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DF: Orbis vs Durango Spec Analysis
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I'm very curious to see if it'll make it to launch or not. It may just quietly disappear before it hits the market.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Highly, highly doubtful.
Achieving twice the flops per core is not something trivial that can be obtained with simple tweaks.
If it's true the cores they're using can't even be called Jaguar, they're just something else much more powerful and that goes against all the known speculation so far.
So before an other 'secret sauce' case is created it would be better to just relax and see how PS4 actual specs compare to the leaked/rumored ones in a few days just to begin with. Then we'll get an idea about how these leaks have been accurate so far and we'll continue with the next Xbox speculation.
If it's true the cores they're using can't even be called Jaguar, they're just something else much more powerful and that goes against all the known speculation so far.
So before an other 'secret sauce' case is created it would be better to just relax and see how PS4 actual specs compare to the leaked/rumored ones in a few days just to begin with. Then we'll get an idea about how these leaks have been accurate so far and we'll continue with the next Xbox speculation.
ALBOFIGHTER
Member
There's no way Sony would do always online. They have a huge market in Europe. The only way it would happen is by region which would piss off a lot of westerners.
Is there a link to this?
Would be a bit comical if all this speculation was based on....well, speculation.
phosphor112
Banned
Most of the design features of console vs the PC is from limited GPU and ram capabilities, not CPU limitations. Also, CPU was highly limited because of the extensive audio processing.
Is there a link to this?
Would be a bit comical if all this speculation was based on....well, speculation.
Some people want some speculation to be rumors and others to be purely speculation.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1692679&postcount=18007
This is what bkilian had to say about this some months back.
This is what bkilian had to say about this some months back.
Is there a link to this?
Would be a bit comical if all this speculation was based on....well, speculation.
Bgassasin just stated that its not speculation as he is the one that posted it......so its not speculation.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
I expect this realisation for both consoles. Starting next week. =)
Somewhat off-topic, but...
Has there been any consideration of Xenon and Xenos being integrated for the OS/Kinect or low power tasks? I seem to recall rumors of a second set of processors. If so, obviously, BC would be in the bag as well.
Perhaps they are better integrated thanks to the display planes?
Would something like this work?
Has there been any consideration of Xenon and Xenos being integrated for the OS/Kinect or low power tasks? I seem to recall rumors of a second set of processors. If so, obviously, BC would be in the bag as well.
Perhaps they are better integrated thanks to the display planes?
Would something like this work?
Floating point performance wise? By replacing the regular FP units with fused multiply add ones (like found on AMD's big cores).
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always knew this btw, and its more than double
It's frowned upon in this topics to tease...
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always knew this btw, and its more than double
oh wow, who might you be?
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always knew this btw, and its more than double
How many GFLOPS?
300?
400?
500?
are we back to Xbox 3 being a supercomputer?
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always knew this btw, and its more than double
O_O
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
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always knew this btw, and its more than double
Avatar graphics confirmed?
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always knew this btw, and its more than double
phosphor112
Banned
And he bails thread. -__-
It's frowned upon in this topics to tease...
Yes. It is.
To all: I hope your sources don't mind your accounts being on the line, regardless of whether or not you choose to divulge who that source is. Because they are. "Things change" doesn't really work for me when you choose to spill information.
Haha.
ALBOFIGHTER
Member
I think he's a dev. posts on b3d a lot, but not sure how certain the cpu rumour is. I'm glad durango's cpu is twice as powerful as pathetic netbook jaguar but I hope orbis has some modifications too at least. This sounds like a reversal where microsoft is focusing on cpu more this time and sony on gpu. Doesn't make sense. I hope we get more details next week. Once I know next gen cpus and gpus are stronger then people thought, I won't have to worry about the hardware anymore.
bgassassin
Member
Well I stand by what I revealed, though I'm only going to be around a few more days so it's not like this is a big risk to my account.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
What's this about?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1707848&postcount=2263
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1707853&postcount=2265
These speculations are all over the place. Ugh. I can't wait till this is all over on the 20th. For PS4 at least.
Do you guys think we'll get more, real, specs for durango once sony announces theirs?
EDIT- Where are you going, bgassassi?
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1707848&postcount=2263
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1707853&postcount=2265
These speculations are all over the place. Ugh. I can't wait till this is all over on the 20th. For PS4 at least.
Do you guys think we'll get more, real, specs for durango once sony announces theirs?
EDIT- Where are you going, bgassassi?
Can Crusher
Banned
It's cool to know MS spent at least some time and effort to get a better cpu. I don't know why that was a priority but I guess Cell helped with graphics a lot.
Don't understand why some people started reacting badly about the info BG is passing, did I miss the bad news?
Don't understand why some people started reacting badly about the info BG is passing, did I miss the bad news?
The bad news is that according their source, always online is 100% confirmed
phosphor112
Banned
EDIT: This post is pretty silly. How is everything in the 720 GPU doubled? Even the bits of the ROPs? LMAO!
Easy there partner, I've personally heard Orbis has a noticable power advantage over Durango. Akin to Gamecube --> Xbox. DICE and Ubi are also rumored to love the machine and had a healthy hand in criticism.
phosphor112
Banned
I agree. The GPU in the PS4 is going to be better, it's basically confirmed in every rumor, the CPU being stronger is new to everyone here, so that might cause confusion.
If those third party publishing giants approve then there is less to fear than I had earlier anticipated. It is a good thing that you got your account back before 20th.
Kung Fu Grip
Banned
I don't need to take it easy because i was just asking a question.
Thank's for your info. And round and round we go. wow.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
If you're saying that those more or less dedicated compute units would be working full time on camera analysis, that's almost for sure not going to be the case. I really doubt those cameras would be running during gameplay for most games, other than those that would be made to use their functionality, of course. If that was the case, they'd never even mention those CUs could be used for various things, including graphics if required.
So now we have different developers going back and forth. Awesome.
Exactly what I was thinking.
No chance
Where is it realistic to draw the line? here are some options:
Crysis 1 on low medium setting @720p 60 fps
Crysis 1 on medium setting @720p 30 fps
Crysis 1 on high setting @480p cinematic 24 fps
BF3 on lowest setting @720p 60 fps
BF3 on medium setting @720p 30 fps
BF3 on highest setting @480p cinematic 24 fps
-Pyromaniac-
Member
good to hear about Dice having a hand.
gaming_noob
Member
DICE and Ubi are also rumored to love the Durango as well.
Durr, this is getting ridiculous.
phosphor112
Banned
How did the Wii do it?
Funny man.
You know if the difference is similar to xbox vs gcn then that makes what llherre said more correct. gcn, while not a match to the xbox in absolute terms could do alot of things better than the xbox although utlimately the xbox would come out on top. Llherre did say that both consoles were close, with somethings favoring one or the other, and that at the end of the day it will be another ps360 situation. I feel we will get more details as we go along, what with the rumor of the MEC kinect processor in durango and its particularly beastly audio dsp. I just think that at the end of the day, it will not be as clear cut as it seems.
So I'm assuming the double Jaguar performance is simply AMD not having to "double-pump" 256-bit wide SSE instructions through a 128-bit execution unit? That rumor's been floating around for a while publicly for the Durango, and I'm not completely convinced that works out to double the flops.
iceatcs
Junior Member
The problem is CG vs xbox is different than PS3vs360. That has leading more curious around here. Otherwise could have said PS3 vs 360 v2 if it will be repeat this gen situation.
JohnnySasaki86
Member
It does make sense, because it lines up with the rumors that MS wants this machine to be a Win8 multitasking monster that does a lot more then just play games. Where as Sony wants something that a bit more of a traditional gaming machine and wants to focus on rendering.
edit: What I think one of the real questions, when comparing the Orbis vs Durango, is how the OS overhead will compare between the two? A lot of that extra flops on the CPU side of Durango could be offset by 2 cores being locked from games and reserved for the OS.
Remember the leaked MS document slides? Said the machine was 8x powerful than 360, but for games it will only be 6x, "2x" of the systems power being used by non gaming applications.
This is awesome news since Ubi has been pushing for higher specs for a while and since DICE's FB 2.0 engine will be powering all EA games next gen.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Aye, I hope they had more work on GPU side for their new engine. I have spent lot of money on GPU for my PC build. I would like to see more out of it worth.