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[3rdamention]

"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."


DAT EA Partnership in full effect right there.....

 

[brandonh83]

Not buying. Glad that's settled. Same goes for PS4 if similar.

 

[Buttonbasher]

 

[Boy Wander]

Couple of things I hate (no loaning, no amazon / ebay / private sales). One thing I don't understand. Maybe someone can clear this up or at least tell me if I am reading this right:

It says that anyone of 10 people you register as 'family' can play your games anywhere. So what;s to stop 10 friends registering each other as family, buying one game each, but being able to play all 10 anytime they like? Like someone mentioned earlier, this sounds like a great game-sharing opportunity that could negate the need for second hand games for some people. Buy 1 game, get to play 10. Sounds good on paper.

 

[Unknown One]

If Sony takes the same approach, I'll delete all my hype and not buy the system. I'll put that money towards a new PC . Sure steam is similar, but at least I can get cheap games off of steam and there is mods.

I'd rather pay 5-15 dollars compared to 60-70.

 

[Rourkey]

No wait.. This whole Family thing is very cleverly worded. You can always play, and one of your family can play "at a given time," what time? Probably if you aren't playing.

So they basically turned sub-names on your XBL account into a hilariously misleading bullet point.

Maybe MS dont think it fair that families have to buy the same game multiple times simply so that they can play together,

Could be a really good selling point

 

[Graphics Horse]

Thinking the family thing are those who live at the house your XBONE is registered at.

I don't think even Kinect 2 can tell where they live...

The doc specifically says ONE family member at a time can play a game from your library anywhurr, as well as yourself.

 

[Coolwhip]

Jaffe loves it too. All publishers and developers are actually celebrating right now. Having champagne parties. MS has saved the industry.

Heh, for sure.

"We killed the second hand market"

"The new games market was just collateral damage"

 

[freenudemacusers]

And when Sony do it? Wiiu?

I'm not sure what the point of this post is.

 

[shinobi602]

But I'm pretty sure it constitutes the global PC gamers. Just look at the stats, there are usually 3-4 million players at any given time.

Ok, and yet PC gamers make up only a small slice of gamers worldwide. Acting like this is the norm for the majority is just untrue.

 

[Chamber]

The thought of being stuck with a shitty/disappointing game for 3 months and getting less value back from it... gawt dayum! This would hurt sales, not benefit them.

Yeah and shit, you can't even rent games under this system just to try a game out. They can fuck off with that one. There's no way I would buy games day 1 anymore.

 

[Patryn]

Wouldn't the 'family' setup work for friends too? Basically like a way to gameshare your entire library with 10 people.

I am willing to bet that there is not a chance in hell that you'll be able to just arbitrarily designate other people as your "family" members. MS will likely require that they have the same billing address as you, or possibly (if we're lucky) have the same last name.

I don't think even Kinect 2 can tell where they live...

The doc specifically says ONE family member at a time can play a game from your library anywhurr, as well as yourself.

Billing address tied to the credit card associated with the account, undoubtedly. Don't have a credit card associated with your account? No sharing for you.

 

[RedShift]

of course you can buy used games

I buy all my used games off random people on eBay. They all going to be 'participating retailers'?

 

[Nokterian]

24 hour check in there sticking to it? Guess sony will have more PS4 sold.

 

[trmas]

This thread will easily hit 3,000 posts in the next hour or so

 

[Raist]

wat

Well it was even worse before.

 

[Amir0x]

HOLY SHIT!

Publishers get to choose whether a game can be resold.....wow. Just wow. I mean I was never interested in a drm console anyway, but this is just a slap in the face. A slap in the face with a great big dick.

Go fuck yourselves Microsoft. I hope this consoles flops badly.

I know there is crying in some corners, but this is actually the first console in the industry's history where saying "fuck off you piece of shit console" is not actually trolling. It's simply the unvarnished truth.

 

[Mung]

I played consoles without internet through university mostly without internet... our dorm internet would not work with consoles...

Even if the 10 greatest games of all time came out on launch day, I will still never buy this standard Microsoft anti-consumer product.

 

[xaosslug]

it's fucking HILARIOUS to me the people crying 'well, PS4's gonna have this too!' like some sort of taunt, as if that's not making a horrible situation WORSE.

we should all fucking HOPE to FUCK that Sony has no such used games or DRM policy in place.

gotDAMN. -_-

 

[DieH@rd]

Everything went better than expected.

No, it absolutely did not.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Oh wow.

:/

 

[Coffee Dog]

Why are people getting so knotted up about this? It is basically Steam but with stricter online requirements (24 hour check) and the ability to actually trade your games. We've been doing this for years now, welcome to the digital age people.

You want to know why Microsoft won't have steam sales like valve does, and this won't be as good as Steam?

Because what Valve does is based on longer term profits. They take a financial hit for offering the games cheaper, and in the long term sell more copies. They can do that because they are a private company with no shareholders.

Microsoft is not a private company. They have angry and loud shareholders demanding that THEY SEE MONEY NOW. This causes microsoft to go for short term profits, ie charge fuckloads for games initially so they can get more money at that very second.

Unless you want MS to piss off their shareholders by telling them they'll be making less money for a little while, they will always make dumb fucking anti consumer decisions that try to get more money. No more, no less.

 

[Tamanon]

If these idiots will really let you game share with 10 people then they are...well...idiots.

I can see groups of 10 forming now. You can then get all new release games for $6 each.

It can't be that way, otherwise Call of Duty clans would just buy one game each year.

 

[gofreak]

Up to the publishers. Sound familiar?

We'll see what sony does, but this is a very different kind of opt-in/opt-out than was speculated about for PS4. Specifically about what opting out means...opt-out here means a game transfer of any kind won't work at all.

 

[kuppy]

I have read everything.
I hate it.

 

[Eusis]

We did it guys looks like the #nodrm was a success....what a joke of a tweet

To be fair this is probably the absolute best case scenario short of "sorry delaying one year to completely overhaul everything." At which point maybe bowing out of the race entirely would better.

 

[WilyRook]

why does this have to be so complicated?

http://youtu.be/lzzkuVJCFQI?t=1m1s

 

[ZeroEdge]

Why are people getting so knotted up about this? It is basically Steam but with stricter online requirements (24 hour check) and the ability to actually trade your games. We've been doing this for years now, welcome to the digital age people.

Because on Steam you can play offline and yes you can't loan friends the game but you also pay Fucking Less, hell I don't think I've ever paid more then $20 for a steam game. Lastly it's not a physical thing you own (Steam is all digital) when I buy a cd or DVD or BluRay or current Gen game I can do whatever the fuck I want with it as it should be.
If I buy it digitally then yeah sure put on some restrictions but it better be cheap and not require me to always check in to keep playing.

 

[schuelma]

WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING THIS?
They already fucking confirmed there's no online requirement for the system, jesus wept.

I think there is a concern that this is 3rd party driven and that a lot of these policies will be implemented in some way in PS4.

We'll see..

 

[Jacksonlee]

And when Sony do it? Wiiu?

gone.

no gaming for me.

 

[Alec]

If these idiots will really let you game share with 10 people then they are...well...idiots.

I can see groups of 10 forming now. You can then get all new release games for $6 each.

Only one person can play the game at a time, unlike Sony's GameShare.

 

[nero2082]

Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

 

[Raxus]

So it is official? Good, I'm out.

 

[Klocker]

So can publishers force this kind of stuff on Sonys console? I mean that they say that they won't release games if it doesn't offer the same or similar options

that's what it's sounding like.... I'm guessing this is wave one of the future, they may use a different system to verify than 24 hr check in but who knows..


the good news about the 24 thing is it sounds like you can connect to mobile BB so you only need a small amount of data to verify licenses... using the cloud games of course you need the recommended DL speeds

 

[Mr.Wreckless]

So i can play some of the older games in my friends library for free? Sounds like a good deal to me.

And before someone chimes in with "you could do that before with the disc". Im an adult and my friends no longer live around me. Its a lot easier to log into an account and play their games than to ship games around the country.

 

[Rising_Hei]

The 360 already does some sale events, but xbone wont?

You can't compare those sales to Steam's

 

[Zabka]

I wonder how much control MS will exert over used game prices. Gonna be interesting.

And by interesting I mean fuck this system.

 

[Tom Penny]

If these idiots will really let you game share with 10 people then they are...well...idiots.

I can see groups of 10 forming now. You can then get all new release games for $6 each.

Bingo. Cheap gaming FTW.

 

[SlowRevolution]

SAVE US SONY

The constant social media talk from Sony people has to be a good sign, right?

 

[DaBuddaDa]

I can see groups of 10 forming now. You can then get all new release games for $6 each.

...which only one of the ten could play at any given time? Why would anyone do that? Think of these like PC CD Keys...you can't connect to servers all using the same CD Key.

 

[Zombie James]

wat

What the fuck is he talking about? Who the hell is this guy?

 

[rudieboy77]

So can publishers force this kind of stuff on Sonys console? I mean that they say that they won't release games if it doesn't offer the same or similar options

Exactly.

 

[Zutroy]

so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers

This pretty much reads like they'll block the resale of the game until sales have dried up and then they'll allow it.

If that's the case, I wonder what the publishers are thinking, 2-3 months, or more like blocking Fifa 14 resale until Fifa 15 is out, hoping you'd then use that money towards the next one.

Maybe I'm just being cynical.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

What do you think participating retailers are going to do when they take a trade in then, if they don't sell it on?

Sell it at full price again? ;p

 

[Hunter Gather]

Folks, it's time you get with the times. All software except for games moved down this path many years ago. The physical "I own the software" time is over. It's only time when music stops making CD's and movies stop producing DVD's and go all 'cloud'.

Will cost come down with games in this new world? I think so. No more are the publishers stuck with agreements with retail to sell downloadable games at the same price as retail. Steam can offer sales because retail abandoned PC games. Steam just filled a hole. MS and Sony must see this and act accordingly or there will not be another generation.

 

[jett]

wat

THE VIGILANCE OF THE PRESS


oh my god what is this i don't even. what the fuck people, what the fuck.

 

[GamerSciz]

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

And im done. That's a system killer if I have ever read one. Just wow...

 

[Tashi]

Imagine buying a stove but it required an internet connection for software updates and to check if it's still registered to you. Then it would only allow you to cook certain kinds of food. If you want to use the rear burners, you have to pay a monthly fee. It also monitors who is cooking and if it's not someone in your family, they can't cook.

Would you buy it? No? Then why the hell would you buy the Xbox One?

People just want to play games. Just like you would just want to cook your fucking food. No one should want to pay good money for a device that restricts what they can do with it.

Yea but what if you think the food you can cook on it is the best food in the world and you can't cook that food anywhere else?

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

My girl just tweeted "Gee thanks xbox, so anywho my net cuts out , I have a £400 blu-ray player I can talk too. Thank you for being so understanding"

 

[Kusagari]

The 360 already does some sale events, but xbone wont?

Because 360's sales are anything in comparison to Steam's.