If that was true, than my theory was correct.
Both Nintendo and Sony not doing what EA wants and Microsoft does so EA gives both of them not so great support and gives Microsoft an "unprecedented partnership"
Guess we'll have to see.
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Square's Ian Livingstone talks next-gen; hints at always-on, used game-blocking Xbox
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If that was true, than my theory was correct.
Both Nintendo and Sony not doing what EA wants and Microsoft does so EA gives both of them not so great support and gives Microsoft an "unprecedented partnership"
Guess we'll have to see.
Baconsammy
Banned
And the rumors we heard are coming from devs that went to a recent MS dev conference and were apparently told about these things. You'd imagine he had devs there too.
Really... is this... GAF > GAF > RAM > GAF > GAF? Supposedly.
Hah, that's exactly who I pictured in my head trying to spin this as a positive just because he has to play games for a living.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Which would be amazing, as I don't do multiplayer that much.
Ploid 3.0
Member
But they are now on blu ray, if they need multi disks on bluray the hard drive space will have to be huge.
Arrogant Menace
Banned
None
He should have thrown in a RAM thing there somewhere.
No way Durango comes with enough local storage to install entire blu-ray discs onto it with any real quantity.
Sony has said it doesn't need to be online at all, ever, so that indicates no disc based watermarking in effect, at least not the kind that needs online activation.
I'd bet Sony is offering an expanded version of their online play codes model for publishers to opt in, ensuring they don't have to provide online service to gamers who buy used if they don't want to.
EA is not an 800 pound gorilla anymore. Madden is in sales decline, FIFA is only just this generation re-establishing itself and in constant jeopardy of giving that mark back to Winning Eleven/Pro Evo, and 2K makes the basketball games now, and Sony makes the best baseball game. EA Sports has seen it's market clout gutted due to EA's own actions (Madden exclusivity). The rest of their library has never had system seller clout.
Activision Blizzard could maybe be a threat due to CoD, Destiny, etc.. But they had two different announcements at Sony's show, Diablo III and Destiny as a day and date PS4 release with exclusive content.
Even Take 2/Rockstar with GTA doesn't have that much play as GTA4 is viewed with mediocre hindsight and they've been slow to follow it up. GTA5 is a PS3/360 title meaning the next GTA game on the new gen consoles is several years away, too late to change market landscape.
There is basically no 3rd party "reward" MS could have lined up to nullify the damage this would do to them.
Devilgunman
Member
If they implement all that crap into Durango but sell it at $299, will people buy it?
No, they probably won't. But they'll be forced to give an answer in post-conference interviews. Any attempt to talk their way around it would essentially be confirmation.
No because you're already paying your online pass in XBOXLive GOLD.
Baconsammy
Banned
I don't get why you need to force it on every dev. If a dev doesn't want their games to be sold used, just release it as a digital-only title.
If they have third party support for these changes, they'll have all the ammo they need to do it. And consumers will go where the strongest support is.
If they have third party support for these changes, they'll have all the ammo they need to do it. And consumers will go where the strongest support is.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
"Supposedly" is a nice word used by people who don't want to break NDA. I think it's crazy to believe this guy didn't have devs involved in those closed-door meetings.
Omegasquash
Member
I doubt this will be the gen that we see it, but we will see it at some point. The move to all-digital will be a big step in that direction.
Baconsammy
Banned
They took a risk dumping all support for dial-up at the start of this gen. People said they'd suffer for it. They didn't. Hard to read consumers sometimes. I personally don't think used games will matter to the masses. Sure matters to me though.
I can see the benefits for them. I just can't see what they'll claim the benefits for me are.
timetokill
Banned
The positives would be publisher support, as in early exclusives on every title, etc.
So if they do it they'd have to be expecting/guaranteed that kind of support.
KennyLinder
Member
Criterion have been removed from the dev list? WTF?!
Yeah I know, although I don't believe Sony for one minute there, but I am not interested about that. I was merely commentating that what Livingston said sounds similar to that Patent.
Temporarily. What I understood is: supposedly,
Here you go.
The original XBOX didn't support dial-up either (well, technically it was possible).
If the discs are tied to a console then we have a Wii U type download situation. What if your Xbox breaks and you have to buy a new one - none of your games will work anymore.
This move would also damage the second hand system market. If you decide to sell your Xbox, all your games basically have to go in the trash. Not very appealing.
If they are tied to the console, then when you sell the console, they get your games as well.
I have a bad feeling that Microsoft has a few major third party games on lock down that, along with a very competitive price and strong ecosystem loyalty, will validate their decision to follow through on these rumours with great sales.
I hope not.
But I do, because I'm incredibly selfish and don't want to have to buy another platform thats nearly identical to one I already own.
But I hope not.
I hope not.
But I do, because I'm incredibly selfish and don't want to have to buy another platform thats nearly identical to one I already own.
But I hope not.
Not in the UK. We're still technically in recession, people can't afford games. Killing the used market without significantly decreasing the prices of games will cause the next xbox to fail.
EdwardTivrusky
Member
This. There's no way i would be able to use Steam as much as i do and download big releases if i had to rely on my home connection alone.
If games are going to go bigger and flashier then there will be a lot more data required and in most of the world it would not be feasible to download 30GB+ say, not in a timely manner anyway. DD is fine for smaller games for most of us but my big games are bought on disk whenever possible.
That may change in the next 5-10 years but MS may decide that those of us without big internet aren't worth bothering with. I'd put money on it being the reason MS and Sony are both looking heavily at cloud services and streaming at the moment. Not for the upcoming consoles but maybe the next.
Didn't Sony say they were going to leave it to the publishers to decide whether to implement the Sony used games system or not on Playstation 4 releases?
Expand on that?
timetokill
Banned
It would be the same as they do with Xbox360 now -- games are tied to both the account AND the console. If you switch consoles the game license gets shifted. It won't be an issue there.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I think FIFA, Madden has to be released on every viable platform due to contracts. Sony could lose Battlefield, Mass Effect, Dead Space,
Fuse
I heard Sony's way to combat second hand used game is an activation fee akin to online passes that would work even if the console never goes online, I'm not sure how that's achievable but that's what I heard. So basically if you buy a game used from gamestop and goes to put it on your PS4, the system will ask you to go to PSN and pay 10 bucks to activate the game, sony keeps 30%, publisher gets 70%. I'm not sure publishers would want this as you don't get as much as you would from a brand new copy of the game.
If these rumors are to be believed, it seems that the 720 just blocks the used game, might make someone like Kottick happy.
If PS4 allows used games and 720 blocks them, but 720 gets Battlefield 4, GTA VI, and COD 2013 exclusively, I'm not sure MS is going to be losing this battle, matter of fact, I think they would be winning.
Sorry, brain not working. Would be a problem if games are tied to the account.
Baconsammy
Banned
It won't kill the Xbox. It might signal a huge shift in people's decision making when they buy a cross-platform game though. If it's a game I know I'll want for years, I'll buy it digitally. If it's merely a one-and-done, I'm going with the version I can sell/trade.
Willy Wanka
my god this avatar owns
That actually makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the current perception that EA & Sony embrace the used game market when their actions from this generation suggest otherwise.
Killing_Joke
Member
Doubtful. I don't think devs are crying for the end of used games. They just want a piece of the pie which is why they started the online pass. This is just another way for MS to cash in on the used game business.
If MS started a "used game pass" would they even need to split it with devs? They might give a few dollars to save face, but MS can easily pocket $10-$15 with every used game. That's if this idea doesn't completely back fire on them which i hope it does.
Sony doesn't use peer-to-peer generally for it's online network (like MS does) so there is that additional cost to them, so charging online passes makes sense for them that way. They do not block you from playing your single player experience (if bought used), but if you want to go online and use their servers, you'll unlock that with a pass.
The "watermark" is probably a unique serial number in the header of the disc, it doesn't affect the game data.
Sony is already using this (is it already in the normal Blu-ray spec?) - pretty sure this is how "Cross-buy" works when you buy a PS3 game with a free digital copy of the Vita version. The disc has a unique ID burned onto it somewhere and you can activate and redeem it once, but after it's been activated, that disc can't be used to get another digital copy.
It looks like used games on PS4 are getting behind a paywall. And Sony is going to try to push streaming, which means you have to be always online. Not the same, but close.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
That´s just a public statement, it does mean very little. For all we know EA might be pressuring MS to block used games.
Chû Totoro
Member
Maybe 30$ games instead 
I may think about it eventually if it's like this + free Xbox Live Gold
Jake Tower
Banned
What you did there. I see it.
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