A big bang would occur and a Microsoft only Universe would be created in place of ours.
In Dragon Ball Z terms Gohan would release his hidden power.
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A big bang would occur and a Microsoft only Universe would be created in place of ours.
In Dragon Ball Z terms Gohan would release his hidden power.
shinobi602
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Not...really. I mean I own a Wii U. I'm not going to be disappointed with it visually when I purchase a 720/PS4 and see games on those sytems look much better. The Wii U is what it is. I look at each system within a vacuum, really. Like I said, I think each system's exclusives will play to its strengths significantly. When looking at Durango compared to the 360, it's an astronomical jump in processing power. That'll translate later into the games.
If multiplats look better on PS4, so be it, I'll get them on that.
Can Crusher
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That's totally not what happens.
PS3 price was jacked up because of Blu Ray. Sony doesn't have some fairy dust that will allow them to create a console that is significantly more powerful than MS's one, at the same TDP and price and has the same capabilities to deliver the same features.
It's not feasible. That's even worse than believing in secret sauce honestly.
zomgbbqftw
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:lol
Mr.Wreckless
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A lot of good those Sony exclusives did for them this gen, right. Sony could release a Killzone, Resistance, LBP, inFamous, etc...that completely destroys whatever MS decides to put out graphically but the numbers show people really dont give a crap about those games.
Don't bold as if you were stating absolute truth without providing any actual cost analysis.
So how much more powerful is the PS4 in comparison to Durango based on the leaked specs.
Is it enough for PS4 to have 1080p over Durango only having something like 800p. Or PS4 games running 60 fps while Durango games run at 40fps, or PS4 geting more effects like better AA. Obviously these figures are just random figures I am giving, but you get the jist. Will the gap in power be more distinguishable than PS3 to 360.
Is it enough for PS4 to have 1080p over Durango only having something like 800p. Or PS4 games running 60 fps while Durango games run at 40fps, or PS4 geting more effects like better AA. Obviously these figures are just random figures I am giving, but you get the jist. Will the gap in power be more distinguishable than PS3 to 360.
He wasn't even talking about sales (?).
Also didn't PS3 sold more, WW, than x360? I think those games were part of this.
phosphor112
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There is nothing more complex than what the Orbis has proposed.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
It will be interesting to see how MS position themselves now and if this bet pays out.
And how MS reacts if it doesnt.
On one hand, if it does not pay out, MS has the financial strength to do something about it.
Sony does not have the same leverage financially..
Next gen wars will be dirty!!
But whatever platform has the best versions of cyberpun-types of games, will be mine..
And how MS reacts if it doesnt.
On one hand, if it does not pay out, MS has the financial strength to do something about it.
Sony does not have the same leverage financially..
Next gen wars will be dirty!!
But whatever platform has the best versions of cyberpun-types of games, will be mine..
grimshawish
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They don't so I don't know why you are being snarky about it!
Whilst Sony fanboys (and I do mean 'boys') enjoy their shiny games that helps them with their sexual insecurities; I will be having a conversation with my fucking Xbox!
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E.g. (the above was a joke ofc) I don't think theres enough for Xbox fans to latch onto to even make up for the lack of power.
We'll see what E3 holds but personally I think MS is in trouble; and I don't trust the companies overall culture or goals to deliver what I or what I expect many potential customers would like to see met.
Sony on the other hand seem to have a system that could have a pretty significant impact.
The controller is the only negative so far, if it hasn't gotten more user friendly.
Am intrigued by how the sales will go.
Then why would the MS engineers use it over GDDR5?
*sigh*
Always the sales argument when someone says something that could even be slightly bad about MS, even when it has nothing to do with sales. Makes me wonder how many of you are gamers or just investors.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
"but the sales man!"
I believe that is time.
What kind of performance difference, if any, will depend on individual games. Different games stress different aspects of performance differently. I don't think you'll be typically seeing cases where a game is one framerate on Durango and twice the framerate on Orbis or anything like that, though.
What kinds of differences are more typical will come out in the wash later, when multiplats can be compared.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
time of release or age not power, and yeah its a bit off but you get the point
amstradcpc
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Well, Battlefield 3 on ultra at 1080p is near 30fps on AMD HD7850 and near 20 on HD7770. So, if things would be like that in this case it wouldn´t be playable on Xbox 720.
shinra-bansho
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Wanting the amount of RAM they do as a priority presumably precludes GDDR5.
Can Crusher
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What software?
What are you talking about even, you think some facebook app or whatever will make a difference?
The big things are already in there. Online and ability to watch T.V and movie content in it. Communities will be entirely dependent on games now, because nobody is gonna boot their console just to go on facebook and talk with somebody.
It's about the games, and then everything else.
grimshawish
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Neither have the financial flexibility though. Ballmer would have to take even more money from the business side to prop up the consumer side of the business.
The problem is hes already having to deal with serious issues elsewhere; there will be pressure I feel for MS to move into assisting businesses in offering things like digital distribution as oppose to providing it themselves.
They need the OS RAM to be there at all times and it would be too expensive to include 8GB DDR5.
It's the biggest newspaper in the UK, and one of the top worldwide tabloids.
McHuj
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I'm not convinced that the difference will translate to more than fps and something like 1080p vs slightly sub 1080p resolution. If we were talking about a 7770 level of performance vs a 1GHz 7970 where the flop count was almost 400% more instead of 50% more, sure I think the differences would be much more noticeable.
Well I have always figured people care about sales, trumpet sales because it means the games/system they prefer can continue to be made, and won't be Dreamcasted/Segaed/3DOed, Jaguared etc. So if it is selling well then you know hey they'll be around in the long run. After all more consoles failed in our hobby than have been successful.
Speedy Blue Dude
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So wait GAF.
What can I expect from Durango? Can I expect 1080p at 60 frames?
What can I expect from Orbis? 1080p at 60 frames?
What can I expect from Durango? Can I expect 1080p at 60 frames?
What can I expect from Orbis? 1080p at 60 frames?
Considering ROP and Tflop power GDDR5 wouldn't change anything. DDR3 and SRAM was good choice considering they won't need so much bandwidth afterall. GDDR5 for Durango with that spec would be just waste of resources.
metareferential
Member
So the simplicity is rather on the software side (tools), as implied by Sony.
Which is something only time can prove.
shinobi602
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zomgbbqftw
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It is exactly what happens. PS3 was ~ $800 to produce at the start, blue violet laser diodes were not that expensive, it was Cell, XDR and RSX that cost a lot. Notice that for those three specs Sony have gone in a completely different direction, no custom parts, all off the shelf and easily available. Plus Blu-ray drives are not much more expensive that DVD drives now so Orbis won't have that problem either.
32MB ESRAM will add a significant amount to the APU die which will raise costs and lower yields.
They don't... But I'll be buying a ps4 =P
Ken Masters
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Can someone dumb down this tech talk for me please?
zomgbbqftw
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I have no idea. Ask them.
I would suggest setting your expectations bar at 720p/30fps for both of them and being pleasantly surprised if anything else happens.
shinobi602
Member
You can get that this gen.
It all depends on the game and what it's pushing onscreen at a technical level. If you're expecting next gen's Halo, Uncharted, GTA, etc at 1080p/60fps, then...no. You might get them at 1080p, but don't expect 60fps.
grimshawish
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If there is no resolution jump in the generation after this, would it be incorrect of me to assume RAM will become increasingly optimised in its current form? A bit like processors seem pretty generic? If I make sense. Just to get an understanding of the current allocation in Orbis.
Expect? That's up to the decision of devs.
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velociraptor
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SneakyStephan
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zomgbbqftw
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It's still a piece of shit though.
well, difference in cost could be due to Kinect included into every package... someone has to pay for that and it will allow MS price parity... maybe even MS subsidies more than Sony.
Considering how their plan is to push for cable boxes with 720, every $0.01 matters.
As to what it translates to in terms of graphics, who knows. Microsoft might be able to provide Kinect, and/or lower price with "similar" graphics to possibly more expensive PS4.
On other hand, due to Kinect being standard, their BoM might be the same, and Sony might be able to show the difference in graphics that are easily experienced.
We wont really know until we play the games. Everything else is speculation and a lot of fun.
Considering how their plan is to push for cable boxes with 720, every $0.01 matters.
As to what it translates to in terms of graphics, who knows. Microsoft might be able to provide Kinect, and/or lower price with "similar" graphics to possibly more expensive PS4.
On other hand, due to Kinect being standard, their BoM might be the same, and Sony might be able to show the difference in graphics that are easily experienced.
We wont really know until we play the games. Everything else is speculation and a lot of fun.
Yet still no numbers.
amstradcpc
Member
Well, put them a COD at 60fps in one side and the same COD at 90fps in the other side...
Sorry but current console usage and demographics say different....
For instance many people buying android tablets for Christmas this year went with Jelly Bean only devices because the software is just that much better. I'm not saying it wasn't the only factor but it was definitely a factor. I'm also not saying it's going to be a big factor in these two consoles selling because it's not but saying software and multimedia capabilities won't make a difference is silly.
Many people bought the PS3 because it could play blu-rays not because of the games.
metalslimer
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Good advice. 3rd party developers don't give a crap about 60FPS.
I was expecting secret sauce, but instead I seem to be seeing a downgrade? :S 16 ROP's?
Because it's extremely low latency, and less complex/demanding to get in than DDR3 + GDDR5 which is a task and a half. And why no 8GB GDDR5? Far too expensive, especially to use a big chunk of it on the OS, which doesn't even need such high bandwidth ram.
Because it's extremely low latency, and less complex/demanding to get in than DDR3 + GDDR5 which is a task and a half. And why no 8GB GDDR5? Far too expensive, especially to use a big chunk of it on the OS, which doesn't even need such high bandwidth ram.
That's assuming that Sony will announce a price first.
I'm not expecting any pricing until E3.
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