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Should Naughty Dog buy themselves back from Sony?

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Sort of TLoU spoiler, but no other publisher
would've green-lot the ending to The Last of Us.
So no.

Also, why would Sony sell? If ND were unhappy, management would've left and poached talent a while ago.
Yep. TLOU makes me think they are damn satisfied with their creative liberties.
 

JordanN

Banned
Sony has the most powerful console on earth right now and Naughty Dog are a cutting edge studio. Unless they want to max out PC, it's way better to let Sony back them.
 

Endo Punk

Member
I can understand the OP's reasons for wanting to be "your own man" again. The founders or whoever would probably have to come up with the funds themselves for the offer to Sony. I'm not sure how Bungie did it.

How exactly did Bungie do it? If someone can fill me in that would be awesome. I really did not see that coming nor did I ever think it would be possible.
 

kortez320

Member
I'd love for them to go third party and I imagine if it was in their best business interests and was possible they would. It would instantly open up entirely new markets on PC and Xbox for them. First party as a rule is kind of lame.

I'd imagine right now though they are happy where they are. And their situation really isn't that close to Bungie. Bungie created one of the most sucessful franchises in all of gaming. ND has not achieved what they did sales wise. An IP that is so big it will sell with or without them. An IP that literally saved a console.

It would be cool tho.
 

kswiston

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Happy sure but is Sony holding them back from an even bigger market? That's the question.

If they were independent, they would have tanked (or at least had a rocky road) after the first Uncharted. If it was multiplatform, no one would have bothered to continue pushing the game like Sony did after those horrible initial sales, and there would have been no sequels as a result.

As it is, Naughty Dog is the premiere first party developer at Sony, and has the resources to do pretty much whatever they want. I think they are happy where they are.

EDIT: Multiplatform not multiplayer
 
Honestly, I think naughty dogs style of game would only work well on Sony consoles simply as any other publisher would try and have more of a hand in what they make next.

I honestly think as a independent dev, they would be making uncharted 4 for Sony and generic shooter X for multiplatform development. A game like TLOU only comes from a carefully cultivated relationship between developer and publisher that goes beyond "your last game sold X units here is your budget for game Y"
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EA, Activision, Bathesda, SE will bend over backwards to please ND.

And you know this because? The reality is that Sony just funded a big budget IP that took 3 and a half years develop in the 6th year of a console cycle. On the other hand you constantly had third parties talking about how they needed the new consoles to launch a new IP.
 

antibolo

Banned
Insomniac's Fuse is a pretty good example of what happens when an established PlayStation-centric studio gets wild ideas about going multiplatform.
 

kasane

Member
Plus also from what we here Sony is giving them creative freedom to the whatever they want. Other publishers might just kill them. They're just too etched to Sony to buy themselves out, they helped with a ton fuck of stuff not just games also the base of ICE team is naughty dog.
 

entremet

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MS really botched the whole Bungie thing. Should've done what Sony did, have other studios work on the established properties and let Bungie do more creative work.
 

sunnz

Member
I also think Naughty Dog are the type of developers that try to make there games so good that people come to THEM ( ps3) to play it, instead of them going to the gamers in a sense.
 

Starborn

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Who will buy them back? The founders? The founders of Naughty Dog already left the videogame industry a long time ago, before Uncharted was even made.
 
Seeing as how TLOU managed to sell over 3 million in 3 weeks on just one system I think it goes to show that they have the name power that very few developers hold. They could potentially sell twice as much going multiplatform. I know Sony gives them plenty of funding and resources but just look at Bungie. Activision seem to be doing all they can to put Destiny on the map. I'm sure a major 3rd party publisher would do just as much for ND as Sony can.

I never thought it could be possible until Bungie managed to do so. Why don't we see more 1st party developers leaving exclusivity? Course only the cream of the crop will survive in such a dog eat dog environment but come on, ND? Yeah they would be huge!
Money from which would go primarily to their new publisher...

I don't see what they would gain from becoming independent. Unlike Bungie who were forced into making Halo game after Halo game, Naughty Dog have creative freedom at Sony.
 

Endo Punk

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Being exclusive allows ND to make the game perfect for one system. Sony lets them do what they want. They wouldn't get that form a 3rd party. Do you think Activision/EA/Ubisoft would ever have green list TLOU instead of U4?

With the next gen systems being similar to PC I don't think they have to worry about messing around too much on the tech side and just work on the game that will take minor tweeks to get it running on all systems.
 

KillGore

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It's amazing how ND has become the "IT" developer for Sony, kinda like what Bungie was for Microsoft. I doubt Sony will just let them go, because having first party devs is important to them. Microsoft stopped focusing on first party devs a while ago so it's not the same.
 
Seeing as how TLOU managed to sell over 3 million in 3 weeks on just one system I think it goes to show that they have the name power that very few developers hold. They could potentially sell twice as much going multiplatform. I know Sony gives them plenty of funding and resources but just look at Bungie. Activision seem to be doing all they can to put Destiny on the map. I'm sure a major 3rd party publisher would do just as much for ND as Sony can.

I never thought it could be possible until Bungie managed to do so. Why don't we see more 1st party developers leaving exclusivity? Course only the cream of the crop will survive in such a dog eat dog environment but come on, ND? Yeah they would be huge!
Just buy a Sony system to play ND games, everybody wins.
 

kswiston

Member
EA, Activision, Bathesda, SE will bend over backwards to please ND.

EA has destroyed development studios who have had equal or greater financial and critical success to Naughty Dog several times in the past. Why would this magically be different?

Activision isn't much better.
 
How exactly did Bungie do it? If someone can fill me in that would be awesome. I really did not see that coming nor did I ever think it would be possible.

I dont think it was ever revealed and I think there are contracts stopping people from telling the story but I think during the end of Halo 3 development enough people at Bungie joined together and went to MS and said ether let us go indie or we all walk right now, Bungie is dead and halo is fucked.

MS did the nice thing and let them walk if they made halo for another few years while they set up 343.


Its kind of crazy. I dont know what went down because the normal big publisher thing would be let the staff walk and deal with the fallout.
 

KorrZ

Member
I would think that for most developers, having creative freedom to make the games you want to make is much more rewarding than making more money. Sony offers them just that.
 

P44

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Seeing as how TLOU managed to sell over 3 million in 3 weeks on just one system I think it goes to show that they have the name power that very few developers hold. They could potentially sell twice as much going multiplatform. I know Sony gives them plenty of funding and resources but just look at Bungie. Activision seem to be doing all they can to put Destiny on the map. I'm sure a major 3rd party publisher would do just as much for ND as Sony can.

I never thought it could be possible until Bungie managed to do so. Why don't we see more 1st party developers leaving exclusivity? Course only the cream of the crop will survive in such a dog eat dog environment but come on, ND? Yeah they would be huge!

I think part of this success stems from the fact that they're only having to focus on one console.
 

neojubei

Will drop pants for Sony.
It's amazing how ND has become the "IT" developer for Sony, kinda like what Bungie was for Microsoft. I doubt Sony will just let them go, because having first party devs is important to them. Microsoft stopped focusing on first party devs a while ago so it's not the same.

Fortunately for Naughty Dog, Sony won't be like Microsoft and forcing them to make an uncharted game every other year. Bungie had to leave or else they will forever continue making halo games.

Plus I want to see Naughty Dog use the full power of the ps4 instead of having to make waterdown ports to each console, like ubisoft games.
 
I'll put it this way, and its conjecture obviously

If Naughty Dog went with EA or Activision, they were given creative freedom, and their first game flopped, they'd be gutted and liquidated within 2 years

If Naughty Dog's next game with Sony flops, they'll see what went wrong and move on, with a few changes to the way they're overseen, changes which would be reversed once they proved the flop was an abberation
 

Darknight

Member
I dont think OP realizes how much ND and Sony are intertwined. They are one and the same. They share DNA in everything they do. They are the perfect match.

They get the funding they need, creative freedom and support and Sony gets talented individuals willing to push the medium and make exciting new IPs/games.

Not only this but ND gets first dibs into their Sony's new tech and they share ideas and input with them as they are one of the few who push the system to its limits and manages to bring out every once of potential out of their hardware.

Im sure ND rather sell 3 mil + copies with Sony freedom and funding than have multiplatform releases with limited funding and their ideas being squandered for other people's ideas (ex: not their own, limit their scope, change the feel of the project, remove 'risk')
 
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