at the station?

Depends. Not all the trains stop at certain stations and the trains/platforms are really long so even if they are stopping they pull up quite fast

 

[Castor Krieg]

Question: Do you guys think the photo is too graphic for front page of newspaper?

You should've seen the stuff that gets posted in Asian newspapers. This is nothing.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

The circumstances was a man was pushed off the platform onto the tracks, and this photographer and the rest of the people stood back instead of helped him up.

Oh shit! Train is coming, lets look at it and take pictures of the guy about to die because we're standing here!

Yeah, ok.

You're not taking in to account shock, the speed of the train, the mental process of the photographer or the other people around them, etc etc.

You've read one article, seen two pictures and think you can judge everyone there. That's so incredibly stupid.

I'd like to put you in that position and see you run over without a seconds hesitation when a train is barreling towards a helpless man. I'm sure your actions would be very different from your internet persona.

 

[big_z]

If the train only dragged him 10-15 feet it must have been fairly close to a stop when it hit him.

 

[Dark Octave]

Didn't know the guy was Drunk.

And true about how fast thing happen.

Not trying to victim blame, but this is one of the reasons I don't get drunk, especially in public. Always be in a situation to where you can protect yourself at all times if you need to. He could have avoided getting thrown in the trains path or even pulled himself out of the pit had he been sober.

 

[Rootbeer]

WTF at that cover? If it wasn't for the gravity of the situation I'd almost find it comical, but as it is, seriously... wtf.

I kinda feel like that photo, headline, the entire cover pretty much sums up what journalism today is all about.

 

[Emily Chu]

Too much apathy in those pictures.

It's depressing they preferred to take pictures instead of trying to help him.

Hmm dunno for sure but its probably the most apathetic place in the entire city

If there was a rape or murder I'm sure most people would just run or get to one end of the platform

 

[Tenck]

You're not taking in to account shock, the speed of the train, the mental process of the photographer or the other people around them, etc etc.

So what about the front page photo? The guy had enough time to stand up and go to the edge of the concrete where people stand. Did he magically get up in a split second?

Edit: Not calling out the photographer since I wasn't there, just saying there was obviously some time for people to react. Unfortunately shock probably got to them.

 

[EVOL 100%]

Come on guys, even in that earlier photo the victim didn't have much time to get out of there, and he was drunk. Those trains are damn fast. The photographer really isn't to blame here, although it was pretty scummy of him to get these photos published.

Safety measures for these kind of incidents should really be implemented. It's mindblowing that this isn't a standard yet.

 

[okno]

A full train can barrel into a station in just a matter of seconds, so the odds of anyone being able to pull up a drunk, frantic 185+ pound man up onto the platform in time are slim. It's unfortunate that little effort was made, but there is a reason they tell you to stand away from the platform edge when a train arrives.

 

[richiek]

smh at the NY Post comments section. It is Rupert Murdoch rag though.

 

[nateeasy]

Is that paper real???

 

[dinazimmerman]

damn, remind me to stay away from crazy people when waiting for the train

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

So what about the front page photo? The guy had enough time to stand up and go to the edge of the concrete where people stand. Did he magically get up in a split second?

I don't know - I wasn't there so I don't know how fast things played out.

Neither do you, or the other posters.

Those are elements we all need to know before we even think about judging this man. That's my point.

We don't have enough details at all.

 

[Steelrain]

If the train only dragged him 10-15 feet it must have been fairly close to a stop when it hit him.

The operator said he saw the flashes was trying to stop but those things don't really stop on a dime.

 

[commish]

Hmm dunno for sure but its probably the most apathetic place in the entire city

If there was a rape or murder I'm sure most people would just run or get to one end of the platform

Ah yes, if only everyone was as heroic and selfless as everyone on GAF.

Edit: Honestly, people probably just didn't know what was going on. I know I pay next to no attention to anyone else on the platform when I am there.

 

[Antiwhippy]

So what about the front page photo? The guy had enough time to stand up and go to the edge of the concrete where people stand. Did he magically get up in a split second?

The train is close enough where the time to impact was probably around half a second.

So who knows?

 

[phosphor112]

You're not taking in to account shock, the speed of the train, the mental process of the photographer or the other people around them, etc etc.

You've read one article, seen two pictures and think you can judge everyone there. That's so incredibly stupid.

I'd like to put you in that position and see you run over without a seconds hesitation when a train is barreling towards a helpless man. I'm sure your actions would be very different from your internet persona.

I wouldn't pull out my damn camera, that's for sure. Sure he's a photographer, but seriously? I commend those photographers getting those shots that really count, but this is inexcusable. I have no doubt that some of those people were probably waving to the sub that was coming, but something more could have happened.

 

[Kwhit10]

Were the no one else there to help warn the driver or help the person out.

This women in this video fell on the tracks drunk while a train was coming and the people were able to flag the driver down to stop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4uQDEW0jI

 

[Timedog]

alleged video of the alleged pusher:

http://vimeo.com/54853116#

 

[Empty]

yeah between the speed of a train, the shock of it suddenly happening and the bystander effect i'm not ready to attack the people on the platform.

the new york post front cover though uggggghhhhh. horrible.

 

[Tenck]

I don't know - I wasn't there so I don't know how fast things played out.

Neither do you, or the other posters.

Those are elements we all need to know before we even think about judging this man. That's my point.

We don't have enough details at all.

I'm presenting one possibility, while you present another one. Like I said in my edit, there's no good in calling out the photographer. I'm sure most of us would have been frozen in place trying to piece everything together.