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MS: Xbox One 40x More Powerful Than 360 with the Cloud, Only 10x Without the Cloud

Lol what i don't get is since an internet connection is only required once a day. What would happen if you want to play a game that "supposedly" uses all of this 40x power and you are not connected at that time?
 
Q

Queen of Hunting

Unconfirmed Member
explains why they will keep supporting xbox 360
 

ymmv

Banned
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.
Do you actually believe this?
 

Vandiger

Member
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Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.
Just like SimShitty.
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
Lol what i don't get is since an internet connection is only required once a day. What would happen if you want to play a game that "supposedly" uses all of this 40x power and you are not connected at that time?

You will get 40x lower framerate and texture resolution
 
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

You and HarSon should share meds.
 

daveo42

Banned
I wonder if their only solution to try and stave off latency is by spending tons on getting servers. Not that it won't really bring the latency down enough to matter graphically. Didn't they say it could help run physics calcs in the background?
 
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

this all sounds eerily familiar
 

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

I cannot tell sarcasm anymore... E3 is gonna break me.
 

Emitan

Member
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.
If mS has this super amazing technology maybe they should have showed it at their press conference. Or mentioned it
 

TheExodu5

Banned
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

Time sensitive computations (graphics/physics related) still take up the majority of a system's computation potential. By their metric, they'd be offloading 3/4 of the XBOne's computations to the cloud, which is absolute nonsense.
 
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

Is this a joke, for real, please tell me.
 

Brashnir

Member
Time sensitive computations (graphics/physics related) still take up the majority of a system's computation potential. By their metric, they'd be offloading 3/4 of the XBOne's computations to the cloud, which is absolute nonsense.

Indeed. And if this was really possible, why even release a new console at all? Just offload all that shit in regular-ass 360 games, destroy the competition and keep your huge userbase.

You know why they don't know do that? Because it doesn't fucking work that way.
 

iNvid02

Member
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

this sounds pretty groundbreaking, i wonder why they didnt demo any of it the other day

edit: was this sarcasm? i hope so, i cant fucking tell anymore gaf
 

1-D_FTW

Member
It's pretty brilliant if you think about it, though. It's a two-fer. Not only do the fanboy warriors get to deny reality and say Xbox is more powerful when you factor in cloud, but now they're also gonna evangelize the benefits of always on consoles.

I have to admit I missed that the other day during the presentation. Because it seemed too incoherent and drunkard like. I just went to my happy place and blocked it out so I wouldn't rage at the stupidity of what I was hearing. But that was MS' way of getting people fired up for always on boxes. It turbo charges your shit and makes PS4 its bitch! Quite genius if the world is really as stupid as they think it is.
 

massoluk

Banned
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

I feel sorry for you. You're clearly be sarcastic and referencing SimCity, but it went way above a lot of people it seems :\
 
I dont know how computer tech, like ram, the gpu, the cpu, ect work so forgive me if this question is absurd. But is what Microsoft saying possible? The last time I heard about something like the was Onlive. Even that service didnt seemingly succeeded in pulling processing power from the cloud
 
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Wait a minute, yesterday Major Nelson declared the cloud had "infinite power" now its only down to 40x? Why did the specs lower? Why didn't any of the games look 40x better than the 360.

What is going on with the XBone?
 

hachi

Banned
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.

I generally agree with you. They may not point in the direction of games I generally like to play, but potential benefits from leveraging cloud resources are real... though that doesn't eliminate genuine skepticism over their intentions or why they're really pushing for "cloud" services.

However:

isn't that possible with the wiiu and ps?


Good point; the cloud infrastructure is a service by nature, and there's presumably nothing in the hardware of the Xbone that makes it better at using cloud processing than its competitors. They're basically selling us on (1) MS's existing server and cloud resources, which are not insubstantial - and (2) presumably a lot of work already done on the software / OS end to integrate it.

But yes... the competitors could theoretically add all that functionality into the PS4 or Wii U with software updates; it's not inherently part of the Xbone itself to leverage the cloud, as far as I can tell.
 

Eusis

Member
The Cloud vs 8 GB GDDR5
vs a 50% faster GPU and possibly faster CPU as well, and don't forget MORE of that ram's likely to be available. It's going to be a massacre.
While I think all this cloud nonsense is silly, it is kind of hard to call BS on Microsoft when services like Gaikai intend to do all of the work in the cloud.
Sony's promises with Gaikai generally make sense: stream a video of where you are in a game so friends can see and join in, trying demos as they're rendered on their servers and streaming the footage to you, and likely greatly useful for tourney spectating as a server can get the data from everyone's game and render it for everyone to watch without taking up much of their bandwidth.

This X1 stuff? It's all smoke and mirrors.
 

kaching

"GAF's biggest wanker"
Are people honestly going to be outraged by everything uttered by Microsoft? This is honestly pretty standard as far as PR rhetoric is concerned.
And everytime someone tries this kind of unsubstantiated, nonsensical rhetoric, GAF does a fair job of putting them in their place. Everyone gets put through the same gauntlet for this kind of stuff. Should they not?
 

Flo_Evans

Member
"Cloud physics"

so the X-one will win the "sparks" war?

I base all my console buying decisions on how many sparks it can render.

Wait a sec. sparks = light = lighting! Lightning comes from clouds. OMG.
 
Silly people

And I am talking about you guys

The cloud has huge benefits to games but you pretend to not believe it

City AI, reactionary AI (crowds, NPCs), weather models, economic models, non-interactive water models (ocean and wavefront), Conversational AI, persistent worlds, global illumination (via light maps), and more that i can't think of right now

All of this stuff offloads the computation off local hardware and frees it up for more important things.
If you believe that then you must believe what MS said in the OP, which is pure bullshit.
 
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