PJV3
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Great.
The "behead those who insult islam" crew will turn up next, they can have a knob-head party.
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Man dead after 'knife attack' in Woolwich
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Great.
The "behead those who insult islam" crew will turn up next, they can have a knob-head party.
Meus Renaissance
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I fear this is going to draw out trouble makers from both sides to take advantage of the situation
Cpt.Underpants
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That pretty much happens quite often as an immigrant regardless of skin color, creed and religion
If ever there was a good case for Mutually Assured Destruction.
PJV3
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CyclopsRock
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Specifically meeting room A, I believe. It's the most utterly mundane real name for a super cool acronym ever.
Ravensmash
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Stick them in a boxing ring and charge £14.95 for it on PPV.
D'oh. Last time I moaned about it a colleague corrected me. Stupid slider.
No it does not. It happens because of socio economic problems. When people immigrate, they generally come from poorer countries and as such end up living in harder circumstances in the UK. It's a vicious cycle. I'm a Londoner myself and there's nasty chav estate's, black estate's, Asian estates etc. All are privy to crime, violence etc, and the one thing they all have in common is socio economic standings and education standards.
Think, there are stabbings, murders etc all the time in the UK, yet this case will get blown out of proportion and be used to promote all sorts of different right wing agendas. Just the other day an off duty officer was shot to death in Essex, compare the kind of coverage both cases are receiving. One is a crazed mad man, the other is a Muslim terrorist.
PJV3
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EDL in Woolwich. Throwing bottles at police officers according to Guardian reporter Ben Quinn.
Well that's gonna sort it out?
Maybe throw a few at the soldiers n the barracks as well.
BennBeckman
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I was born here. I've been called a paki numerous times and had the shit kicked out of me. My parents have had it far, far worse
I doubt the poster i quoted cares though. Too busy bemoaning the plight of the majority.
CHEEZMO
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EDL in Woolwich. Throwing bottles at police officers according to Guardian reporter Ben Quinn.
EDL doing what they do best: getting pissed up at the nearest pub like the racist hooligans they are.
Miles Quaritch
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EDL in Woolwich. Throwing bottles at police officers according to Guardian reporter Ben Quinn.
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EDL in Woolwich. Throwing bottles at police officers according to Guardian reporter Ben Quinn.
Oh good the nutters are out.
Only a few weeks ago a 75 year old muslim man was stabbed to death in birmingham. Big story? Dont be silly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-22348820
Nothing will happen, there is more press and police than EDL.
courtesy of: https://twitter.com/dazburn
I don't see a stated motive. Do you know more about the attack than what is listed?
Oh joy, the EDL are there. That'll make things better for everyone, surely.
Sigh.
This 'bemoaning the plight of the majority' bollocks is all in your head.
Sigh.
I'm going to assume you've neither read nor understood my posts on the subject, so I'll reiterate: racial harassment, whether physical or verbal, is fucked up regardless of the colour of the victim or perpetrator. It isn't less serious or hurtful because the victim is a member of the majority and the perpetrator is a member of a traditionally oppressed group. You're welcome to feel differently, but I disagree with you.
This 'bemoaning the plight of the majority' bollocks is all in your head.
kobashi100
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racist attacks in Edinburgh earlier this month, 8 years old FFS!!
preaching what?
Well there you go. I hadn't heard of this news.
Tell me Dave, are you a minority? I agree that no racial abuse should be tolerated, and that in the eyes of the law it should be treated equally, but "less hurtful"? That's a stretch. I don't think you understand what it's like to be a minority, and to stand out simply because of the colour of your skin.
kobashi100
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CHEEZMO;58664165 said:
yeah they even tried to get a division in Scotland going and failed miserably..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html
Witness talked to the telegraph.
Witness talked to the telegraph.
I don't understand your point. Are you arguing that the person who shot the police officer was a terrorist, or are you arguing that the people who killed the solider today are not terrorists?
It literally has to be one or the other, and both points are completely wrong anyway. It's like you stretch and contort the definition of words to fit your own political agenda.
Can you not see why this is an incidence of terrorism and the shooting of the off duty police officer is not an act of terrorism, albeit still a serious incident?
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Vilix
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EDL in Woolwich. Throwing bottles at police officers according to Guardian reporter Ben Quinn.
What is EDL?
Why are they attacking the police? How stupid are these people.EDL in Woolwich. Throwing bottles at police officers according to Guardian reporter Ben Quinn.
Miles Quaritch
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Work Programme.
I joked about it previously, but I really do believe large portions of their supporters have been swallowed up into the work programme.
CHEEZMO;58664165 said:
You have the incompetence of these guys to thank for that: Six plead guilty to plotting attack on EDL rally - Men from West Midlands had planned to target English Defence League rally in Dewsbury but arrived after it had finished
If they were turned into a 'victim' they would suddenly have a grasp on relevance.
I have blue eyes, if that counts.
Seriously though, you can tell from my avatar that I'm not a minority. Feel free to discount my feelings on the matter on account of my skin colour. Feel free to (slightly) marginalise racism against members of the majority. Feel free to stress how others have had it harder than Nicktendo and therefore he should suck it up and move on. Feel free to treat empathy as a zero sum game. I get where you're coming from, as much as I can, anyway.
I do understand that things are worse for others, I just don't think that means lesser issues should get a free pass, or always be framed against the suffering of others.
The English Defence League - a bunch of unemployed, wife-beating racists who like to get drunk and cause trouble whenever they think it'll get some attention.
Miles Quaritch
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CHEEZMO
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They are. But their disintegration began a couple of years ago, before this UKIP surge. It's what happens when your fascist street gang full of drunk, drug-addled football hooligans too stupid to count how many fingers they have is run by those exact same types of people. EDL as a "thing" is effectively extinct, being kept on life support by the usual suspects and a die hard core who love a good pub crawl and just want to shout at some pakis without fear of being beaten up in return. Lucky if they can get over a couple of dozen people out on the street at best.
I'm saying that in both cases the people were just mentally ill violent nutters.
Miles Quaritch
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Eyes like the ocean no doubt. Can I get lost in your eyes, dear Smoky? Dare I imagine such a possibility? Your piercing blue eyes, penetrating my very soul.
Oo-er missus.
Seriously though, I get that I'm not 'qualified' to speak on the negative effects of racism. I just gave a knee jerk reaction to 'yeah, well we have it worse!'.
Come on man. Did you even read my post? I'd like you to point out where I said any of that.
Ravensmash
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Wickerbasket
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There will always be assholes.
You get the same sort of chat from kids in the shittier parts of Glasgow if you're in "their" area.
They're only looking for an excuse for a fight.
To be honest, I was railing against the larger concept and not so much you specifically. I apologise for 'offloading' on you. I have no idea which is more hurtful, nor do I wish to find out. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.
I don't know. Maybe their parents are Muslims and they were raised Muslim which is why under the influence of drugs they shouted some of the things they did. They just don't seem like the al-Qaeda type of terrorist. It's kind of hard for me to qualify this as islamic terrorism. We'll see I suppose.
kobashi100
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foreign policy! The government have to stop denying and ignoring this issue.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html
But you agree that one is an incidence of terrorism and the other is not?
Beyond that, I have no idea if either can be considered as being mentally ill, and I doubt you have enough insight to make that judgement either.
I find the categorisation of seemingly every violent offender to be mentally ill, to be reductive, disparaging and offensive. It's lazy and it offers nothing.
It seems fairly obvious to me that it is possible to commit violent crimes and acts of terrorism without being considered mentally ill, it just takes a warped version of the world and a seed to be planted and left to grow.
Anders Breivik was judged to be sane, with a personality disorder, and in full control of himself when he planned and carried out his operation. It appears that the two men today have planned (albeit on a much low level) this attack and were in full control of themselves when they carried it out.
This is one of my biggest problems with (an element) of the left. I'm all for reducing social inequality and giving people equal opportunities and treatment for illness, but reducing the perpetrators of violent crime to "well, he's a mentally ill nutter, in a way, it's all our fault" just doesn't make any sense to me. Personal responsibility has to come in somewhere.
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