Yeah, its in some way Area Light, but not at the degree of KZ:SF or Crysis 3. Its mostly for specular component.
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Its not completely relative, because 570 [and i7] was outperforming PS4 in this demo.
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Capcom details the tech behind Deep Down; can't say if PS4 exclusive or not
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Yeah, its in some way Area Light, but not at the degree of KZ:SF or Crysis 3. Its mostly for specular component.
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Its not completely relative, because 570 [and i7] was outperforming PS4 in this demo.
metareferential
Member
Hey Capcom, give us the demo on the pc, thanks.
I'll gladly pay for that.
Yeah you heard it right: I'll pay you. Isn't that what you're looking for anyway?
I'll gladly pay for that.
Yeah you heard it right: I'll pay you. Isn't that what you're looking for anyway?
ethomaz
Banned
Thanks for the translations...
That part got my interest... PS4 version of the games uses more VRAM than the PC one... I will try to translate this part late.
Nothing to translate
GTX 570 does have only 1.2gb of VRAM, thats the only reason it used 1.2gb on PC.Senor Kami
Banned
I'm developing a husband's bulge thinking about Street Fighter and Marvel powered by this. It'd be like Killer Instinct but with good gameplay.
ethomaz
Banned
lol that's makes sense thxNothing to translate
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
I wish this was far enough long in development that we would have some idea of a release date. I need to preorder this and pay it off ASAP.
LukasTaves
Member
Nothing to translate
LOL, that 's a very good reason
Lee Chaolan
Member
Still hoping we get a Proper Dragon's Dogma sequel.
Epic said they want to get it back in eventually and this is only using it for the dragon fire since using it for everything was too taxing. If a lot of teams start looking into it we may eventually get it a few years into the gen from some of the heavy hitter tech studios.
Nothing about that demo screams 10 - 20 mil polys per frame, even counting redraw. With that much emphasis on DLOD, that figure seems seriously bloated, and there's 'very little' details to show for it on screen. By comparison, the Dark Sorcerer demo was said to be around 1 million polygons for the entire set, and 'just under' 1 million per characters. That's a far cry from 20 mil per frame, but it has more 'detail' to show for it, and looks just as good, if not better than Deep Down.
Deep down is powered by some impressive tech, but those numbers sound a bit fishy to me. 10 - 20 mil polys per frame sounds like scenes used for the purpose of grabbing normals. Not saying it's entirely impossible, but certainly a waste if true, especially in light of other demos and high-end games.
Deep down is powered by some impressive tech, but those numbers sound a bit fishy to me. 10 - 20 mil polys per frame sounds like scenes used for the purpose of grabbing normals. Not saying it's entirely impossible, but certainly a waste if true, especially in light of other demos and high-end games.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Oh man. I'll take any new Deep Down info! ... Even this sorts of jibber-jabber I don't understand.
Now gimme videos/screens/gifs and release date!!
Now gimme videos/screens/gifs and release date!!
There is some real technically challenged folks on this site. *facepalm gif*
thebigmanjosh
Member
From the article: "First, the total number of polygon rendering one frame per 20 million from 10 million. It is 10 times the PS3 generation. Values, including such non-visible polygons, such as the shadow map generation that is used when such shadows generated, this value but the value of the image of the total geometry load on the GPU to one per frame, so to speak."
DracoBlade
Member
Agreed.
Also I'm guessing the denotation on the final image about "fire fluidity" is the reason why the dragon's fire looks significantly worse than in the demo trailer? Lacking much realistic particle flow, or am i just seeing things?
jordan0386
Member
I would prefer it be exclusive. But thats not how the market works anymore.
Bluekaveli
Member
Exactly which is why I pre ordered it for all 3 platforms available, PS4ita and PC
Dictator93
Member
Why would you want it to be exclusive?
LukasTaves
Member
A mini correction on that one, their proposed solution is not for static geometry only. The deal is that maintaining the Voxel tree is too costly, but it's very efficient to store sparse geometry, so they can can use more voxels to represent the scene.
If they use voxels as aa 3d texture they don't get the memory savings, so their solution was to use much less voxels (which means less lighting precision) for the scene, with varying sizes depending on closeness to the camera. One possible way around this issue is to use the PRT capabilities of the hardware to tile the immense 3d texture into something that can fit the memory.
(On build Ms showed a tiled resources demo where the shadow buffer was also tiled to only 16Mb, but I have no idea how things are handled for stuff generated in real time, for instance if they just discard the unused parts of the texture)
To make his console of choice look more appealing lol
jordan0386
Member
Not appealing for me, but gaming overall.
Comes across that developers dont trust their games to sell systems. But want all the benefits of a decent install base.
I like exclusives. They don't have to worry about appealing to the lowest common denominator and can exploit a system's strength.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
Sweet, those are my exact specs. Come into to my PC, Capcom.
I did say; "even counting redraw". Still bloated.
For the record, not to put you on the spot since you're just quoting from the article, but it needs to be asked, due to that 10X PS3 gen statement...
What PS3 game out there boasts up to 2 million polys per frame(supposedly a tenth of what DD is doing, and generally matching the geometry throughput in Dark Sorcerer demo)? I'd imagine such games are extremely rare, if they even exist.
Redraw or not, those numbers seem off, and seemingly wasteful if true. That's all I'm saying. I'm surprised no one else had a similar reaction. Anyway, that'll be my last word on the matter.
qa_engineer
Member
I've been on #teamreal since day 1. Can we go back through the other deep down threads and shame anyone who thought it wasn't? Can we also call out the fanboys who claimed it wasn't real because it may or may not have been exclusive. Thanks,
...you don't think QD would make games without Sony? Their games are multi-million sellers.
LukasTaves
Member
Lost Planet draws lots of polys per second (at the range of 2-4 million if I remember correctly)
Think of a 500k poly scene in the game... They have to render it:
- Once for every light.
- Once for every geometry that casts shadow for every light that makes them cast shadows.
- Once more for their motion blur implementation.
That alone makes a 500kish scene to be about 1.5million rendered polygons per frame.
10-20m is before culling. Tech demo do not push that much and thats with tessellation of course.
velociraptor
Junior Member
The 7850 is as good as a GTX570.
Stealthcobra
Member
until dead rising 3 directors cut is released...then it will be published by who ever. when it releases for ps4.
dragonbane
Member
It certainly would be harder to maintain creative control, but I agree. After Heavy Rain probably every major publisher would try their luck at least once, EA greenlit Fuse after all. Their games are also quite cheap to make and they always finish on time and on budget, so sales expectations don't go through the roof. I think they probably prefer Sony, because they know they keep creative control and all. But I see no reason why Microsoft for example would say no to them if QD approached them, since HR was a good deal more successful than Alan Wake and every game made by Insomniac since Resistance probably, which didn't stop MS working with them.
Not really related but Monsters University used 20GB of image data per second. This game which many questioned about whether it was real time, used at peak 2GB/s, or that's the engines maximum or whatever. Just goes to show, how far we are from Pixar quality games. At least a generation or 2 away.
dragonbane
Member
So 4m polys max for the Sorcerer tech demo sounds believable right? Because some people even questioned that number lol
Doubtful, Windows eats up a good chunk of RAM on PCs, just like the console OS.
And PS4's GPU is better than a 7850.
At same settings?
velociraptor
Junior Member
Where?
Devilgunman
Member
Neither. Listen to Kaz.
Dat f** Kaz
That's brilliant.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Wanna hear a crazy theorie?
Deep Down is a Demons Souls/ Dragons Dogma crossover!
Evidence:
DemonsSouls HUD
Deep Down HUD
Connect the dots people!
Deep Down is a Demons Souls/ Dragons Dogma crossover!
Evidence:
DemonsSouls HUD
Deep Down HUD
Connect the dots people!
It's either timed exclusive or Sony and Capcom are still negotiating. We'll see what happens.
Wanna hear a crazy theorie?
Deep Down is a Demons Souls/ Dragons Dogma crossover!
Evidence:
DemonsSouls HUD
Deep Down HUD
Connect the dots people!
Dragons Dogma and Dark Souls seem like they would be a good combination. Heck, I haven't played them both, but it seems strange they're regarded so differently. I suppose Dragons Dogma stands between Dark Souls and Monster Hunter.
Perhaps even a PS4 exclusive Demon Souls 2? Sony owns that IP, I think.
LukasTaves
Member
A souls game made by capcom would certainly be interesting...Wanna hear a crazy theorie?
Deep Down is a Demons Souls/ Dragons Dogma crossover!
Evidence:
DemonsSouls HUD
Deep Down HUD
Connect the dots people!
The glimpse of gameplay the trailer shows seems much more in tone to Dragon Dogma than Demon Souls, though.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
So what about the 3 xbox only Dead Rising games Capcom published? Port begging first party games is getting really annoying. Happens with Bayonetta 2 and now Dead Rising.